GW vs FLORIDA ST GAME
the dude
 11/15/2017 10:26:36 PM      Replies: 78

the dude11/12/2017 8:28:23 PM

Florida St on the road in 2 days. We all recall the home game against the super talented FSU team last year.  Blown off the court by the much more athletic team. 

 

If we keep getting more athletic, we figure to able to be more competitive against teams like this athletic (even at our recent peak, very athletic, bad teams, like Depaul gave us troubles) but we're just in the early stages of that process.

 

Thoughts? Things you'd like to see in this game?

bigfan11/12/2017 9:28:20 PM

Well in this case, Kevin Marfo.

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the dude11/12/2017 9:43:03 PM

Marfo did dunk a lot vs FSU last year.  It was mostly late and in garbage time, but it was impressive.  Thought of that watching BoZ's dunk-a-thon game Friday night.

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dmvpiranha11/12/2017 11:38:53 PM

This preview is probably going to be a bit longer than the Howard one as Florida State was a very well-balanced team last year (they had 11 players score at least 100 points last season, with a 12th almost reaching that mark; even their 13th player Brandon Allen who is a walk-on scored nearly 50 points), which means there are a number of players who could make an impact Tuesday should they take the next step. We won't have any game film on this year's team as we are their first opponent this season (which feels a bit late as a season opener).

This Florida State team is probably going to take a huge step back (like NIT-bound and bottom half of the ACC) as all three of their double figure scorers departed early to play professionally. Dwayne Bacon (their leading scorer) and Jonathan Isaac are both in the NBA, averaging roughly 6 points per game for the Charlotte Hornets and Orlando Magic, respectively. Xavier Rathan-Mayes is in the G-league.

Their leading returning scorer is Terance Mann (8.4 ppg). He scored just 6 points on 3-8 shooting against us last year in a team high 31 minutes, but will probably take on a larger load this year. There are a number of potential breakout options after that. PJ Savoy, a former JUCO player from Las Vegas, could emerge as the next go-to option. He also scored 6 points against us on a couple of threes in 12 minutes off the bench which was about his season average although he didn't get much playing time each game. Other potential emerging candidates include: Trent Forrest (4.9 ppg), CJ Walker (4.9 ppg; he had a team high 11 points on 4-7 FG against us), Braian Angola (4.6 ppg; nope I did not spell Brian incorrectly and he's not from Angola but actually Colombia and was also a former JUCO), Christ Koumadje (3.4 ppg; scored 8 against us on 4-6 shooting), and Phil Cofer (just 2.9 ppg but he actually got the start against us).

They will likely see some contributions right away from their 2017 freshmen class that ranked 12th in the nation. The headliner is another Walker whose name is MJ (the Seminoles really seem to like recruiting players with the last name Walker. They have offered another CJ Walker for 2019 and Corey Walker for 2020). MJ Walker is the 21st ranked player in the 2017 class. They also have another top 100 player in center Ikey Obiagu, as well as several other highly-regarded players in guard Anthony Polite, wings Wyatt Wilkes and Mfiondu Kabengele (who red-shirted last year), and forward RaiQuan Gray. 

Especially with this game being on the road against a power conference team, this will be a good experience and test for our young team. Jair and Arnaldo combined to shoot 1-13 against them last year, so they can only be better on Tuesday. Bo faced them his freshman year while still at South Florida, scoring a single point. Yuta and Patrick missed last year's game with injuries. Kevin was actually the only player who shot above 33% and made 6 of our 14 FG all game. If we lose by 15-17 points I would consider that to be alright given that it is at their place, although maybe if it ends up being a blowout we'll be able to see some of the other guys that didn't play Friday.

I'd like to see Jair distribute the ball a bit more and just see crisper ball movement in general. He flashed great court vision last year so I know he's capable of it. Maybe we could also try him more at the 2 (or secondary point) and see what Justin can do in a more active role. Hopefully we get Yuta a few minutes of rest. As I also mentioned in the recap, fewer jump shots and more drives to the rim (Yuta was the only one who I saw make a real effort to do this). It would be nice to see our opponents struggle to guard penetration for once. Florida State is an average three-point shooting team (maybe slightly above average) so we must guard well along the perimeter and force them into taking contested off-balanced shots. Close off all lanes to prevent them from getting to the rim and off the free throw line.

Coming into the season, Florida State is ranked 58th by ESPN, 70th by CBS, and at this second, 56th by KenPom. 

