D.J.Willams to GW
gw69
 6/25/2017 11:22:25 AM      Replies: 164

gw696/21/2017 4:00:57 PM

No self- loathing here!!

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nj colonial6/21/2017 5:18:19 PM

Sad news for the negatories but great news for the rest of us - Raise High!

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gw696/21/2017 5:44:30 PM

Good man N.J.!!

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hes used to riding the pine6/21/2017 6:32:35 PM

He averaged 2.3 points in 17 games in the 2016-17 season and played just 12 total minutes in the final 19 games of the season. He had 16 DNPs in that span.

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greenpoint ny6/21/2017 6:40:55 PM

Seriously? We get a player who has serious potential and your gonna bash him already? Grow up! Apparently we should of tried harder for the blue chip recruits..

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asked to leave by illinois staff6/21/2017 6:42:36 PM

The 6-foot-7 guard appeared in 17 games and averaged a total of 2.3 points per game in his 2017 season with the Illini. He had a career-high nine points in last season’s game against McKendree University and tied his career-high five rebounds in the team’s victory over Central Michigan on December 10th.

After a freshman season where Williams averaged 11 minutes per game, he experienced a decline in his time on the court, only averaging 8.8 minutes per game. In the 2017 season, Williams also took a brief leave of absence due to, what the team described as, “personal reasons.”

gw696/21/2017 6:52:37 PM

Curious--11th ranked small forward in the COUNTRY out of High School--

Have we ever landed a higher ranked recruit?

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the dude6/21/2017 7:00:28 PM

Ranked in the top 35 nationally.  Very ballyhooed. Anyone ever higher? I cant think of any Doc.

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hatchet man6/21/2017 7:01:43 PM

Higher recruits? Regis Koundja. Shawnta Rogers.

bobo6/21/2017 7:17:52 PM

Season School Conf G MP FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2015-16 Illinois Big Ten 29 319 24 60 .400 22 48 .458 2 12 .167 11 19 .579 16 25 41 10 7 4 22 27 61
2016-17 Illinois Big Ten 17 150 17 40 .425 15 30 .500 2 10 .200 3 5 .600 4 11 15 8 1 5 8 6 39
Career Illinois   46 469 41 100 .410 37 78 .474 4 22 .182 14 24 .583 20 36 56 18 8 9 30 33 100

Per 100:

Season School Conf G MP FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS   ORtg DRtg
2015-16 Illinois Big Ten 29 319 4.4 11.0 .400 4.0 8.8 .458 0.4 2.2 .167 2.0 3.5 .579 7.5 1.8 1.3 0.7 4.0 4.9 11.2   80.7 110.2
2016-17 Illinois Big Ten 17 150 6.6 15.5 .425 5.8 11.6 .500 0.8 3.9 .200 1.2 1.9 .600 5.8 3.1 0.4 1.9 3.1 2.3 15.1   90.7 105.4
Career Illinois   46 469 5.1 12.4 .410 4.6 9.7 .474 0.5 2.7 .182 1.7 3.0 .583 7.0 2.2 1.0 1.1 3.7 4.1 12.4   84.1 108.7

Advanced Stats:

Season School Conf G MP PER TS% eFG% 3PAr FTr PProd ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG%   OWS DWS WS WS/40   OBPM DBPM BPM
2015-16 Illinois Big Ten 29 319 5.4 .442 .417 .200 .317 68 5.8 9.6 7.7 5.8 1.3 1.4 24.2 15.1   -0.2 0.2 0.0 -.004   -4.4 1.3 -3.1
2016-17 Illinois Big Ten 17 150 8.8 .460 .450 .250 .125 39 3.1 8.7 5.9 10.1 0.4 3.7 15.9 17.1   0.0 0.2 0.2 .043   -2.8 2.7 -0.2
Career Illinois   46 469 6.5 .449 .430 .220 .240 106 5.0 9.3 7.1 7.2 1.0 2.1 21.2 15.7   -0.3 0.4 0.1 .011   -3.9 1.8 -2.1
 

 

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bobo6/21/2017 7:18:50 PM

Per Game:

Season School Conf G MP FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2015-16 Illinois Big Ten 29 11.0 0.8 2.1 .400 0.8 1.7 .458 0.1 0.4 .167 0.4 0.7 .579 1.4 0.3 0.2 0.1 0.8 0.9 2.1
2016-17 Illinois Big Ten 17 8.8 1.0 2.4 .425 0.9 1.8 .500 0.1 0.6 .200 0.2 0.3 .600 0.9 0.5 0.1 0.3 0.5 0.4 2.3
Career Illinois   46 10.2 0.9 2.2 .410 0.8 1.7 .474 0.1 0.5 .182 0.3 0.5 .583 1.2 0.4 0.2 0.2 0.7 0.7 2.2

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the dude6/21/2017 7:22:57 PM

Bobo your bias is amazing.  Every other GW fan is celebrating landing a super ballyhooed recruit from the Big 10, you chose instead to slam our recruit and re-post the same limited playing time stats you've already posted.

No one is fooled.  The rest of us are celebrating, I assure you that! Rain on some other parade man.

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gw696/21/2017 7:45:11 PM

Just curious--What was MLs highest ranked recruit?

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gw296/21/2017 7:58:15 PM

Don't want to bash the kid but is this the best Mojo can do? Kids numbers are terrible! 18% for three? A little over 2 ppg and I'm sure that one basket was in garbage time. This team will be cellar dwellers for at least 6-8 years. We are wasting scholarships on low major players and I can't see any future in this. Very disappointing! But again, when you have a below average coach and two assistants who have zero clue this is what we will get. Raise low! Not High!

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gw696/21/2017 8:02:43 PM

Highest ranking ML recruit please.

xac6/21/2017 8:39:30 PM

Not counting transfers, it could be Marfo or could be Cimino. Don't know who the highest was, but it probably doesn't matter, since Cimino, PJ, and Swann were all ranked more highly than then any of the Core 4 and it didn't seem to mean a lot.

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ziik the bureaucrat6/21/2017 8:59:09 PM

Just curious. Is the Illinois coaching staff well regarded?

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gw696/21/2017 9:12:39 PM

Best of my recollection Cimino,Swann,P.J.not even close to Williams ranking---but I know it doesn't make any difference.

long suffering fan6/21/2017 9:14:10 PM

Posting statistics without commentary would seem to be the antithesis of bias.  Like saying he is the 11th best small forward out of high school. Is the recruits lack of success at his prior school not a legitimate topic of debate for a fan board?   Personally, I am excited about his potential (some players develop late) but likewise have concerns about the lack of success on the Court.  Hopefully the change in scenery or the step down in conference will make a difference.  

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thomas6/21/2017 9:15:46 PM

Hatchet Man,  Good Pull on Regis Koundjia!! I think he was an even higher rated recruit than D.J.Williams, and he ended up being a solid player for GW, but he came to GW during a period of time(2004/2005??) when GW was in BEAST MODE(not rebuilding mode like now) so the coaches didn't need him to be a savior or program-changing type of player. I'm sure the coaches have told D.J.Williams that he will be a big part of what GW's game plan when he is eligible starting in 2018-2019. Cheyenne Moore was also a highly rated high school recruit who transferred in around the same time as Regis Koundjia. Sorry for bringing up that name for those of you who wanted to forget about C.Moore. HA!

Agreed The Dude!! I mentioned this in the other thread about D.J.Williams and I'll say it here too, but the #BowieStrong/ML supporters should hold off on the Mojo bashing when GW signs a player like D.J.Williams who has very impressive high school credentials. When a BCS player transfers down a level or two(like D.J.Williams did today and Zeek & Creek did a few years back), he most likely didn't play that much and put up underwhelming numbers at his BCS school...That's Why They're Transferring!!! Chances are with more playing time, coaches who believe in them and more confidence, they'll do a lot better at their new school. And when you look at D.J.Williams measurables and high school pedigree, most of us are understandably excited about his potential at GW.  

