If I Didn't Know Better.......
Created: 12/5/2013 5:32:17 PMReplies: 35
12/5/2013 5:32:17 PM - The MV - 3,920 posts (#4)
Years ago, the Washington Bullets were closing out a dismal season against a team that was locked into their playoff seeding (seeding would not change, win or lose). The playoff team rested 4 of their 5 starters and the Bullets went on to win a very lackluster game. I watched that game with a friend of mine who happened to be professional sportscaster (he or she shall remain nameless). The sportscaster asked me what I thought was the storyline of the game. I mentioned that the game meant nothing to the playoff team and the Bullets took advantage of 4 starters missing the game. Wrong, I was vehemently told. The story of the game was gambling. The playoff team took a dive. I asked how this could be proven and was told that it couldn't be (unless someone slipped). But that it happens far more than most fans think. And to be certain, there have been some well-documented slips.....CCNY, Hot Rod Williams, Tim Donaghy, Rick Fox putting the screws to Nathan on One Tree Hill (and if you got that reference, you're as sick as I am), to name a few.
Now before I go any further, let me point out what I'm NOT doing. I am not accusing any GW player, coach, administrator, or even a referee of "being on the take" last night. Not pointing any fingers or naming any names. What I am about to say is that last night's game was the type of game that a team who is manipulating a point spread goes out and plays. Here is the "evidence":
1) GW was a 10-11 point favorite. Clearly considered the better team. Yet at the same time, a spread that allows for a fairly large cushion to win but not cover. By contrast, a 4 point favorite would have much more difficulty winning but not covering.
2) Rutgers began the game on fire but to be fair, how many of these shots were even remotely contested early on? This allowed Rutgers to build an early 7-8 point lead. GW then began to work harder on defense but by then, a Rutgers cover was well under way. Certainly not impossible but the odds are against you covering a double digit spread with a 2 point halftime lead. Take away the 3's and Rutgers shot 56.5% from the field in the first half.
3) Free throws are often looked at when scrutinizing this sort of thing but erroneously so. Games that get fixed normally do not get fixed there because it's too obvious a place to look. GW missed 10 FT's but still shot a decent percentage. Nothing to see here.
4) Here's a big one...GW outrebounded Rutgers 35-29 but at one point, were outrebounding Rutgers 29-12. That means that down the stretch, when RU was crawling its way towards a cover, they outrebounded GW 17-6 down the stretch. Clearly, the team was feeling fatigued from the California trip.
5) In the game's last minute, Rutgers scored two on a quick pass down low where no GW player was even attempting to defend. By my estimate, that gave Rutgers about 8-10 points on the night when someone drove the lane untouched or other instances where GW just wasn't playing any defense whatsoever.
So again to be clear, I am not accusing the team of any nefarious activity. But, if the team was to be involved in any nefarious activity, last night's game had that look to it. Just saying!
12/5/2013 5:44:53 PM - Steven - 81 posts (#144)
Did you fall on your head when you were younger?
12/5/2013 5:45:40 PM - BC - 882 posts (#28)
MV, I hope you're just drunk. Otherwise, I know the names of a few shrinks.
12/5/2013 5:48:26 PM - Free Quebec - 4,999 posts (#2)
what is wrong with you, MV?
12/5/2013 5:51:05 PM - the sons of liberty - 211 posts (#77)
12/5/2013 5:52:57 PM - Omar Comin' - 165 posts (#89)
First of all, MV, what you're suggesting is abhorrent. As someone who likes to cast himself in the role of the person who "gets it" and whose rhetoric implies that we are idiot peons masquerading as fans who are all lucky to post on the same board as you, it's incredible that you would then turn around and suggest such a thing.
Second, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this team isn't that clever. The staff isn't, the team isn't. And, if nefarious activities were actually going on at any level of the GW men's basketball program, I can assure you that it wouldn't be such a painful slog to the top half of the Atlantic 10.
12/5/2013 5:56:08 PM - CT Colonial - 97 posts (#130)
this might just be worse than that racist post in the "Bull withdraws" thread.
12/5/2013 5:58:31 PM - Mike K - 758 posts (#32)
I had to read it twice, I can't believe this thread. MV, go away. Thanks for the sportscaster reference, we are all very impressed.
12/5/2013 5:59:28 PM - newtman - 1,126 posts (#25)
the doctor will be with you shortly.