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the dude11/13/2017 1:14:24 AM

Nice breakdown DMV!

Jair is the point guard for the time being, because we hadn't recruited an actual HS PG since 2012, Obama's 1st term.  Next year Shandon arrives, and he'll be competing with Armel Potter and Mazzulla for the Point.  We had 4 HS recruiting classes, no Point Guards.  Even without any transfers leaving the program, we'd still have no natural point guards.

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porter7111/13/2017 8:13:30 AM

That pg stat is totally inaccurate.  GW had 3 point guard recruits since 2012.  One was not very good and transferred (Cartegena), one we all know about (PJ was a point guard coming out of high school and would have been our pg this season) and one never made it on campus (Shawnta's kid).  

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gw future11/13/2017 8:15:25 AM

Of course Dummy Dude conveniently forgets about PJ, you know the one currently starting for Butler. Once again, Dummy Dude is flat out wrong. Stick to photocopying son, it’s way more your speed.

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ziik the senile old man11/13/2017 9:06:28 AM

Fucker fights to remain relevant!

Good luck, Fucker!

You're neck and neck with Roy Moore, but my money is on you, because you know photocopies. Smart guy!

Keep the board free of Cialis ads. support GW Fucker!

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gw future11/13/2017 10:47:42 AM

I guess Ziik likes hanging around with Dummy Dude because by comparison he is way smarter. Ziik I am speaking relatively not in general. Perhaps you are his manager at Kinkos?

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ziik the senile old man11/13/2017 12:18:36 PM

I get the misprints and mistakes, for which I have a market, Fucker.

My guess, you get Roy's rejects, returns and leftovers. If not Roy, then someone just like him. 

Now, two comments a day about your inanity is one more than it deserves, and it exceeds my quota. 

So, you are free to carry on and enjoy your own nonsense.

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gw7211/13/2017 12:43:20 PM

Might lose this one by 40.  Could stick with by February but not this early in the year. 

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gwfan11/13/2017 12:46:50 PM

Porter71-you are right. Darnell and Paul were recruited as point guards. Jaren was also.  Dude purposely avoids posting the facts. Somehow he says zero when the truth is 4 point guards were recruited and 3 could really play.

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gw050911/13/2017 1:12:17 PM

While I would certainly like to see a win, I think a big goal will be just hanging around for as long as possible.  Big difference between losing a game due to mental mistakes and bad execution vs. the other team just being better/having more talent.

the dude11/13/2017 1:52:52 PM

No Point Guards on the roster last year, which is why a 4th year JR who played his entire HS, AAU and College career as an off ball, catch and shoot player, was the PG.  His back up, a 6'4 shooting guard. 

This year that 6'4 shooting guard is the point unless he is beaten out by our Freshman PG recruit, the first since 2012. 

This is quite the formidable opponent Tuesday night.  About as athletic as it gets outisde of the top 5, so we shall see!

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the mv11/13/2017 2:24:14 PM

You do realize that just because there were no point guards on last year's team doesn't mean that no point guards were recruited over the past several years, don't you?  Can you really be this clueless or are you just trying to be difficult?  My money is on the latter.

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long suffering fan11/13/2017 2:43:38 PM

Dude...not sure why you keep saying we did not have a point guard on the team last year.  In fact, we had a point guard who played 32 minutes per game, was our 3rd leading scorer, had a very impressive 2.2-1 assist to turnover ratio (and even more impressive 2.7-1 ratio in conference) and shot a whopping 83.3% from the line, even if he once was a catch and shoot player.  I will take those stats at the point this year in a heartbeat.

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2twotoed11/13/2017 3:02:27 PM

Bolden was a point guard in high school. I watched him play several times. Paul Jorgenson would be a huge upgrade at the point. If he was still at GW I would be pretty excited about this season.

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bigfan11/13/2017 3:08:03 PM

RJ Cole, or whatever his name was, who is much smaller than his listed height and every other small quick guard who is going to beat us this year, as they did last year when were owned by Richmond''s small quick point guard Jones, one believes. really points out one fact about PG recruiting:

We recruited one small quick point guard with a GW basketball blue blood background. For whatever reason, while he was eligible to play according to the NCAA and would have been admitted by probably all other A-10 schools, we decided he couldn't join the team. Darnell's lack of admission for the Japan trip and being left twisting in the wind afterward, really pisses one off. It's not like we were taking a chance on someone off the street. His father is a GW graduate and Hall of Famer.