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thinker6/21/2017 9:36:23 PM

The transfers Armwood, Creek and Sina were ESPN Top 100 recruits out of HS like DJ.

Obviously he had some personal issues at Illinois that caused things to not work out - I imagine a fresh start will do wonders for him.

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173.73.146.2386/21/2017 9:39:14 PM

Thank you Thomas, if he was putting up huge numbers in the Big 10 why would he transfer to GW.  Promising get even in good times...

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buff and blue bandit6/21/2017 9:46:15 PM

1) Overjoyed we got a transfer to fill a positional need. 

2) Frustrated that we have to turn his signing into a pissing match. 

a) So what if he may be the highest rated (high school ranking that is) player we have ever gotten. Haven't we learned high school rankings don't always translate into college success? 

b) Do you guys think he is transferring up? No, he struggled at Illinois and maybe, just maybe GW is the place where he can thrive. However based on his numbers, he isn't the second coming (messiah, Zeek, or otherwise). 

ingsc) If ML was still here and the scandal wasn't hanging over his head, would we be saying this is a great signing? I'm not really sure. I think the board would have been divided. Half would be against based on his current statistics, and half for because of ML's eye when it comes to transfer talent (Zeek, Creek, Ty, Mitola, etc.). Either way, doesn't matter. 

3) This is an instance, where GW and MoJo are taking a chance on a kid that once proved he has real potential. As a GW fan I will root for his success no matter what. 

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greenpoint ny6/21/2017 9:49:57 PM

 very excited over here in NYC!! I didn't see if someone already asked but is he eligible for this year or does he have to sit out? If he is eligible what will be the potential lineup/depth?

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steven6/21/2017 10:14:13 PM

Notice bobo criticized everything Hobbs did , then loved everything lonergan did and now criticizes everything Joseph does ? Hmmmmm

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ziik the peasant6/21/2017 10:20:26 PM

So, he is an on-again, off-again critic. What is your point?

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2twotoed6/21/2017 10:25:53 PM

Great news. Too bad he can't play next year. Nice to see them close on a potential dynamic player. Still need big time help for next season. But a very positive step.

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ct colonial6/21/2017 10:38:56 PM

Extra year of practice might be a blessing in disguise, as it will give him the time to develop his skills further.  That's assuming GW develops him well, but it's a two-way street (he needs to be willing to put in the effort; it's not just all on the coaching staff).  

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bobo6/21/2017 11:16:09 PM

Please explain how posting a player's college stats is showing bias or bashing him?  Use details and explain in full. 

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gw future6/21/2017 11:39:11 PM

No Bobo bashing is calling PJ a D3 guard like one poster was fond of doing. Or calling Jordan Roland a wee little guard. Dude, does anyone come to mind?

the dude6/22/2017 12:21:29 AM

Well, B&BB, Yes if ML had signed him there would be widespread rejoicing. The last 2 years ML signed a role player from a bad Harvard team, and a 5'11 PG from Dartmouth, and fans were wisely pleased about both signings (I don't recall one unhappy or critical post about either, could be wrong.)

When players leave the Big East, Big 10 and ACC and go down a level, they very often do well.  Sina who really should never have been in the Big East, and isn't athletic enough to play in the A10 was perhaps an exception.  The Zeke comp makes the most sense because they have a variety of similarities, athletic long bodies, raw offensively, limited minutes, sit 1 play 2, should benefit from a year off, etc etc.

I think its potentially a huge signing, I don't believe anyone would have thought otherwise had ML signed him, and its 100% (some of) obvious the Mojo haters are going to be playa haters, just to hate. On any issue, always.  Until the steady winning happens and then they will conveniently re-brand, just like (some of) them went from ML haters to ML lovers.  

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the other mg6/22/2017 12:31:45 AM

I'm willing to be optimistic about D.J.  If St. Peter's was happy to get Nick Griffin, which I assume they were, we should have at least some reason for hope that Williams will be a solid contributor with our roster.  I'm a horse racing guy, and I've seen horses wake up and develop their heart and talent once they build confidence when running against a lesser class of horses than before.

the dude6/22/2017 12:39:51 AM

Thomas, well stated, I think you and most GW fans are aware that we have a few people here who have decided they will try to moan and groan, and revise history.  Why anyone is so eager to do this, seemingly to rehabilitate the rep of a guy who brought disgrace to the school and left behind a shell of a roster escapes me. 

Very good players go to Big 10 schools and don't always thrive immediately.  Indiana had half a dozen transfers out doing well in the NCAA tourney alone, I am sure Thomas you and others spotted that! Maybe those guys just couldn't take Tom Crean, but either way, the Big 10 is just another level than the A10.  I would take a guy from the Big 10 whether are not he was a a high talent, former top 50 national recruit with gusto.  This guy DJ appears to be a no brainer.  Light up the Cigars!

 

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steven6/22/2017 12:42:13 AM

Very suspicious is all I will say. 

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bobo6/22/2017 12:42:49 AM

Still haven't answered the question, dude.

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bobo6/22/2017 1:28:33 AM

The question specifically is how is posting a player's college statistics "bashing" that player?

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steven6/22/2017 1:32:51 AM

It's very cute. The board has figured out your angle at this point.

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bobo6/22/2017 1:37:57 AM

Not sure if I've ever seen you post on this board before, Steve, but thanks for figuring things our for us all.  

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2twotoed6/22/2017 6:06:11 AM

Great news. Too bad he can't play next year. Nice to see them close on a potential dynamic player. Still need big time help for next season. But a very positive step.

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gw696/22/2017 6:33:23 AM

BOBO --Your statistics post is just as transparent and disengenuos as my

ranking post.My post was meant to not just inform which is legitimate,

but also to annoy the haters like you.I know it's not that big a deal where he 

was ranked.Now it's your turn to admit that beyond the useful"factoid"

his stats gave you a thrill to share with us.Look up disengenuous and 

get back to me.Who do think you are dealing with.We get your crap.

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notta hater6/22/2017 6:49:50 AM

good catch - one way or the other a positive step for GW

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maine colonial6/22/2017 6:50:36 AM

It looks like some of the Illinois fans, who have actually watched him play for two years instead of just reading stats, think he still has the potential to be a star. One of them is Rees Woodcock, an Illini fan and writer:

"I think if there are teams who have an open scholarship then they should jump on Williams immediately. This kid has so much untapped potential it makes me mad we couldn’t figure out how to use him, or play him for that matter...I really believe if Williams has a coach who can teach him the game then I think he can become a great player. He didn’t have that at Illinois...Williams has a ton of options and I hope he selects a school where he can shine. The sky is the limit for this kid and I hope nothing but the best." LINK

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gw696/22/2017 7:05:21 AM

Perhaps "hidden agenda" might be easier for you to comprehend BOBO.

This is NOT deep stuff.

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bobo6/22/2017 7:31:30 AM

Still no answer, dude?  That's fine since there really is no answer to why straight statistics are "biased" or "blasting" a player.  Stats are stats.  You can interpret them anyway you want.  That's opinion and that's where biases or agendas can come into place.  But it you don't want a player's stats listed, I can't help you there.

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teddy greenstein chicago tribune6/22/2017 7:37:01 AM

DJ Williams is addition by subtraction for the Illini program.  He's not a consistent shooter, and the knock has been his intensity.

