seneca4/22/2010 2:09:00 PM
Chris Fitzgerald 6-8 forward from Northfield Mount Hermon is allegedly visiting this weekend according to a souce at NMH.
BLACKBERRY4/17/2010 6:23:00 PM
Uggh this better be a preferred walk on situation Blowing a scholly on this kid would be a terrible choice for multiple reasons
gw7954/17/2010 7:11:00 PM
Seems like his stock has soared this past year:
bobo4/17/2010 7:41:00 PM
Maybe we can get the students to shout greetings to Mr Fitzgerald in Serbian as he seems to be a lesser version of recently signed Nemanja Mikic.
BLACKBERRY4/17/2010 9:49:00 PM
Not a a10 player This is that white tecs guard all over again
Mike K4/18/2010 9:22:00 AM
UUUUGGGGHHHHH, "Fitzgerald has another visit set up net weekend as he is scheduled to visit Quinnipiac's campus. A third visit to Hofstra is epected to be set up very shortly afterwards".
This is who we are going after?
gw7954/18/2010 11:39:00 AM
From Cornell Blog: http://cornellbasketball.blogspot.com/2010/04/recruiting-news-harvard-adds-2010.html
In addition to the lack of scholarships, one of the difficulties all Ivy League schools such as Cornell face in recruiting is stringent admissions standards. Chris Fitzgerald (Northfield Mount Hermon School) Northfield, MA 6-8 has widened his recruitment and will visit George Washington and Quinnipiac after previously applying for admission to Cornell. Fitzgerald previously indicated Cornell was his leader. Fitzgerald is a very skilled power forward who will play outside the Ivy League.
I'm rooting for QU to throw a parade for him so he goes there.
dclost4/18/2010 11:53:00 AM
How about well all calm down and remember that Lasan Kromah was recruited by basketball powerhouses UMBC and Jacksonville.
gw7954/18/2010 12:33:00 PM
Lasan had athleticism, this guy clearly does not. This is Fitzgerald's ESPN Insider recruiting profile (Rated a 75):
September, 2009: Fitzgerald is a catch and shoot face-up four-man who thrives trailing the break or in pick and pop situations. He doesn't create his own shot from the perimeter, but has a nice jump hook on the block that he should utilize more to diversify his attack. Defensively, he lacks the lateral quickness to defend the perimeter and is especially vulnerable when forced to close out, but is physical and strong enough to defend the low post adequately.
Sounds like an unathletic catch and shoot player, and those type of players usually do not thrive in the A10.
bobo4/18/2010 1:43:00 PM
How is Fitzgerald just a lesser version of the already signed Nemanja Mikic?
Scouts Grade 86
January, 2010: Mikic is your typical European combo-forward that has size and is skilled on the perimeter; he is an ecellent shooter when he has a chance to get his feet set. He is difficult to guard in pick and pop situations with his ability to stretch the defense and he is effective at shot faking and dribbling into a pull up jumper off of one or two dribbles. He is a decent athlete that is fundamentally sound on defense and understands how to give space to quicker players on the perimeter and still contest the shot. He should get some high level recruitment in the late signing period, but is probably best suited a face-up 4-man for a mid-major that plays with four on the perimeter.
Native of Serbia...Committed to George Washington in March 2010...
LA Fan4/18/2010 1:55:00 PM
It's too early to say anything because the signing period is not over, but why don't higher rated guys want to come play at GW anymore? Omar was a top 100 recruit, so was Regis. Where are these guys? So we had a bad couple of seasons. GW still plays in the A-10 against Temple and avier. Why do we go after guys who are looking at Quinnipiac and Hofstra? Come on.
thinker4/18/2010 5:01:00 PM
I think that it's entirely premature to be judging the quality of recruits that may not even come to GW. We should presume that, although clearly not perfect, the coaching staff does have access to much more information than we do from the internet. All of the rating services tend to focus much more attention on higher profile recruits and their assessments of mid-major recruits are generally based on having seen them play at one Summer tournament. Players that don't play on active AAU teams or are not the most assertive player on really good teams don't get much attention. Some guys are late bloomers. Some guys simply fall through the cracks. After seeing Kromah for a year, it's pretty hard to imagine why there weren't a ton of majors interested in him. Better for us.