Frankly fans were being screwed solely because of entertainment value for four years that we were deprived of, but also Darnell as a player who could give us some good minutes, possibly a lot of them.

Jaren would have played this year, if not for the upheaval. PJ might not play point at Butler, but was a fine point guard. He just had too many good players ahead of him, though wish Paulie was used more.  Turns out PJ  is a fine player, too as some of us knew, despite some reports here.

Jair was recruited as a point guard. He wasn't our first choice, Mineland was, but the view was we would take him. Hopefully this motivates hims to be a better point guard. Jair is a player; he just needs to look for his teammates, particularly Terry. Justin may be a decent point guard.

We had plenty of point guard candidates and actual players, especially counting transfers.

Wasn't Alex Mitola a point guard, too? Seems like he was recruited to GW and handled the ball pretty well.

 

 

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bo knows11/13/2017 4:00:14 PM

Obviously the Dude is trying to instigate here blatantly ignoring Jorgensen, Mitola, Sina, Rogers and Jair. Not to mention several others we tried to recruit and missed on. But he is into anything to make a mindless point and unprovoked slap at ML. Then he will wonder aloud why we can't just talk basketball here. 

 

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ziik the bomb thrower11/13/2017 4:13:02 PM

So, everything that has gone wrong the past 4 years has been Dude's fault?

Damn.

He must be the evil pantload Herve always warns us about.

I feel so naive. 

Who is representing ML in his legal action against Dude? He's got a slam dunk!

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the dude11/13/2017 4:28:17 PM

GW is going to see a lot of packed in zone this year.  Howard rolled it out, FSU which has an athletic mismatch, might as well, just because range shooting is going to a challenge.  He didn't hit them, but I liked that Toro took open 3s,  we are going to need that this year.  Going to need some of that from Steeves too.  Javy perhaps as the season progresses could give a few Mikic like minutes, because his shot looked pretty pure and he can shoot over zones. 

Got a few fast break buckets Friday, and looked to push on most rebounds, a real departure from recent seasons.  Some fast breaks points could help offset some shooting struggles.  When Yuta or TNJr grabbed a board, they were looking to break, we're a roster in transition, I could see in the near future actualy being an actual up tempo team.

 

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the dude11/13/2017 4:28:53 PM

GW is going to see a lot of packed in zone this year.  Howard rolled it out, FSU which has an athletic mismatch, might as well, just because range shooting is going to a challenge.  He didn't hit them, but I liked that Toro took open 3s,  we are going to need that this year.  Going to need some of that from Steeves too.  Javy perhaps as the season progresses could give a few Mikic like minutes, because his shot looked pretty pure and he can shoot over zones. 

Got a few fast break buckets Friday, and looked to push on most rebounds, a real departure from recent seasons.  Some fast breaks points could help offset some shooting struggles.  When Yuta or TNJr grabbed a board, they were looking to break, we're a roster in transition, I could see in the near future actualy being an actual up tempo team.

the dude11/13/2017 4:34:45 PM

Sina did the best job he could, he's not a natural PG.  Neither is Jair, but I like Jair's game, and I also think he's playing well given his natural skill set.  They are not, natural, innate Point Guards.  Some guys by nature and skill set look to distribute to others and run an offense, others are wired to look for their own shot.

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free quebec11/13/2017 4:52:36 PM

I swear the Dude’s posts are like watching Fox News.  Everything is about his narrative no matter what.  And GW future doesn’t help   Just let it go man.  

 

For what its worth, I hope teams play a packed in zone against us because I think we are in worse shape against ball pressure, at least early in the season. 

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bo knows11/13/2017 5:29:51 PM

Have to agree with FQ, ball pressure presents a bigger problem than a packed zone at this point in time  I also worry about presses. We do not look real confident at breaking them yet.

I expect both Shandon and Armel to help with that in the future but this year we have limited ballhandling options - Bolden, Mazzulla, Nolan from what I can see.

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ziik the bomb thrower11/13/2017 5:58:49 PM

Unlike every poster other than my uncle,***  FQ is correct 100% of the time on all issues, and has been since 2001.

I had not quite realized that Dude is such an evil pantload as to be wrong 100% of the time, and also that he is a total jerk. So, I am entirely kosher with dumping on the guy as soon as I read D-u- next time (I recognoze no 'The's').