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maine colonial6/22/2017 7:38:29 AM

Here's another writer who thought D.J. deserved more playing time: LINK

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maine colonial6/22/2017 7:55:27 AM

It sounds like "Agent Zero" was the one who decided to transfer and it looks like he left on good terms and will be missed: LINK

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long suffering fan6/22/2017 7:55:35 AM

Whether or not there was a hidden agenda, the stats needed to be posted.  Just as any other pertinent (non-personal) facts about any of our players.  Would you prefer to bury your head in the sand?    Would those who are a little skeptical about the recruit have celebrated it in he was brought in by ML?  First, and more than any other person, Dude, I think you are having a hard time getting passed the fact that ML is not the coach anymore and has nothing to do with this.   But even assuming he did, I would say that the transfer probably would have been better received than perhaps under Mojo.  The reason...ML had an established history of bringing in excellent transfers, some of whom had not all that impressive numbers at their prior school.  (Zeek, Tyler, etc.) and some been recoginzed as having strong role to play on the team, even if not a star (Mitola, Steeves).    Mojo is not there yet.  Once Mojo establishes a history of bringing in excellent transfers who may not have had great numbers, then he will have earned the benefit of the doubt on this; but for now...it is not that we aren't supportive...we most certainly are, but with the first 2 year statistics, please understand why many of us may scratch our heads about this one.  Don't you believe that 2 years of college performance is a better indicator than your rating coming out of high school?  Frankly, I remember quite strongly thinking "based upon his college stats, why the hell did we want Armwood   Same with Cavanaugh.   It is not about not liking Mojo.  It is about any new coach earning his stripes.

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maine colonial6/22/2017 8:05:22 AM

Tyler just talked about how playing at GW made it possible for him to develop into a potential NBA draft pick. D.J. will be trying to do the same thing: 

"Coming to GW really changed my outlook as a basketball player. I changed my body, I was really able to contribute to the team the last two years, and I made myself a name in the A-10 and therefore with NBA scouts. After the season with Portsmouth and the [Reese’s] All-Star game I played really well and that helped. Then the opportunity to go to 13 different cities and work out has been great. Just getting in these NBA facilities and showing what I can do, representing myself the way I do and talking to people, we’ll see what happens. I’ve put my best foot forward, and whether I’m drafted or not Thursday night I’ll have information about summer league. Get me on the court, and that’s where I like to show people and prove them wrong." LINK

D.J. will have a year to get stronger and work on his shot and get ready to do what Tyler and Zeke did at GW...Raise High.

 

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maine colonial6/22/2017 8:32:40 AM

The GW system that's still in place is clearly working with Matt Johnson building the guys up and then MoJo and the assistant coaches helping the guys develop their shots, improve their overall games and develop the confidence and toughness necessary to play at the next level. Zeke, Creek, Pato, Kevin, Tyler and Jaren have all developed into pros at GW and Yuta is next. D.J obviously wants to join the Long Buff-and-Blue Line. 

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dj williams6/22/2017 8:33:32 AM

I did not play in 16 of the last 19 games last season.

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maine colonial6/22/2017 8:38:17 AM

...because the head coach knew I was going to transfer.

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gw696/22/2017 8:47:28 AM

LSF--Lets get real here.Nothing wrong with sharing the stats--and 

nothing wrong with high school ranking.Just suggesting this is used

to bolster someone's point of view and to drive the other side crazy.

Its not sharing information just for the sake of sharing information.

This is not a crime against humanity.Its just calling a spade a spade.

Im pointing out the obvious!!

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gw696/22/2017 8:50:05 AM

Yes--if he was recruited by ML I believe completely different reaction

from self-leathers.

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gw696/22/2017 8:59:28 AM

Leathers and Loathers.

adclub6/22/2017 9:17:39 AM

DJ - if that is you no need to defend yourself man. We're excited you're here - we need your help so 2018 can't come quick enough. 

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dea6/22/2017 9:38:37 AM

For the love of god I hope no prospective player ever reads this pathetic board or at least realizes everybody here is completely irrelevant. 

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the mv6/22/2017 9:42:24 AM

"Sina should never really have been in the Big East"?  You mean, that conference where he earned all-Rookie honors as a freshman?

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long suffering fan6/22/2017 9:57:51 AM

I really am pulling for you to be right, Maine Colonial.

hey6/22/2017 9:58:18 AM

He may have averaged 2.3 points per game, not come off the bench for over half the season, and not be eligible for 2017-2018, but does this mean we have enough bodies to play 5-on-5 in practice now?

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long suffering fan6/22/2017 10:02:17 AM

B & B.  There is nothing wrong about discussing the pros and cons of an incoming transfer.  It doesn't have to be a pissing match...just so often that is what it turns into, and invariably a referendum on the former coach or current coach.   It would be nice to just discuss the player.

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gw696/22/2017 10:32:57 AM

LSF--Totally on board!!

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gw student6/22/2017 10:51:18 AM

Everyone talks about how DJ didn't have great stats at Illinois but he wouldn't have transferred to GW (or probably at all) if he was putting up numbers that would get people excited. Who was the last transfer to put up big numbers and come to GW? If I recall correctly, its almost exclusively (except Mitola, whose numbers were decent) guys who didn't play much at their previous school or had underwhelming numbers. The fact that we are getting an athlete who at one point was considered elite for his class is a win itself for our program. 

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mentzinger6/22/2017 11:02:20 AM

Paging Cheyenne Moore

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gw696/22/2017 11:24:20 AM

Just plain stupid Mentz.I guess there is no point recruiting a highly 

decorated high school recruit because he might turn out to a Cheyanne 

Moore?

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porter716/22/2017 11:46:49 AM

I think Cheyenne Moore still holds the record for most highlight reel dunks missing in a career. 

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mike k6/22/2017 11:47:14 AM

looking forward to this HS stud playing in the A-10

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porter716/22/2017 11:47:25 AM

*missed in a career

free quebec6/22/2017 12:32:59 PM

I have a better comp for you than any I've seen on this board yet: Renee Castro. 

As GW69 said, Mentz' Moore comparison is not good. Cheyenne Moore played almost 20 minutes a game at Clemson and averaged over 6 points per game.

Williams didn't show what Moore did (including the worst-I've-ever-seen decision-making that was Moore's calling card), let alone what Armwood (team captain, double-double vs. Syracuse) or Cavs (2nd best player on ACC team) did before transferring;  however, he brings athleticism that we desperately need and will hopefully fit MoJo's system well.  The signing makes a lot of sense right now. 

 

All that said, I would say Renee Castro is a better comp - strong HS reputation but played very little at Butler, transferred to Duquesne, then put up decent numbers this year for the Dukes.  One difference is that Castro transferred after his freshman year but his first year at Duq (sophmore year) he still did very little, but Williams has already had that quiet second year and will be a 4th year player when eligible for us ready to become solid just like Castro was last year, plus he has a clear path to playing time.

 

FYI, speaking of comps - KenPom's website has that "similar player" index and after his freshman year, one of the top 5 comps (with high similarity scores) was Zach Coleman from UMASS.  I thought Coleman was a decent player with a load of potential (but got recruited over this year so didn't play as much as a Junior). No similarity scores from last year for him, though, becuase he didn't play enough.

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gw696/22/2017 1:23:45 PM

Thats not the point!! Williams hasn't played for us yet!!!

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the dude6/22/2017 1:39:01 PM

Transparent and disingenous does a nice job of describing things Doc.  Sounds like Fox News might have found their next slogan.

Look, its quite simple, signing a player like this would have been a rare point of universal celebration on this site. Let me think what has changed... what could possibly be the reason for a 180 from 5 or so folks hmmmm

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illini follower6/22/2017 3:54:19 PM

DJ Williams played a small role last year.  He almost left the team mid-season and barely played down the stretch.  He was nicknamed Flash because he is athletic and lanky. That's the positive.

The downside:  he's completely inconsistent.  Didn't bring it from one game to the next or even one practice to the next. Wasn't very reliable in that department.

Has a bit of an ego but wasn't even a star player in high school (Ed Morrow was the best player on that Simeon team). He was a good player in HS but was always going to be a role player. He could never embrace that idea.  Wasn't going to play at all next year, so they kindly asked him to depart.

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bobo6/22/2017 4:06:28 PM

So what do think the GW comp for Williams is, FQ?  6-7 200 lbs wing.  Very athletic but poor 3pt shooter and not a high level rebounder.   Most likely can score in transition.

Winston Witherspoon comes to mind.  Jason Smith before the transition to PF? 

phew6/22/2017 4:25:04 PM

Thanks for that reassuring message Illini Follower.  I'm sure this will turn out well then.