And, no matter what, some players work out better than others. Some are great athletes but are knuckleheads or bad for team chemistry. So presumably the opposite could be true as well, some could be average athletes but smart players who add a lot to the team. Everybody is all pissie that we're recruiting a guy that Cornell is interested in? I'm pretty sure most on this board would trade Cornell's 2009-10 season for ours. You don't think Fitzgerald looks like a player? Gordon Hayward by-the-way - a guy who people see as a possible 1st round pick in the NBA got a 40 rating from ESPN - i.e. not even rated. Here's his Scout profile:
Not too impressive. So everybody should rela a bit and see who we sign and don't sign and then start fretting.
bobo4/18/2010 5:55:00 PM
All of that may be true, Thinker. But how is Fitzgerald not the same player as the already signed Mikic? How many slow, white, thin jump shooting PFs does GW need? When has any similar player had success under Hobbs at GW?
thinker4/18/2010 6:23:00 PM
Seriously bobo. How many slow white players do we need? What does race have to do with ANYTHING? And where in the ESPN rating that YOU posted does it say that Mikic is slow? Or where does it say that Fitzgerald is slow? I have found it is a big mistake in life to make an overly broad conclusion from an overly narrow eperience. Quite true that Matt Allbrittain was not a legit DI player. So? We should never recruit a white kid who shoots well again? Katuka is black and slow and not particularly athletic. Jabari is black and athletic. We should be getting players that fit the team.
And how many good shooters do we need? We should get as many as we can. There are a lot of ways the team last year could have won more close games - one of the biggest ways would have been to have more good shooters. Really only Lasan and Damian were good shooters who took a fair number of shots. TT is supposedly a good shooter but took very few outside shots. One of the biggest weaknesses of the team was poor outside shooting, particularly in crunch time when there were a bunch of games where we simply couldn't score and nobody could hit a shot.
And when have "those kind of players" ever succeeded under Hobbs? When has Hobbs had players like Mikic? Never, as far as I can tell - but that presupposes we know how he or any other player will develop and play. I can't say anything about Fitzgerald since I have never heard of him nor seen him play in person or on film.
Your post borders on if not crosses the line of being racist. And you have never seemed to be a racist so I will assume that you simply worded your post carelessly.
BLACKBERRY4/18/2010 6:41:00 PM
It wasn t racist stop being such a vag
Long Suffering Fan4/18/2010 6:57:00 PM
By my count, Kireev and Albritton are the only 2 white recruits who came to play at GW. Am I missing anybody. My concern about the current recruit is not that he is white or slow (actually I am concerned about the slow part), but that he is being pursued by low major and mid major progams. So, the question should not be how many slow white jump shooters do we need, but rather how many non A-10 quality recruits do we need. My answer is zero. (BTW, both Pinnock and Ricky Lucas were also top 100 recruits that KH recruited. I too wonder why we do not get them anymore.)
danjsport4/18/2010 7:53:00 PM
Thinker is hijacking Senecas thread, to discuss non-novel issues to GWhoops board. Talking about the players last year, and how they could have improved? Talking about what kind of recruits this team needs- sorry, already been discussed.
but since we are all beating the dead horse, I am glad to see the team recruiting front line players. The athletic and big back court/swing men seems to have lots of filled slots between taylor, ware, kromah, smith, Johnson, and Bynes. The front line with Katuka and Edwards seems weak. Having Warren may help, but the more the merrier. And considering Hobbs has his 4's out on the perimeter frequently, it will be nice to see them shoot as well.
This team needs 2 or 3 more guys to consisently play on the front line. Some might work- some might not...but the more the merrier.
bobo4/18/2010 8:50:00 PM
Seriously Thinker, I thought my long-standing hatred of white people was well know on this board. It seems the PC police are still in effect at GW.
It's unlikely a recruiting bio is going to call a player outright slow, but you can read between the lines...On Fitzgerald: Defensively, he lacks the lateral quickness to defend the perimeter and is especially vulnerable when forced to close out. Yes, this is the type of player that does well in Hobbs' half-court press system.
It says Mikic has "decent athleticism". OK, Hobbs' system ussualy requires better than average athlecism from perimeter players but maybe if Mikic really is 6-7 or taller he can do still do well enough shooting over smaller guards on the perimeter to put up with his defense.
But you still didn't answer the question: Isn't Fitgerald and Mikic essentially the same player: Set shooting PF's with limited athlecism? And since Mikic is the higher rated one (who also had more interest from better programs), what's the value of Fitgerald?
thinker4/18/2010 8:55:00 PM
LSF, we don't recruit Pinnocks any more because they didn't really graduate HS - And GW wants HS graduates now. As far as the quality of recruits - I know of several guys we've gone after and are going after, who aren't mentioned on this board who are definitely big time. If you surf the web you'll also see GW is after guys like Jon Lloyd who was the 2010 Nevada Gatorade Player of the year, Eric McKnight who Maryland and Memphis and others have really gone after, Jelani Hewitt, rated by ESPN as a 92 -- So we are going after big time players.
thinker4/18/2010 9:10:00 PM
Again bobo, I know nothing about Fitzgerald so I couldn't tell you what the coaches see in him. Apparently they see something in him that they might potentially want on the team. Again, I'm not saying that the coaches don't make mistakes because CLEARLY they do -- BUT obviously they have access to lots more information about a player than we do, so I'd trust that at least they have some reason that they believe makes sense for them to be looking at Fitzgerald. Mind you GW takes a look at plenty of guys and decides NOT to try to offer them. So I think it's premature to bemoan us signing a guy that we haven't signed yet and in any event know net to nothing about.
