Created: 10/21/2014 10:20:37 PMReplies: 22
10/21/2014 10:20:37 PM - FredD - 519 posts (#43)
There is an article on McKillop and Davidson over on the ESPN website. Largely paint by numbers except that it points out the advantages for a coach who stays committed to a school that is the right fit. As has been repeated by many here, better to be a king at Davidson (or GW) than chum at DePaul or Seton Hall.
I think Davidson is a really good fit academically and geographgically and if all the happy talk in the piece is emblematic of the buyin and commitment McKillop gets then they will be just as hard to play against as I thought they'd be.
10/22/2014 10:26:07 AM - The MV - 4,445 posts (#4)
Great article. That's a coach who automatically commands your respect. I actually saw a lot of similarities between ML's situation and McKillop's situation. ML is now raising his family in the area that he grew up in and more importantly, where he and his wife want to be. There is a lot to be said for being happy where you are and with what you have. Georgetown and Maryland will always be in the picture due to where they are located (along with the $ they can offer), but I really don't foresee a situation where ML relocates outside of the DC area at least until most of his children are out of the house. Stranger things have happened but my strong sense is that he will be the head coach of GW (or Georgetown or Maryland) for at least the next ten years.
10/22/2014 11:31:18 AM - NJ Colonial - 1,702 posts (#18)
ML will stay at GW. Let's stop this insecure speculation.
10/22/2014 12:11:25 PM - Columbia Heights Colonial - 284 posts (#80)
Here's my counter argument NJ Colonial.
ML will not stay at GW.
No way to ever know. Speculation will always be speculation, unless the facts change. Best to just ignore it.
10/22/2014 2:22:59 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,300 posts (#13)
The fact is that at some point ML will leave GW, but in who's lifetime I cannot predict.
10/22/2014 2:36:57 PM - BM - 4,985 posts (#3)
IMO Davidson and Bonnaventure outperformance and UMass underperformance will be the surprises in the A-10 this year. If you put a gun to my head (or just asked me nicely), I'd guess GW will also underperform the #2 ranking.
10/22/2014 3:25:20 PM - The MV - 4,445 posts (#4)
NJ, sure it's speculation but it's not being delivered as insecure. ML has already coached at Maryland and if one day he was chosen to be the head coach there, given everything about that job, there's just no way I could see him passing it up. Georgetown is less of a slam dunk though many but not all of the reasons why he would leave GW for Maryland apply here as well. All I've done here is provide what I feel is a realistic possibility. He could become the next head coach at Syracuse one day but I don't think he would do it. He may never get offers to coach Maryland or Georgetown. Lots of possibilities regarding his future. Pointing out those that don't bode well for GW doesn't translate into being insecure, just realistic.
10/22/2014 10:48:56 PM - Tim4 - 760 posts (#34)
Agree with BM on Bonnie's. Disagree on Davidson. Think there will be a GMUesque learning curve.
would take Dayton rather than umass as my underperformer
10/23/2014 7:41:19 PM - NJ Colonial - 1,702 posts (#18)
By insecure I am referring to the tired old, outdated notion that a coach in the DMV would leave GW for GU or MD. I'm sick of it - GW is right now the top hoops team in the nation's capital and from conversations I've had with ML and Nero - and Knapp, I think this is likely to continue.
And yes, I am still enjoying the view through my Buff & Blue colored glasses!
10/24/2014 7:19:39 AM - pops - 348 posts (#66)
10/24/2014 9:06:04 AM - alum1 - 679 posts (#36)
Agree with MV. Realiy is reality. The guy has a relatively large family, no special affinity to GW, is a Maryland native, and (like many of us) a healthy ego. So don't understand why anyone would think he's automatically tucked in at GW for life. I don't see GU...not from ML's angle, but from GU's angle. They'd probably rather tear down the school than tale a coach from GW.
As for MD, its an inevitable lure, in my humble opinion. They can pay an awful lot of money and he has a natural connection there on a couple of fronts. I do think the Big 10 is a net negative for MD vs what the ACC would have been, so that's something that's reasonably good for GW, I think all things being equal. Same for Georgetown...the Big East ain't what it used to be. So it all comes down to ND's money and his connection to the school. Other factors will wiegh in also -- How long does Nero stay, and if he leaves, who replaces him? Are facilities going to be good enough to be competitive longer term? Does fan support build to something that's sustainable, along with fundraising? And many others, obviously. I thik he's safe through next year becasue he knows next year is his "ticket," so to speak,
Staying in the area is a resonably good conculsion. But to suggest he ain't ever leaving GW is no sure bet. Here's to Coach Turgeon to have a decent year!
10/24/2014 1:12:29 PM - Monument - 555 posts (#42)
"GW is right now the top hoops team in the nation's capital and from conversations I've had with ML and Nero - and Knapp, I think this is likely to continue." Certainly have four unbiased opinions in that bunch.
JT III is not going anywhere any time soon so I do not understand why there is any talk of a Hoya vacancy. IMHO, ML would take a good hard look at a UMD offer. GWU could not match the $s or the Power Conference, but college sports aint what they used to be, so who knows?
10/24/2014 1:49:07 PM - ziik - 2,575 posts (#10)
My brother went to UMd, and its law school, my sister-in-law went to UMd and its med school. I used to visit for parties (60's, 70's) That was in the pre-sofa burning era. Instead, the football team would show up, and toss rolls of tp into the toilet, flush, and run. There always was a lot of smoke, and occasionally a trans. girl group, usually the Supremes, who were very, very good. Plus, if you were so inclined, you could dance with Diana Ross.