Dude, be forewarned. Our GW diplomas authorize us, in fact require us, to take a dump on you, be as nasty as we can be, no matter what you say, as long as you post as Dude.

So, feel free to Post as Bo, Fucker, anybody other than D-u-    No, skip that..

Just watch your step. PJ left because of you. ML yelled at guys because of you, Nero went ove to the other team because of you, the past two GWU Presidents and AD's left because of you. 

Evil Pantload is thy name.

 

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free quebec11/13/2017 6:37:37 PM

Agreed Bo.  Next year ball pressure shouldn’t be much of a problem with two quick PGs on board, but since we are transitioning to a team of athletic guards and wings who might not be great shooters, next year packed zones or pack line man become a potentially bigger problem. That and tough frontcourts, but fortunately we don’t face too many of those (especially with A10 in a brief downturn). 

the dude11/13/2017 6:38:00 PM

Ziik, sadly true.

Not a narrative, a statement of obvious fact.  You can trace back to the first thread about Jair, I've been among his largest backer here, but he's not a natural PG and he was considered a 2G prospect out of HS.  The team did in fact play better when the switch was made to Jair to play PG last year, because slow footed, catch and shoot Sina is even less of a natural fit at the point.  FQ, you are actually the narrative guy.  It used to be, no one should express any concern, the future is super bright.  That's a narrative.  I post observations that's what a message board is for.

Armel Potter is a PG, Mazzulla is a PG, Shandon Brown is a PG, Joe Mac was a PG.  Alex Mitola, PG.  Great back up for 1 year. Natural Point guards, look to distribute the ball first, not pull up jumper or catch and shoot off ball.

The last 4 years of HS guard recruits:

Nick Griffin, Darian Bryant, PJ, Roland, Juice Williams, Jair.   Not sure what you'd call Miguel.  PG I guess.  Do GW fans not think, the reason for the issues at the Point position the last 2 seasons, are a result of that collection of Guard recruits? I'm asking the GW fan base, not the "I reflexively disagree with The Dude on every post" troika.  We know your response before you type it.  This is for the GW fan base, you know, the point of the board?

 

 

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ziik the bomb thrower11/13/2017 6:41:48 PM

Evil pantload post.

Miguel? Another evil pantload, He forced ML to give him a schollie. 

porter7111/13/2017 7:09:37 PM

Dude,

No to your question for the fans, because most of the players you mention were never meant to be point guards.

Nick Griffin was a shooting guard.  He was supposed to be a three point specialist that would give Savage a break and provide instant offense. He was never meant to be a point guard.

Darian Bryant was a hybrid SG / SF in the manner (but not the talent) of Chris Monroe.  I don't see a situation where he was going to be a PG.

Roland was not point guard.  He was meant as a scorer.  He put up huge numbers in high school.

Juice - Never seen him player, so no idea.  I'll give you that one.

Jair - I think in ML's head, he was meant as a SG.  I think we he put last years class together, the thought was by the time they were seniors, Rogers would be the PG, Jair the SG, Toro the wing, Smith at PF with Marfo at Center. 

The reason we have depth problems at PG is because none of our PGs made it to campus or stayed.  I think in the ML plan, the last two years you have PJ, Sina and Rogers to play point guard.  However, PJ left (likely because of issues with ML), Sina wasn't the greatest fit at PG and also left (likely because of the current state of the program) and Rogers never was admitted.  That is why we have no PG depth.   

 

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bigfan11/13/2017 7:11:39 PM

Let's try this nicely. If you can't say I was wrong, perhaps at least say, I see your point.

More collegial that way.

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bigfan11/13/2017 7:13:36 PM

Porter 71 provides good insight and facts for the above post.

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the dude11/13/2017 11:40:56 PM

Good post Porter! Agreed, appreciate the thoughts!

the dude11/14/2017 12:16:49 AM

Not exactly this collection of Guards:

EC Mathews, Jarvis Garrett, Daron Russel, Jared Terrell, Stan Robinson and Jeff Dowtin, the last 2 right out of our backyard.

I'd put that collection of Guards up against most in the Nation. If we had, 1/3 of that half dozen, on our roster, we'd be in pretty good shape this year.

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the mv11/14/2017 9:39:01 AM

So transfers like Robinson count when you're singing URI's praises but when you're consistently condemning GW's recruiting, all you care about are high school recruits?  Sure, that makes sense.