This I do know, Mikic played in a VERY good league in North Carolina against big time DI talent and played very well, he also played in New Jersey with other big time talent. Steve Alford wanted him to go to New Meico -you can look at youtube videos of Mikic where he was pretty impressive. He's a smart, tough, mature kid -- without ever having put on a GW uniform it still looks like a very good get. Obviously if he sucks then he wasn't a great get.
And players develop. The impressive center for Cornell failed as a walkon for St. Bonaventure. Lots of teams whiffed on him. It's a blend - a great athlete with undeveloped skills and/or low basketball IQ doesn't get you very far. Herman Opoku is a freakish athlete with fabulous size and physique - You see my point? By the way - so was Cheyanne Moore. A skilled, high basketball IQ guy who is less athletic brings something to the table as well. And if we could get 2 Mikic's I think that would be great.
thinker4/18/2010 9:31:00 PM
Bobo, a couple of points I forgot to mention. "Fails to close out?" That sounds like every athletic player on GW's roster given our monumental inability to defend the 3. Nobody coming in could possibly do a worse job than we did last year. That's also a function of the strategy that Hobbs employed of trapping and pressing and letting the other team shoots 3's and hope they don't make a bunch of them. The other thing is that on offense, hate it as we may, Hobbs usually runs a wheel offense with 3-4 guys on the perimeter. In that system there aren't really 1's 2's 3's and 4's -- just wings and a 5. Again not saying anything about Fitzgerald, but the team had a woeful year shooting from outside and Hollis graduated. I could see the value of a another really good shooter.
Hatchet Man4/19/2010 9:36:00 AM
As far as other white guys to join the team under Hobbs, there was the Eastern European center Hobbs recruited almost immediately who flamed out after one year. Debevic was his last name, I recall.
BLACKBERRY4/19/2010 9:50:00 AM
Methinks thinker just wants a white guy on the team who he can slowly pleasure himself too
The MV4/19/2010 10:25:00 AM
Bobo, in a system where 9-11 guys regularly play, having "two of the same type of player" isn't necessarily a bad thing. First, obviously, the likelihood is that they will not be on the court at the same time. Second, if the team has identified this role as a well-needed one, you are doubling your chances of successfully filling this role. If there is a clear-cut winner and loser (and there may very well not be), the loser will undoubtedly end up transfering. If both are winners, they end up being role players who sub in and out for one another. And, as FQ and Thinker have both pointed out, I don't think we can have enough solid perimeter shooters.
notta hater4/19/2010 12:30:00 PM
I tend to recall that Richmond had some guys who looked slow come off screens and nail some heart stabbing 3's against GW this past season. Does not mean you have to leave them in the game for 40 mins (not a problem in the Hobbs system). In the right situation, folks have to choose their poison - do not guard him and watch him drain a three or guard him and something opens up someplace else on the court. What's the problem guys?
Dolphin Michael4/19/2010 2:27:00 PM
WOW... I'm a bit in the Notta column on the reaction.
Sounds like a great signing if Hobbs and the school can sell him. It seems like he has a major league eye and can rebound with the big boys. From video, he is technically more advanced than Edwards was on the few clips I saw of both. (for what it's worth)
Plus he comes out of a class A basketball prep school.
Here is another way of looking at it. This guy works like a dog and had to push to get minutes and it has paid off. Right now, we have similar player in David Pellom who seems to float through the game and not imposing himself on it. We need someone to push Pellom.
Finally, what you have with Fitzgerald is a guy who seems to have blossomed late. This makes him a perfect A10 catch. GW has the perfect basketball environment for a guy like him.
Oh yeah, he also looks like he plays for Gonzaga. SOoooo, if we can't be as good as Zags, we should at least attempt to look like them.
Mentzinger4/19/2010 8:03:00 PM
I love all the "recruiting relativists" on this board, who only care about how many stars or who else is recruiting a kid.
"He's only 2-stars; he's getting recruited by Qunnipiac, he must suck."
News flash: We don't get Top 100 recruits but once in a blue moon. OK, Regis but he was a transfer, not a recruit, and went to LSU, where he flamed. He wasn't even Top 100; he was a Parade All-American (which may be better than Top 100 ... or not ... which is my point).
Did anyone see how many Top 100 recruits were on the Butler roster?