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another illini follower6/22/2017 4:52:27 PM

D.J. Was underutilized!!Tremoundous athlete who was never used 

appropriately by the coaching staff.Great upside.Possibly a "great get"

for GW.I will follow him from here with great interest.I don't know much

about your program--but D.J. for sure will add solid and stellar 

contributions for your squad.

 

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gw696/22/2017 4:55:37 PM

Oops--that was me.

the dude6/22/2017 5:02:13 PM

Steeves 6'8 is not athletic, can't shoot 3s (not at GW at least) has had 5 major operations, and the guy played really well for us last year.  Not sure what the value in dregging up old names who were not great Colonials is.  

Jaason Smith was 170 wet, this guy isn't that thin, but could use some time with MJ in our weightroom. Luckily he will have 17 months for that.  

D.J. Williams, a versatile 6-7 junior ranked among the top players in the country, Williams, who had offers from Florida, DePaul and growing interest from several high-majors, is a consensus top 50 player in the Class of 2015 and is ESPN.com’s 29th ranked player in the nation.

Most highly ranked GW player out of HS ever? That's what comes to my mind.

 

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bobo6/22/2017 5:22:18 PM

Did you change your name to FQ, dude?

the dude6/22/2017 5:30:13 PM

Not sure I follow the question Bobo. Huh?

merrick6/22/2017 5:40:32 PM

I don't think I'm giving anything away from MoJo's lunch, but there appears to be a desire to get taller and longer on the perimeter, while creating more versatility in the lineup.  This seems to fit that objective.     

 

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the dude6/22/2017 6:00:45 PM

Not sure I follow your question Bobo.

mentzinger6/22/2017 6:06:46 PM

Sorry: Touted HS recruit downgraded from a Power Conference school to play wing for GW after reports of an "attitude problem" completely describes Cheyenne Moore. You are allowed to be critical of the signing and still hope it works out. Maybe it will work out.

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free quebec6/22/2017 6:07:00 PM

boho, maybe Hobbs-era David Pellom.  He's not as long but probably faster.  Pellom didn't play inside until I think his junior year.  It's possible that, like what happened with Pellom, added strength, maturity, and new coaching gets Williams to mix it up more inside while still using his speed and size in transition such that he becomes solid on a team that very much needs him to play a key role and needs his athleticism.  

Another thought is Marquin Chandler (who also developed a jumper later in his career but didn't have one early on). 

bigfan6/22/2017 6:11:05 PM

In any case, welcome DJ.

Think his college record way more relevant than high school. For the obvious reason that not everybody pans out in Division 1.

If DJ keeps his nose clean, studies hard, works hard, gets stronger, has a good attitude and listens to the coaches, he at least has a chance to have some impact at GW.

Since he already has some of the physical tools, it's up to DJ on how successful he can be at GW. It's a fresh start.

 

the dude6/22/2017 6:13:15 PM

Measured in HS at 6'10 Wingspan, that's pretty long for 6'7.  

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/D.J.-Williams-7251/

goggles6/22/2017 6:27:46 PM

Well that is a condescending post big fan. Don't think he needs life advice from you. 

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porter716/22/2017 6:32:24 PM

What about a slightly taller JJ Brade?

gw696/22/2017 7:23:08 PM

wow "keeps his nose clean"-Bigfan -You are losing me with this crap.

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gw future6/22/2017 7:31:07 PM

Stop with pc bullshit pot stirring 69 and Goggles. We all know what Bigfan meant. 

Sorry Bigfan that you are subject to shitty posters who if their posts are indicative of who they are they are shitty people too.

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ziik the peasant6/22/2017 8:15:24 PM

Isn't JJ Brade a myth?

bobo6/22/2017 9:52:02 PM

Good call on Pellom, FQ. Pellom moved inside his junior year after being used both inside and outside earlier. 6-8 225 lbs, I think Pellom was bigger than Williams but also struggled on his jumper and didn't have a good enough handle.  Jason Smith also moved from a SF to a PF/C in his senior year at GW and did well in that 1 season.

Maybe that will be the change for Williams: move inside to PF with Toro and others as C.  That would be a small line up for GW but then they could go with 3 wings and 2 faster players at PF/C.  From the playing stats, it looks like Williams played exclusively on the wing for Illinois.  But if a guy can't make outside jumpers, he can't play on the wing much unless he's adding something else. 

 

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bigfan6/22/2017 9:58:45 PM

Gee, hard to imagine ML suffered from PC issues given some of the idiocy here.

Typed earlier post quickly from phone .But was wondering whether to say keep your nose clean just because someone younger might not understand.

What the hell is wrong with this reference now?

Are you kidding, GW69? Hope it's not really you.

You post some weird crap, disturbing hugely for your self proclaimed profession,. That's up to you

But making some sort of implication that is hard to fathom when you damn well know what was meant only belittles you. 

Glad to " lose you" anytime, GW69.

There's apparently a block button. Please use it.

 

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bigfan6/22/2017 10:03:21 PM

Beyond the incredibly inane and self-serving interruption, we still really need an immediately eligible grad student. 

We needed two. But certainly desperately need one.

ziiks third cousin twice removed6/22/2017 10:20:13 PM

GWHoops needs more guys, too, BF. My guess is we all sort of tire of each other, for no real reason other then old familiarity. 

No need to feel slighted. I think 'crap' is just a word. He's a doc, so its medical.

Seriously, we all need to lighten up a bit. Maybe its the sudden embarrassment of riches that we will not enjoy for two years or more.

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gw696/22/2017 10:46:25 PM

Bigfan--I was simply agreeing with goggles(who I just noticed got 9 likes).

I found "keep your nose clean" the most condescending part of your post.

I admit I might have overreacted by using the word "crap" but I was to tired

to come up with another word to describe your fatherly advice.It feels like 

"he has a chance" if he does it your way.I think he has a chance -period.

Im sure it's my unresolved authority issues--what's your excuse?

Also --you can block me!!

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the dude6/22/2017 11:11:29 PM

I find "downgraded to ..." interesting language, even if accurate.  Interesting because I never see the same language to describe the GW players who have left, almost all of them making a much bigger drop down.

Players matched with their level is a good idea, he might actually not be a great fit for the Big 10, but could thrive in the A10.  I'd take another Pellom if that's what he is, heck I'd take 3 Pelloms we could use 3.

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scrapheap6/23/2017 7:51:53 AM

The phrase “impact transfer” can be slightly misleading. Most of the time, especially at this portion of the offseason, high major players who averaged no meaningful numbers head to the lower levels of Division I basketball.

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maine colonial6/23/2017 8:08:21 AM

B.J. Johnson transferred from Syracuse where he averaged 4.2 points a game to La Salle, sat out a year, and his scoring jumped to 17.6 points a game last year. LINK

B.J. was an impact transfer and hopefully D.J. will too.

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bobo6/23/2017 8:49:18 AM

BJ Johnson averaged 4.2 pts and 3.2 rebounds in 25 games at SU vs Williams 2.4 pts and 0.9 reb in 18 games at ILL.  BJ Johnson still 7th in the rotation at SU averaging 14.6 minutes.  For some reason, Williams was 11th in the rotation at ILL and didn't play much at all in conference for a 20-15 NIT team. The questionis that since Illinois wasn't a very good team, why couldn't Williams get on the court?

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bj also showed flashes6/23/2017 8:58:40 AM

like 19 points late in the season against Norte Dame and 30 minutes in the ACC tourney against Virginia his last year. 

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gw05096/23/2017 9:08:03 AM

All this bickering is really getting old. DJ's on our team now and has a year to work on his game and bulk up.

 

 Can't we all just agree to root for the kid and hope he can help GW win?  

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the other mg6/23/2017 2:12:52 PM

Voice of Reason, GW0509.  Now over 100 posts, many of which were predictions or implications on how good DJ will be.  Does anyone on this site really want (not predict) that he not succeed?  Time to focus on getting behind this kid and his potential.  Considering our recent past performance, this gives me some hope. 