I hope the U is mor esophisticated now, but, my guess parties like those still flourish. And, What sort of school is UMd? football, basketball? Heck, I recall it was a track school, because it wasn't all that good at anything else. I think it will revert to being a football school, and, basketball is gonna take a back seat. And, where do you recruit? What style will work in the not-so-big, but oversized 10?
I actually think GU is a bigger threat to take ML from GW, esp. if they beef up their facilities. But, it seems to thrive on inbred coaching selections, and I see something like that continuing. ML can be as Catholic as the Pope, but he may not be GU Catholic.
I dearly hope we keep him. Given the international flavor and the local transfer factor, GW is poised for a Gonzaga-like run, and ML can be king of the hill, like Mark Few, for the next--as long as he likes.
We will know more if we bring in Yuta's brother, a Dane, an Argentine, or an Aussie. Maybe there are a couple of Belo's or big Lithuanians who yearn to be freer. GW can be the school of opportunity for a slew of guys who decide after a year in Kansas or Oklahoma,, Vermont or FLorida, that they just want more.
10/24/2014 1:56:47 PM - bobo - 2,964 posts (#8)
Who knows if Lonergan would even be offered the UMD job IF their coach gets fired in the next couple of years and IF Lonergan is interested in going there.
UMD's last coaches came from the Big 12 and Big 10. They see themselves as a basketball powerhouse. Likely they would want to go after a coach from a lower tier BCS program that is showing progress and going to multiple NCAAs like they did getting Williams from Ohio State and Turgeon from T A&M.
10/24/2014 2:06:59 PM - NJ Colonial - 1,702 posts (#18)
Monument: I am proudly and consistantly biased. Raise High!
10/24/2014 3:00:32 PM - Poog - 3,674 posts (#5)
While they're not GW "natives, Steve Broadus and Kevin Sutton were both assistants at GW before heading to Hoya land. Only fan bases believe that coaches or institutions have some loyalty bias that prevents them from selecting the best candidate/situation for themselves. We spent years on message boards bemoaning what Mike Jarvis was going to do once he had his hat in the public ring for other head coaching jobs. Lonergan has given GW everything it could have asked for and then some. I wish Mike and his family nothing but the best and hope that it happens at GW. But there's way too much to anticipate about the coming season for both the men's and women's basketball teams to manufacture worries about Lonergan's future employment (though admittedly I do worry in the back of my mind that Muffet will retire at Notre Dame and Coach Tsipis would be a viable candidate to replace her).
10/24/2014 4:21:06 PM - The MV - 4,445 posts (#4)
Allow me to reiterate what the actual point of my bringing this up was in the first place....it was to suggest that I don't think that ML would leave GW/the DC area for any out-of-market opportunity for at least another 10+ years. The only programs worthy of being concerned about, not insecure, not paranoid, but concerned (and not even immediately concerned), are UMD and Gtown because they are not only prominent but also local. From my perspective, there is no talk of an imminent Gtown vacancy or UMD vacancy. Or, whether ML would be offered if there were (though I do think that MD would try to land him.).
10/24/2014 4:56:13 PM - GW Alum Abroad - 2,300 posts (#13)
So is this the point where the thread turns in to a discussion of who could/should be ML's replacement at GW?
10/24/2014 5:18:45 PM - alum1 - 679 posts (#36)
GWAA: that's easy -- Mrs. Lonergan.
10/24/2014 5:39:24 PM - herve - 8,587 posts (#1)
JJ Brade! DUH! He's THE ANSWER for everything!
10/24/2014 8:27:34 PM - ziik - 2,575 posts (#10)
I say we welcome McKillop to the Smith with white/gray hair wigs.
10/24/2014 10:50:31 PM - thinker - 2,620 posts (#9)
More than anything the thing that keeps ML at GW is that JTIII and Turgeon aren't going anywhere. Turgeon is starting year 4 of an 8 year deal at about $1.9 million per. Maryland athletics is basically broke - that's why they moved to the Big 10 and they just don't seem likely to pay out that kind of money. Obviously Turgeon has had a lot of roster turmoil but has a great recruiting class starting this year and seems to be mentioned as in the mix for a lot of top recruits. Turgeon really is going to get at least 3 more years unless some unexpected disaster hits. If he can't get competetive in the Big 10 after 3 years it would still cost $4 million to fire him. Kevin Plank could pony up that money but is he going to want to pony up to fire him AND the football coach which seems inevitable?
Now if GW really takes another major step forward into Sweet 16 and Elite 8 kind of territory, then GW will have to pony up with salaries and facilites upgrades or ML will get some type of offer that will simply be impossible to refuse. He's definitely young enough with a very young family that he would really have to consider it if someplace offered to triple or quadruple his salary. If that's going to happen it's most likely to happen after the 2015-16 season which lines up to have an amazingly stacked roster.
I would also guess that Nero and the administration have already pondered a few what if scenarios. Giving ML the extension after last season showed that the school would be proactive and aggressive in trying to keep ML. But at some price GW simply won't be able to afford him.
10/24/2014 10:56:33 PM - bobo - 2,964 posts (#8)
Replacement for Lonergan?
Can Joe Dooley make his triumphant return to Foggy Bottom?