Did anyone see how many "stars" Pops or Mike had when they arrived? Or Carl Elliott for that matter?
Do people not get it? Blind pursuit of raw talent is what has gotten us so many restrictions in the first place.
Why not recruit 5 solid guys with skills who can learn to be a team together and get coached (ahem).
When will people realize that "one-star" and overlooked regional guys who havent yet blown up are the ONLY "name" recruits GW can epect?
I like KH's recruiting (when he's allowed to do it, and with a few minor rules added ... the HS diploma thing), but honestly I'd rather see us go the route of getting our Baltimore turf back and a few other key metros, and just getting decent guys who can play a certain way.
Enough fear-driven gold-digging, where solid investing is clearly what's called for.
thinker4/19/2010 8:13:00 PM
gw7954/19/2010 8:35:00 PM
What would you rather have, an eplosive athlete who can jump out of the gym and has potential, or a developed low ceiling player who has a higher skill level? Both can be found at GW's level, you can find them at any level (an unathletic D1 player could be a great athlete at D3). You just have to be able to find those diamonds in the rough. I know that KH (or 99% of coaches for that matter) can't possibly be epected to have an 100% success rates with recruits, but I do epect that we get a future star at least once in a while. It's the offseason, let us critique the recruits all we want.
danjsport4/19/2010 9:54:00 PM
To quote LFO,
I agree with Mentz 100%
Levinator4/21/2010 7:14:00 AM
I've been away too long. This thread just gave me back my fi :)
danjsport4/21/2010 2:48:00 PM
I'm not sure why we ae discussing recruits. Didn't we discuss recruits last year? Who this team needs to recruit- I've heard all the arguments before. they need to recruit big strong guys to play center. They need to stop placing restrictions on Hobbs. Then this team will be good.
hoop4/21/2010 6:01:00 PM
I was playing in Lerner last week and is he a tall light skinned man with tattoos. I do not really write here but was curious as couple of my friends and I could not figure out who he was since he was with a couple basketball players from our team. He could really shoot and looked like a solid recruit.
BLACKBERRY4/21/2010 6:11:00 PM
Fitzgerald is a tall pasty ginger Mcknight is dark not a shooter
Dolphin Michael4/22/2010 12:33:00 AM
Hey poster by the name of Blackberry, that is pretty embarrassing for you. if you have an actual basketball issue, please post it, but several of us have worked for civil rights here, and that isn't helping your argument. FYI, many of our best players have been of the ginger persuasion. Why don't you try something that marginally has to do with the game before you bother to come back. You may not get this, but there are tens of thousands of GW graduates that have no problem with a "pasty ginger" playing basketball for the university, much less ecelling. just as we have no problem of a player of any other derogatory description playing for the school.
What a relief that we don't have Jeremy Lin epecting to play for the Buff and Blue... What then?
Bob4/22/2010 12:39:00 AM
To be fair the kid is a redhead, that's just a little bit of an immature way to describe it.
Also, I agree with you but don't get on your high horse about you being some civil rights worker. Nothing blackberry said was racist.
People on this board seem to act really old. They all love making their "witty" jokes that only a select group seems to get but everything else is not funny.
BLACKBERRY4/22/2010 1:51:00 AM
What s racist about ginger you self righteous fuck
Long Suffering Fan4/22/2010 8:47:00 AM
Someone help this old poster. What is being implied by calling a player a "pasty ginger".
thinker4/22/2010 9:51:00 AM
I think by pasty he means pale white - and by ginger he means has red hair.
bobo4/22/2010 9:58:00 AM
Obviously some sort of anti-Irish bigotry. I marched in Boston against "No Irish Need Apply" storefront signs in the 1830s and I'll march again against the college basketball community today. They continue to discriminate agains slow, white , unathletic ballers and nobody seems to care. Refs never give them respect and better, faster players of all races continue to take the ball away from these athletically challenged kids and even go out of their way to show them up by then jamming the ball down right in the face of the "pasty gingers". The media implcitly complies by capturing these discrminatory moments on film and "postorizing" the gingers. Simply outrageous.
Here's some photos from a benifit show for the Gingers: http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/inde.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=201712412&albumId=1335985
BLACKBERRY4/22/2010 10:19:00 AM
All I was saying was this wasn t the kid mentioned in helwell because the best way to describe his physical appearance is pasty ginger I could of said pale redhead sorry I didn t say anything about his skill or whether or not we should grab him
GW Alum Abroad4/22/2010 2:09:00 PM
Too bad "blackberry" has such a limited vocabulary. I mean, he could be "boysenberry" or "youngberry" but insted he has to drag race in to his moniker. I wonder if he would describe a player as "jigaboo" or "darkie" if that was all his skin-deep perception saw...