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the dude6/23/2017 2:26:45 PM

MG sadly I think the answer is yes. Whomever is trolling the site, surely does.  Then there are a few who appear to want Mojo to fail ASAP so they can call for his replacement.  

ML had 2 terrible losing seasons to start his tenure, and the fan base was patient about that (except a few hurt Hobbs fans who were acting a lot like the MLers now, amazingly these 2 groups overlap in a case or two)

Sorry hurt folks, on paper this is a very good signing. Highly talented, ballyhooed HS player who didn't play a lot in the Big 10, ideal target transfer for GW.   I don't doubt for a second if we signed this guy 1 year ago the reaction would be entirely different from team MLers.

 

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greenpoint ny6/23/2017 2:41:37 PM

I feel in the right surroundings this kid can excel. Like somone mentioned before - we take kids that may of not recieved the minuteds or recognition they deserved and put them on track for success.

Armwood

Creek

Cavanaugh

WILLIAMS

ESPN Analyst
Updated 04/20/2015

Strengths:
Williams is a very athletic wing who is wiry and stronger than he appears. He can beat defenders off the bounce and has an excellent mid range game. He can get to the basket on the break and in the half court set where he finishes above the rim.Williams can also hit the open three when his feet are set and in the flow. He welcomes contact and can finish with either hand and or draw fouls.

Weaknesses:
Williams must continue to build strength, be conscious of his shot selection and continue to hone his ball handling skills. Williams could also be more of a factor on the glass given his length and quickness to the ball.

Bottom Line:
Williams scoring versatility is a major problem for perimeter defenders because he can score in the post and extend out to the arc. He simply is wired to put the ball in the basket.

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thomas6/23/2017 3:18:05 PM

Signing D.J.Williams is definitely a great signing as the last 4 posters have said. With all the guys who have graduated and transferred out of GW since the season ended and Yuta set to graduate after the upcoming season, complaining about/picking apart an athletic former top 100 player from a Big 10 school is unnecessary. I mean, exactly what kind of player would you prefer over a 6-7,200 pound athletic forward who was recruited by a bunch of BCS schools?? You should also keep in mind that D.J.Williams thriving at GW could start a pipeline of players from Chicago coming to GW in the future.

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the mv6/23/2017 3:37:21 PM

Greenpoint, it's important to understand that this transfer is a very different situation than the others you referenced for reasons having nothing to do with who coaches our team today or twelve months ago.  Zeke was playing regularly for Nova, just not ample minutes due to the 4 guard attack Nova was successfully utilizing back then.  He was scheduled to be a team captain had he returned for his junior season so he was obviously in very good standing with his coaches and teammates.  Creek was an obvious talent who suffered a series of debilitating injuries resulting in Indiana recruiting over him (with the #2 pick in an NBA draft no less).  Tyler had already proven that he was a more than capable player while at Wake, putting up 20 points against Duke and having an 11 point/8 rebound performance against Kansas.  A coaching change was made at Wake but even without one, Tyler really wanted to play in the NCAA's and thought his chances of doing so would be greater at GW than at Wake.

In DJ's case, he fell out of favor with John Groce, sitting out 16 of the team's final 19 games.  He didn't have any breakout games against good competition (I believe his career highs were 10 points and 8 rebounds, each against lowly competition).  The new coach, Brad Underwood, did not appear to try very hard to retain him (and I base this largely on the Illinois message board).  The only positives at this point are the high school ratings he achieved.

None of this is to suggest that I am not rooting hard for DJ, or that this was a gamble not worth taking.  I believe we have slipped a bit in talent to the point where we are not an NIT contender at this point.  For that reason, you have to hope that DJ was in the wrong system, with the wrong coaches, and/or at the wrong school.  This is a chance that GW is smart to take, even if it doesn't work out.

It didn't take very long to hear that Zeke was the best player every day at practice.  Or that Creek was an unbelievable shooter and a steal under the circumstances.  Or that Tyler had hit the weight room and came out a total beast.  We can only hope that the same type of statement will be made about DJ.  However, an honest assessment is that based on the varied circumstances that led each player to GW, DJ's circumstances carry greater risk that he will be very successful than the others (unless you were unconvinced about Mo's health).  This is not a slam dunk for success or for disappointment.  And this has nothing to do with who our coach is/was when DJ decided on GW.

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bobo6/23/2017 3:53:36 PM

I understand Williams didn't get much playing time for Illinois, the question is WHY didn't he get much (or any for long stretches) playing time at Illinois?

 

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the dude6/23/2017 4:02:56 PM

The last Big 10 transfer we landed, Creek, didn't play much for Indiana. Worked out pretty well for GW.

 

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free quebec6/23/2017 4:15:09 PM

That's not true Dude.  I'm not sure why I'm bothering to argue with the guy who used to not count transfers as recruits but now does, however he played a lot and was their rising superstar before injuries wrecked it for him.  His last year, he was still recovering from injury and playing behind the #2 pick.  Williams never played and injuries weren't the issue. 

Please don't take this to mean I'm unhappy about the signing. I've already said it makes a lot of sense and I think he'll be fine for us.  But I think we need to cut the spin out, particularly the comparisons to guys who showed flashes of brilliance at the college level before transferring. 

 

By the way, another comp might be one of my favorite short-lived Colonials, Montrell McDonald.  McDonald was super skinny but also the fastest guy I've seen on the court.  He was a terrific defender and great in transition, but not much of a shooter or ball handler in the half court.  Given that DJ is thin and has been nicknamed Flash, maybe he profiles as a taller version of Montrell McDonald? 

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outside observer6/23/2017 4:17:02 PM

MV pretty much nailed the DJ Williams situation. End of discussion. Besides, I remember negative posts about Zeke, Mo, and Tyler as they were coming in just as I remember over the top praise of recruits who didn't pan out like Griffin, Paris, and Marfo.

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the mv6/23/2017 4:29:04 PM

Not much of a shooter, FQ?  That is overly generous.  But yes, Montrell was fun to watch in the full court press.

the dude6/23/2017 4:38:21 PM

Post injury Mo Creek was not playing much at Indiana. Played 7 mins/game as a Jr, and was not expected to play much as a Senior. Didn't play much as a Soph either. You are referring to 12 games as a Fresheman, before all of the injuries. Hence the transfer, wasn't playing much, played even less than DJ, scored less, less/40 too.  Yet, he came to GW and was great.  We would never have gotten pre injury, Freshman Mo Creek to come to GW.  That guy would have transfered to Duke, not GW.  

(Still think transfers and HS recruits are different animals, no change, a useless semantical discussion.  Irrelevant to the topic at hand. My views are the same, seems its you who has changed.  Thought you were against any discussion of guys we were recruiting. Sina in particular.)

Most transfers are either team's stars making big moves up (Potter, Mitola) or guys not playing much making a step down (Creek, DJ)

We've had 12 GW recruits transfer down in the last 3 years, I bet those 12 schools were pleased on the day they signed.  Very mixed results, at best, no guarantee of success moving down.  Better results frankly in stars movig up a level.  Potter or DJ, more likely to succeed? I like both, but I'd say probably Potter.

 

 

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bo knows6/23/2017 5:34:55 PM

Deciphering the Dude's changing views on just about any topic is a tough thing FQ. One minute he hates transfers and claims they are not the approach to build a winning team and do not count as part of recruiting. The next he hails them as great signings. One minute he laments this board's decline into the abyss of personal attacks, the next moment he uses 50 or more surrogate names to do just that against all those who disagree with him (and who might actually agree with him tomorrow when he flips lol). He thought Tertsea was a great recruit and GW missed the boat until GW signed Marfo who was a better recruit. Now it was clear to him way before Marfo arrived on campus that Marfo was overrated.

He was for ML before he was against ML. He will be for Mojo before he is against Mojo if things get tough - just watch. 

The simple fact in dealing with the Dude on this board is to acknowledge that what he says today is only good for that post. He constantly reserves the right to contradict himself early and often.

The only solace everyone here can take is that no one connected to the basketball program has any respect for him. His posts serve as a regular source of entertainment and derision by those who read them. I guess every fan base has a Dude. 