12/5/2013 6:00:34 PM - Tim4 - 608 posts (#34)
Your dedication to trolling a few hundred GW basketball fans over the better part of a decade would be kind of impressive if it wasn't so deranged.
12/5/2013 6:03:45 PM - herve - 7,493 posts (#1)
duck or the black helicopters will hit you. in addition I have read that silent radio controls people's brains
12/5/2013 6:06:18 PM - G-Dubber - 88 posts (#137)
wow. When first found this board, thought MV was well respected here. Why cant you just be happy like the rest of us with our strong start?
12/5/2013 6:06:39 PM - Tennessee Colonial - 866 posts (#30)
I like the NY Times article about giving alcoholics beer for clean up service. They definitely are on the take. Very spiritual fellows.
12/5/2013 6:51:18 PM - Orel Miraculous - 162 posts (#91)
12/5/2013 7:26:40 PM - NJ Colonial - 1,322 posts (#20)
12/5/2013 7:36:37 PM - Mentzinger - 3,090 posts (#7)
I actually like The MV and his predecessor, Mailvan. Obviously he bit off too large a sum in this case.
12/5/2013 7:39:21 PM - Poog - 3,332 posts (#5)
Another one of your off the wall crazy musings, MV. Only thing of moderate usefulness was your reference to the horrible dilemma Nathan Scott put himself into when his gambling habit got out of hand. Probably the only good thing Dan Scott did as a father was that fatal coup de grace on the Alan Fox character. Of course, that whole cheating fiasco ended up with Nathan playing for and starring with the Terps which meant they probably beat GW in the BB&T during his tenure there. Still, he ended up with Haley while his brother finally decided on Peyton who then must have left him to become a fancy art insurer who snagged Neil Caffrey for awhile (like the way Coach Taylor's wife ditched him for the C&W life in Nashville and that confused guitar man Deacon). But really, you should just totally be ashamed of yourself and this thread that you created.
12/5/2013 7:44:40 PM - Poog - 3,332 posts (#5)
Oops - Rick Fox. Coach Whitey was never the same after that
12/5/2013 9:01:53 PM - Bo Knows - 70 posts (#153)
So MV how much did you lose last night? Nothing is more bitter than a guy who bet large and lost. I hope that explains your flat out ridiculous and offensive post.
12/5/2013 9:03:43 PM - Nemanjamental - 133 posts (#105)
This is just gold. Original post and comments. Amazing.
12/5/2013 10:32:35 PM - CBO - 334 posts (#59)
All I have to say is really MV? Even for you this represents a new low which is a tough record to beat. Didn't anyone ever teach you that "it is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." MV's post almost certain to be on Sunday's ESPN "C'mon Man" segment.
12/5/2013 10:33:32 PM - ziik - 2,170 posts (#12)
You may want to claim Blue Seats is posting under your name again, MV. We'd never know now, like we never knew back then. Otherwise, I look forward to your usual, "I was just joking.... can't you guys get it?" routine.
12/5/2013 10:41:47 PM - CBO - 334 posts (#59)
Haha ziik MV once said he could prove he wasn't Blue Seats so that's not gonna cut it this time. No way Blue Seats would ever utter such an offensive thing about the team, school etc. and the real Blue Seats (assuming I have him identified correctly) is very anti-gambling on college games based on a discussion I once had with him. If he saw this I am betting he would drill MV a new one for that post. Maybe he already has above under a new pseudonym.
12/5/2013 10:50:56 PM - bobo - 2,597 posts (#8)
12/5/2013 11:34:45 PM - Orel Miraculous - 162 posts (#91)
I love how he takes a dump and then just disappears.
12/6/2013 12:21:32 AM - 126.96.36.199
26 replies in 6 hours?
Best comment award goes to Steven
12/6/2013 7:51:14 AM - Mike K - 758 posts (#32)
Still waiting for LFO, who recently posted in another thread after a long absence, to give us the 100% Agreement Bullshit.
12/6/2013 7:51:22 AM - Long Suffering Fan - 3,250 posts (#6)
Or maybe the difference in the outcome was Garino not playing. Still good enough for us to win, but not by 11 points. In fact, I thing I got it pretty correct in my pre game prediction, stating that the line was too high, that it would be close and GW would pull away in the second half, but not by enough to win. And I didn't even have to pay off any players, (although I did make a contribution directly to the coach. (You may have crossed the line here, MV).
12/6/2013 9:44:14 AM - The MV - 3,920 posts (#4)
Holy Shitstorm Batman.