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ruserious6/23/2017 5:38:58 PM

Guess what Bo Knows they have no respect for you either.  They think you're a clown.

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greenpoint ny6/23/2017 5:49:42 PM

MV-my point is that gw transfers are a dime a dozen for programs like Illinois, nova, wake, and Indiana. A great player not working out for whatever reason..same level or better player slides right in. Gw doesn't have that luxury. No player is 100% lock to succeed, but I would not hesitate to take a risk on a high caliber player. My hope is that one day we don't transfer in players that are like Williams but recruit them and have a decent shot to close the deal. If the next president backs the program it could be the beginning of great things

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ziik the peasant6/23/2017 5:57:03 PM

I am an uneducated man. But, I can read. I can read Bo, and I can read Dude and I can read 69, Neil, Fan, and The Other Fan.

I do not need Bo to read Dude for me any more than I need Fan to read The Other Fan for me.

I have a lawyer relative. Semi-smart. He tells me, in court, guys often say what others say. Is same as not knowing what to say, so, Why Say It? 

Grow up, Bo. 

mrs. ziik used to teach 4th grade. She moved up to 5th grade, because of third party commentary like yours:

"mrs. ziik? You know what miss bo and miss beep and miss mary said about you? They said  'mrs. ziik is a whore, a slut and a prostitute!!!' What are you going to do about that, mrs. ziik?"

"Nothing. I am glad their word usage is increasing." 

Get over Dude, Bo. Concentrate on The. Bring board GW Hoops news.

 

 

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bobo6/23/2017 7:27:48 PM

Again the problem with that theory, Greenpoint, is that Illinois wasn't any good the last 4 years.  It's not like Williams was on some super talented team and couldn't get on the floor because of all the talent in front of him.  He was on a very average team but still couldn't get any time.  That's the red flag.  

Still I'd take him at GW becuase it's worth the gamble but, as FQ points out, the spin is too much to take. If someone can praise a player for what his HS ratings were 3 years ago but buckle against even posting his stats in college the last 2 years, we can't treat that analysis very seriously.

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the dude6/23/2017 7:42:42 PM

Illinois last year was a Big 10, NCAA bubble team.  Won 20 games, out of the Big 10.  RPI 64, #33 in their OOC games.  They destroyed VCU, e.g.   Won 2 NIT games. 10 top 100 wins.

High major programs, even so-so ones get a lot of talent.  Indiana, for instance, for all of their recent struggles leading to the Crean firing, had a lot of guys transfer out who were barely playing, and play really well a step down.  You can have a lot of talent (relative to the A10 at least) and still end up a 20 win NIT team in the Big 10.

Its just another level of talent.  If we land a Big 10 transfer, how much do you think they would have played there? 

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desperation6/23/2017 8:03:20 PM

The propaganda surrounding this documented underperforming, lazy player is too much. Same with the Mojo hiring. Intelligent people can see right through this. Nobody wants to admit that crucial decisions were solely made based on financial reasons. Period. That doesn't help fundraising efforts now does it, Patrick?

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thomas6/23/2017 8:34:11 PM

I agree with The Dude's point that even the so-so BCS programs get a lot of talent. A school like Illinois(for the most part) hasn't been landing top 40 players which is why their last 2 coaches have been fired and they've been average to below average for about a decade now, but most of their roster is still made up of top 40-150 guys(like D.J.Williams) who are almost always out of reach for every A-10 school not named Dayton, Rhode Island or VCU. So when one of these top 40-150 guys transfers down to the A-10, there should be a pretty high level of optimism and excitement about what he can do, regardless of what he did at his previous BCS school.  

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greenpoint ny6/23/2017 8:43:18 PM

Bobo how can you even make the argument he was on an average team and we can't go on his previous scouting report? Red flag? Maybe he didn't buy into the coaching and or vision. We can go on forever trying to figure it out. Bottom line is we are rebuilding with a new young coach. For all the analysts and talent evaluators on this board - be fucking happy he came because we need as much talent as possible to keep up. As much as it burns my ass to say this but vcu, rhode, St. Louis, and Dayton are way ahead of the pack when it comes to recruiting. 

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ziik the peasant6/23/2017 8:52:19 PM

Thomas: basketball smarts, with no axe to grind. 

The guy's posts always are welcome.

We all thank you, Thomas.

Greenpoint--good posts and points

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rich maiera6/23/2017 9:11:03 PM

Bobo, how many times have you seen DJ play in person? on the tube? are games determined by stats or how the player performs on the court? I don't believe Zeke's stats at Villanova would have predicted his great play at GW. All the comparisons to former Colonials make no sense when probably only a few here have seen him play at Illinois.

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the dude6/23/2017 9:42:09 PM

Zeke and Creek both.  Creek, as a 4th year Junior played 7 minutes a game, 24 games, averaged 1+ pts per game, the year before lighting it up for GW.

Thomas, well stated. You too Green. Even the Peasant gets this.

 

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maine colonial6/23/2017 9:44:49 PM

Once Matt Johnson puts 15 pounds on D.J., he'll be another Mike Hall...I'm an eternal optimist. 

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fredd6/23/2017 9:52:35 PM

Jeez new coach heading a program that has to be easy to recruit against lands a good looking transfer from a Power 5 program . What's wrong with that? At least it proves in this instance the new guy makes a highly defendable get. Skepticism and tamping down exspectations is warranted. But hell we need athletes bc athletes MIGHT be able to play enough defense. Ok bitch about guys with no pedagree. This guy has one. And look I understand paper don't play and we are going to SUCK next year so I choose for legitimate reasons to cheer this success.

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good get6/24/2017 12:10:56 AM

If he were eligible this coming season, that would be nice.  Unfortunately, he's going to have a front row seat for the oncoming debacle:

"D.J. Williams played just 12 total minutes in the final 19 games of the 2016-17 season. The 6-foot-7 guard had 16 DNPs in that span, and a possible transfer ranked among the most speculated Illinois basketball subjects from mid-January into the offseason after the Illini coaching change.

That speculation ended Monday night with Illinois announcing Williams would transfer from the program and had been given a full release.

“After meeting with D.J., we came to the decision that a fresh start is in his best interest,” Illinois coach Brad Underwood said in a release. “We wish him success with the next chapter of his career.”
Williams will have two years of eligibility remaining. He posted a note on Twitter about his transfer late Monday night.

“After doing a lot of thinking and praying, I have come to the decision to transfer from the University of Illinois,” his note read. “It was a difficult choice but it is what is best for me at this time. I want to thank everyone at the University of Illinois, Illini Nation, and the coaching staff for everything they have done for me. This has been an unforgettable experience and I am grateful for everything I have learned.”

Illinois now has just nine scholarship players on its roster for the 2017-18 season, including three incoming players in the 2017 class, after Williams’ transfer. That leaves four open scholarships for Underwood.

 

Williams played in 14 of the first 16 games this past season, hitting double-digit minutes six times. He took a “temporary leave” from the team before the Jan. 11 home win against Michigan, which was called a “mutual decision” between Williams and then-coach John Groce.

 

“It’s personal, so I’m sensitive to that,” Groce said at the time. “If it’s personal to him, then it’s personal to me. It’s going to stay that way.”

Williams returned to the team two days after taking his leave, but barely came off the bench in the final two months of the season. He played three minutes at Michigan on Jan. 21, four minutes in Illinois’ blowout loss to Michigan in the second round of the Big Ten tournament and five minutes in the first round of the NIT against Valparaiso.

Williams averaged 2.3 points per game in 17 appearances this past season. He averaged a similar 2.1 ppg as a freshman, although in 29 games including 12.1 minutes per game in Big Ten play."

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bobo6/24/2017 12:27:14 AM

The Zeke and Creek comparisons have already been refuted but keep bringing them up.  That's not to say Williams can't be a good player at GW but both Zeke and Creek were better perfomers at their respective schools with more defined skill sets than Williams displayed so far.  

And I like Matt Johnson too but it's not like the University of Illinois doesn't also have a nice weight room with a professional strength and condidtioning coordinator.  Somebody mentioned earlier that they are in the Big 10.

 

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the dude6/24/2017 12:40:20 AM

Oh, thought you were a stats guy.  When Creek signed with GW, he was a 5th year senior, coming off a year with lesser stats than DJ, who was a 2nd year Soph. Zeke scored 2 pts/game. Creek 1.7/game.  Creek with all those injuries was seen as a good gamble for GW.  DJ, with all of his talent, seems like a good gamble too.

Funny Bobo, you seem to have adopted a rather starkly different approach ever since GW elevated/hired Mojo.  

steven6/24/2017 1:02:09 AM

what do mojo and Hobbs have in common where Lonergan is different ? Just asking questions Bobo.

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100.16.50.166/24/2017 1:05:22 AM

Creek was a gamble strictly because of injury but looked like an a star for Indiana before his injuries scoring 16 pts a game his freshman year. Williams never looked very good for Illinois.  GW worked out Creek before signing him and he was supposively excellent in those workouts (thus proving he was healthy again after his injuries).

Facts are subborn things, dude.

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bobo6/24/2017 1:06:14 AM

Did both of them fuck your wife, Steve? If not, I don't know.

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bobo6/24/2017 1:07:44 AM

Let's throw Jarvis into the mix too, Steve.  Maybe he plowed your mother.

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the mv6/24/2017 7:27:15 AM

Dude, please read the 1:05 am post from this thread.  Then, read it again, then one more time please.  Then, please stop suggesting that DJ's circumstance was the same as Creek's.  The reasons why each did not play much in their final big 10 seasons were for entirely different reasons.

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the dude6/24/2017 2:08:43 PM

Guys can barely play at a very high level and thrive 2 years later at a step down, there are hundreds of examples, just focusing on the last few BCS, GW transfers, even though they parallel fairly well doesn't make much sense. Take the case of Semi Ojele:

Season School Conf G MP FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS   Awards
2013-14 Duke ACC 17 4.7 0.4 0.8 .500 0.2 0.4 .429 0.2 0.4 .571 0.6 0.6 .909 0.9 0.1 0.2 0.2 0.3 0.4 1.6    
2014-15 Duke ACC 6 10.5 0.8 3.0 .278 0.2 0.3 .500 0.7 2.7 .250 0.7 1.2 .571 2.3 0.2 0.5 0.0 0.0 1.8 3.0    
2016-17 SMU AAC 35 34.1 6.0 12.2 .488 3.9 7.3 .531 2.1 4.9 .424 4.9 6.3 .785 6.8 1.5 0.4 0.4 1.4 1.8 18.9   AAC POY
Career Overall   58 23.1 3.8 7.9 .480 2.4 4.6 .528 1.4 3.4 .415 3.2 4.1 .785 4.6 1.0 0.4 0.3 0.9 1.4 12.2    
  Duke   23 6.2 0.5 1.4 .375 0.2 0.4 .444 0.3 1.0 .348 0.6 0.8 .778 1.3 0.1 0.3 0.2 0.2 0.7 2.0    
  Southern Methodist   35 34.1 6.0 12.2 .488 3.9 7.3 .531 2.1 4.9 .424 4.9 6.3 .785 6.8 1.5 0.4 0.4 1.4 1.8 18.9  

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the dude6/24/2017 2:11:48 PM

Luke Fischer, I could post 50, but 2 will suffice, you get the point:

Season School Conf G MP FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2013-14 Indiana Big Ten 13 10.0 1.2 2.1 .556 1.2 2.1 .556 0.0 0.0   0.5 0.7 .778 2.1 0.3 0.1 0.8 0.5 1.2 2.8
2014-15 Marquette Big East 24 29.3 4.4 7.3 .609 4.4 7.2 .613 0.0 0.0 .000 2.2 3.8 .582 4.8 0.9 0.5 2.2 1.8 3.4 11.0
2015-16 Marquette Big East 33 28.2 4.8 7.9 .608 4.8 7.9 .608 0.0 0.0   2.5 3.7 .680 6.2 1.0 0.4 1.4 1.8 2.9 12.1
2016-17 Marquette Big East 32 24.0 4.7 7.3 .647 4.7 7.3 .647 0.0 0.0   1.6 2.7 .588 5.9 1.2 0.6 1.7 1.2 3.4 10.9
Career Overall   102 24.8 4.2 6.8 .619 4.2 6.8 .620 0.0 0.0 .000 1.9 3.0 .629 5.2 0.9 0.5 1.6 1.4 3.0 10.3
  Indiana   13 10.0 1.2 2.1 .556 1.2 2.1 .556 0.0 0.0   0.5 0.7 .778 2.1 0.3 0.1 0.8 0.5 1.2 2.8
  Marquette   89 27.0 4.7 7.5 .622 4.7 7.5 .623 0.0 0.0 .000 2.1 3.3 .624 5.7 1.0 0.5 1.7 1.6 3.2 11.4
 

haha6/24/2017 2:30:04 PM

Funny that both examples Dude picked played double digit minutes per game at their first schools before transferring.  Both guys decided to transfer in late December. Fischer played 19 minutes and scored 10 points his final game.  Ojeleye played 15 minutes and scored 6 in his final game.  It's not the same. 

the dude6/24/2017 2:52:27 PM

Semi, Fischer and DJ all played 10 minutes a game.  All were top 40 National recruits.  All were not pleased with playing time.  All left/sort of left halfway through their final season at high majors. The first two thrived at a step down.

Do their middle names need to align for the comp to hold some water?

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long suffering fan6/24/2017 3:31:34 PM

Dude...Both Creek and Williams are/were gambles by GW.  Mo Creek had already established himself as a player before the string of injuries.  We gambled on his being healthy and it payed off.  DJ Williams has never established himself as a player at the college level.  We are gambling on his potential.   The comparison by poor numbers prior to transferring is illusory.  This are vastly different situations.

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long suffering fan6/24/2017 3:33:41 PM

Steven...I generally don't call out individual posters, but this is twice you have called Bobo a racist with absolutely no basis for doing so.  You need to stop that crap.

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thinker6/24/2017 3:40:18 PM

All recruits end up being one degree or another of "we'll have to see." One can be more or less optimistic but everything in life is TDB. I was super surprised how productive Matt Hart ended up after tranferring from a DIII school as a walkon. Sina ended up not having the impact I expected. Who knows?

I think it's hard to see DJ's tenure at Illinois as anything other than great promise out of HS derailed by some type of personal issues. Sometimes things don't work out because the player just isn't that good or because it wasn't the right situation or the player needed a change of scenary or whatever. If things always worked out great there would never be a transfer. So it's not saying that much that things didn't work out according to plan for DJ at Illinois.

Whatever it was, I hope that DJ can find himself with the help of MoJo and have a great second part to his college career.

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the dude6/24/2017 3:53:58 PM

They need not nor will never be identical, you can nitpick any comparison, the point is that plenty of guys move 1 step down from high majors and thrive.  Creek wasn't magically cured at GW, he wasn't the same player at Indiana post injuries. But even a reduced Creek was plenty good enough for GW. Zeke was just more athletic than most A10 frontcourt guys, unlike most of his Villanova competition.  Frankly, DJ, Fischer and Semi have closer back stories than Creek and Zeke, as I said above.  Instead of nitpicking the comps, can you find a guy who was a consensus top 50 HS recruit who didn't do well in the A10/similar level?

Thinker, you may recall I was on the Hart bandwagon pre-arrival, and one of the few voices (only voice?) who questioned Sina's impact.  I think when you lift the hood on guys, you can make some decent predictions.  Hart on film looked like a guy who could play a few minutes at GW, Sina did not look like a high impact player for GW, regardless of his Big East status or playing time at Seton Hall, or meaingless "All freshman team."  DJ, looks like a good A10 player on film, has the physical talent for sure.  Marfo, on film, looked like a guy who had 2 feet of range and was very awkward offensively, and closer to 6'6 than 6'8.  