First, I'll get the frivolous stuff out of the way. Poog, you are absolutely the man. Not only does Poog successfully pick up on the OTH reference, but he seamlessly segues right into a White Collar reference (the most underated show on television), and caps it off with the "guilty pleasure" Nashville plug. Very well done Poog.
Now, onto my reaction to most of your reactions. I thought I was clear (and apologize if I wasn't) in stating that I was not accusing anyone within the GW community of point shaving. Do I think for even a second that any point shaving was taking place? Absolutely not. My sole point was to illustrate that the game had the "look and feel" of a game where point shaving could be taking place. This is not the same thing as saying that point shaving was taking place. (Kind of like OJ saying that he wasn't the killer but if he wanted to be the killer, here's how he'd have done it. And yes, I realize that's about the worst possible comparison imaginable.)
Sorry to disappoint Ziik but I'm not going to say I was joking because that's not what I was doing. However, I certainly wasn't being serious either. The post was truly intended to be harmless and in the overall scheme of things, a bit of a "throwaway". I was hoping to spark humor, not anger. LSF put forth a good line. The obvious joke came from Bo Knows ("so, how much did you lose"...that's the correct punch line) though that was followed by a hostile statement. My favorite reply came from G-Dubber..."why can't I just be happy by the team's strong start like the rest of us"? G-Dubber..you don't know who I am. How on earth would you think I'm not ecstatic over the team's start? Because of this silly post? Really?
So guys (and gals if you're out there), please believe me when I say that there was zero intent on my part to offend anybody with this post. Nevertheless, when enough people indicate that you've crossed a line, chances are good that you have. That said, I do apologize to anyone who was outraged, and will try to be more careful not to cross the line in the future.
12/6/2013 9:51:36 AM - Igor... Not yegor - 127 posts (#109)
I wish i could cause humor without joking. oh yeah... one other thought, OJ was the killer!!!
12/6/2013 11:15:59 AM - Alumnus - 1,964 posts (#15)
MV, I was at the game as well and it looked to me like a typical college basketball game. Ups and downs, lapses in concentration, shifts in collective adrenaline levels, probable confusion about defensive roles leading to undefended opponents, crazy streaks of good and bad free throw shooting. If that isn't college basketball to a T, I don't know what is.
My biggest concern about a post like yours is the ability of anyone with a computer to cut and paste sections of it. Unfortunately in my work life I'm extremely familiar with things I've said or written being taken out of context and republished. I think that's something that should be kept in mind.
12/6/2013 11:23:14 AM - Thomas - 471 posts (#41)
To add onto what LSF wrote, the game was close until the final minutes. I don't think GW took a double-digit lead until there were 2 or 3 minutes left. You could make a point-shaving argument if GW was blowing out Rutgers for most of the 2nd half and then Rutgers made a late charge to make the final margin of victory 6 points. This was a close, hard-fought game that GW was able to pull out at the end. Also, the team that is losing and has no chance of winning will always make a hard charge at the end to make the score somewhat respectable, while the winning team is taking it easy. That is part of the agony of betting on a team that is a double-digit favorite in football or basketball!!! I believe that happened in the Washington State-Oregon game earlier this year in which Oregon was favored by about 28 and had a huge lead in the 4th quarter, Oregon took the starters out and Washington State kept scoring TD's and got the backdoor cover.
12/6/2013 11:40:32 AM - Monument - 512 posts (#38)
Now before I go any further, let me point out what I'm NOT doing. I am not pointing fingers at anyone. What I am about to say is that yesterday's post was the type of post that a poster who is crying for help goes out and generates.
So again to be clear, I am not accusing any poster of needing counseling, but, if a poster was to need counseling, yesterday's post had that look to it. Just saying!
12/6/2013 12:04:01 PM - JTB
Anyone want to talk about how we're going to beat Maryland on Sunday? That's what I'd like to talk about.
12/6/2013 12:04:34 PM - bobo - 2,597 posts (#8)
12/6/2013 12:25:35 PM - yawle - 145 posts (#98)
rutgers lossed a couple of early games to name opps by 11 or 12 pts
gw gains respect with name wins over miami and creighton anchored by good defense
rutgers loses last game to fdu without kadeem jack and has only 8 players avail
rutgers has 8 days off to prepare for gw
rutgers shoots lights out and makes contested shots plays good game
gw goes up by a good amount but a couple of late 3s and loss of joe mac in final minutes secures win but not cover
make more sense than MV's conspiracy theory.