LSF, I don't see DJ as much of a gamble, I seem him as a likley upgrade from most of the guys we just lost to transfer. Problem is the wait time.

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bobo6/24/2017 4:01:07 PM

Actually it was the 3rd time, LSF, and thanks. 

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ziik the peasant6/24/2017 4:35:03 PM

We be human? We're racists. That's how we all survived and got here.

Out mission, if you accept it, is to civilize ourselves and get over it.

 

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ziik the tentmaker6/24/2017 4:42:04 PM

O-U-R Mission, you ignorant one.

monument6/24/2017 5:31:19 PM

I had the same thought as Steven. 

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bobo6/24/2017 5:34:59 PM

So does anyone have any analyis for DJ Williams on what type of player you think he will be at GW who he most closely compares to?  Athletic wing who doesn't shoot well from distance.  

bobo6/24/2017 6:00:36 PM

Then state your arguement for that Monument. If you want we can meet to discuss at the next home game. My name is Bob Muldoon.  I sit in sectiion  on 214.   I'll point my seet out and a discription of me if you like.  I would expect you to do the same.  This is not a joke.  If you call me a racist have the courage to do so to my face.  Same for you Stephen.  I can also meet you at your home if you aren't planning on going to a game.

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ziik the soothsayer6/24/2017 6:21:59 PM

Bobo

IS is as my nephews say, Bobo: if we are human, we are racists, life is that simple. Civilization, making us all better than human,

Don't agree? Read Malreaux, The Human Condition

Read William Faulkner, Nobel Acceptance speech

Read Ted Williams,Hall of Fame Acceptance speech.

Read U.S. Constitution: accepts slavery, gives political clout to evil slave owners and evil slave states.

But also, acknowledges that slavery is vile and inhumae, ie racist

Same paper, authorizes the Nation to join with other Nations, and to ban the Atlantic Slave Trade in 1808. Sends U.S. Navy to enforce its ban against all. Calls slavers pirates, worst of humankind.

So, racism acknowledged by all, 1808. Still getting civilization to overcome it, 1861.

Names. Names. Names.

Like I said a while back:

mrs. ziik was called "slut, whore prostitute" by misbehaving students 10 years back. She corrected their mis-spellings and pronounciations,then asked them to wash words off bathroom walls.

7 years after, at Graduation, they all held hands. 

If you are racist, so are we all.

Esteemed Great Great Grandfather, basketball and baseball coach, 1928 through 1960. 

Used all bad racist words when he started. Stopped, as he taught and coached.

By 1952, helped Jewish boys wear yarmulkes on team. By 1957, played 3, 4 "Negro" boys on team. Why? He played his best. But, he also played every guy who showed up and practiced.

Life is a mission, like finding new lands in 15th century, like stealing new lands, in 18th, 19th, 20th century. Why?

Who knows. 

Mission is all that matters. How does mission end?

 

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bigfan6/24/2017 6:23:39 PM

Perhaps didn't need to name himself, but  Bobo and LSF are right.

This crap has to stop.

Trying to make people of a different opinion afraid to post for fear of being labeled.

They are trying to claim moral superiority by throwing these loaded terms around, but sadly, are just demeaning to their own tortured selves.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Leave your agenda to your own posts, act like a grown man or woman and stop calling names.

 

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the dude6/24/2017 6:38:16 PM

Hard to limit to just GW, as we've had few athletic wings in recent years.  Physically he's like a blend of Yuta and Swan. Frame is like young Garino.  Has nice handle and quickness, but he's not explosive.  

Limited data shooting wasn't good, but the scouting liked his shooting/scoring ability, so I wonder if that can be corrected. My guess is he will not be a great shooter, but we've seen guys make huge strides from 3, e.g Garino. This dude was a consensus national top 50 prospect with very high major offers.  So, what exactly went wrong at Illinois is an open question.  Frankly, I'd be more concerned if he played 29 minutes and didn't play that well.  So far the results were not close to the consensus analysis of him. Maybe they were wrong, or maybe we haven't yet seen the real DJ:

Williams is a very athletic wing who is wiry and stronger than he appears. He can beat defenders off the bounce and has an excellent mid range game. He can get to the basket on the break and in the half court set where he finishes above the rim.Williams can also hit the open three when his feet are set and in the flow. He welcomes contact and can finish with either hand and or draw fouls.

Weaknesses:
Williams must continue to build strength, be conscious of his shot selection and continue to hone his ball handling skills. Williams could also be more of a factor on the glass given his length and quickness to the ball.

Bottom Line:
Williams scoring versatility is a major problem for perimeter defenders because he can score in the post and extend out to the arc. He simply is wired to put the ball in the basket.

bobo6/24/2017 6:42:34 PM

Still don't really understand why he couldn't get on the court more.  Dude gave an exaple of a player from Duke. But Duke is really good with a ton of tallent.  Illinois was very mediocre the last 2 years so you would think they would give DJ more time on the court because it wasn't working well with the players they had out there.  So was it a personal issue or was it what the coaches saw in practice? 

It would be interesting to see DJ in the Kenner if he will be in DC for the summer. 

the dude6/24/2017 6:58:03 PM

My guess, is that he fell out of favor with the Coaches, as has been alluded to above. Big 10 teams are very deep on talent, even 20-14ish Big 10 teams have guys who don't play much and could do well in the A10.   Again, those Indiana teams had 3 to 4 guys who barely played and transfered out and were great elsewhere a step down.  Hollowell, Stan Robinson, Luke Fischer, etc. They also had 3 or NBA players and still went NIT!

I also gave examples from NIT teams too, which parallel quite well with NIT Illinois teams.  As for Semi, he did get 10 minutes and shot 27% from the field. 1 season later he was a beast, and the AAC player of the year (and NBA draft pick) So poor stats in limited playing time can be overstated, may not well reflect the talent of the player.  

There are 30 other examples, its pretty routine.  But as I wrote, team stars moving up a level or two, have an even better track record, than low playing time, very highly regarded recruits, transfering down a level. Its possible the scouting was just way off.  It would appear that was the case for Marfo and Cimino for instance, that was the clear conclusion.  What other schools were after DJ this time around? I might have missed that amid the sillier part of these threads.

 

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ziiks third cousin twice removed6/24/2017 7:01:07 PM

Ya know those cave paintings over in France, Spain, Germany? The ones painted 35,000 years back by primitive, likely racist, humans, or proto humans? The ones Art Historians, Anthropologists and other say are High Art?

Most likely, the art crowd, the observers, went there, looked at the paintings, pointed and said stuff like:

"That one's got a giant dick!"  "That one was painted by me, no shit, just 230 years back!!" 

"My uncle did them all" 

"That's not Art! This is Art" (And pulls out his dick)

Its a Good Thing, Really, That nobody reads any other guy's post, and thinks. All that stopped on Graduation Day, 1987.

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ziik the bureaucrat6/24/2017 7:02:39 PM

Your post shows paranoia, Uncle. Go get 69ed.

the dude6/24/2017 7:09:13 PM

Cursory search shows DJ had recently visted Xavier and DePaul.

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ahem6/24/2017 7:21:17 PM

More than likely the little man Nero is allowing players with questionable academic ability into the school. The problem is that he could have hired a local assistant high school coach and had more experienced, knowledgeable coaching, and more importantly better results. That's the deciding factor in next season's win-loss record. Unfortunately, GW has the least qualified (but cheapest) coach.

 

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gw future6/25/2017 12:06:40 AM

Bobo relax no serious person here thinks you are a racist ... Steven is the Dude spelled backwards lol. Nobody will be looking you up Bobo precisely because they are internet bullies and real life pussies. And so it goes ...

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bobo6/25/2017 8:41:54 AM

Did ziik just tell his uncle to get 69ed?  

ziik the peasant6/25/2017 11:22:25 AM

The Bureaucrat. Bobo, every family has one, some worse

I think that was him saying "get your head examined by GW Shrink," but, who knows?

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