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bo knows11/14/2017 10:05:07 AM

All that great recruiting at URI and they have one NCAA win to show for it in 5 years. That an a .544 overall winning percentage and .500 in Conference over that period. Yes that is exactly what GW wants 1/3 of lol.

And yes, Dude, before you go there ... I would take an NIT Championship any day of the week and twice on Sundays over a first round win in NCAA.

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am11/14/2017 12:08:17 PM

ESPN has a line up : -16.5

mentzinger11/14/2017 12:16:58 PM

Down from -17.5

the mv11/14/2017 12:35:33 PM

I sincerely hope you all mean +16.5 and not -16.5 for GW.  Because if GW is GIVING 16.5 tonight, my deep-seated allegiance will sorely be tested.  (Am sure you mean +16.5).

rich maier11/14/2017 1:03:07 PM

MV, few days ago you gave a lesson on how the spread is established. Today another spread lesson. Almost everyone's allegiance would be tested if GW gave 16.5.Keep up the good work. 

colonial7711/14/2017 1:06:09 PM

Javi shoots a three in the last minute GW covers spread. 

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the dude11/14/2017 2:52:53 PM

Hard to match up with a team this athletic. 

1. More 1-3-1 zone tonight?

2.  At Florida St.  Last year, got blown off the floor at home.  The goal tonight has to be some good performances and clawing to be competitive. I'd be pleased if either of those things happen, more emphasis on the former.

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bigfan11/14/2017 3:30:02 PM

This reminds one of the Saturday Night Live skit with the Lowered Expectations dating service.

We're hoping to beat the spread.

A couple of years ago, with our demonstrably horrible recruits as very repeatedly noted here, we would have actually beat them. Like we did Florida, Wichita State, UVA,Seton Hall, Tennessee, Penn State etc.

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ziik the bomb thrower11/14/2017 3:38:07 PM

That Seton Hall team is grown up this season, BF. One NYC paper said they are a Final 4 team. Well, of course they are, they are a metro NY team!

Personally, I always have wondered: why go to school there?  

I may take a nap tonight. I lost all my money on GW-Howard, so, I am eating dig biscuits. I used to enjoy them as a kid. 

 

 

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ziik the bomb thrower11/14/2017 3:54:27 PM

I better wear the eyeglasses. 

Dog biscuits, not dig biscuits.

I better be careful. 

 

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jae11/14/2017 5:15:46 PM

Channel 578 in howard county Md

pkgw11/14/2017 6:40:09 PM

Anticipate a loss by 15.  Would be much closer if in the Smith or neutral court where we beat those teams that BigFan mentions.

Too thin at Bench and too early in season to be competitive this game I fear. 

greenpoint ny11/14/2017 7:43:10 PM

In case I missed it. Why are we playing a short bench?

mg1411/14/2017 8:35:58 PM

Terry Nolan dunk

https://twitter.com/LiveTo_100/status/930596216228007936

rkelley11/14/2017 8:51:57 PM

Yuta is still the second best player on this team, unfortunately there's no longer a first-best player. His shot looks aweful. If he's our leader and the best we can do, we're a 12-win team.

Toro is doofy. Goes about 50% in the post, misses some easy boards, gets pushed around. Not really a reliable offensive toolset, good for junk sometimes.

Nolan is exciting, he's fast, he can certainly penetrate and score, but he's small and offers zero use on defense. What a shame we lost Jordan Roland. On this team his defense is far superior, and his ability to score from deep could've netted him 15 ppg efficiently this year. He's a painful loss.

Steeves remains at the level of an adequate 6th man on a competitive A-10 team. He's not a starter unless we're a 12-win team, Anyone with adequate athleticism blows past him on defense, and he's easily pushed around on the boards. Marginal offensive skillset.

Mazzulla looks to be years away from being a decent player if ever.

Bo Zeigler is exciting, we should see more of him.

Jair looks like a solid player now. He'd be a nice 2 guard or backup pointguard on a good team. He's probably our second best player but that's not saying much.

Nothing else of note. This team doesn't look good. Losing BOTH Jordan Roland and Collin Smith is a travesty given the remaining talent.

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rkelley11/14/2017 8:53:36 PM

Yeah I'd say 10-12 wins.

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casual fan11/14/2017 9:00:24 PM

Terry Nolan Jr can't help on defensive what games have you been watching? Smh.  Terry playing off raw talent but has toughness, grit with skill set. Announcer said Nolan Jr is stud against ACC team. He's got continue to improve as 3 point shooter. Roland was overrated not close the player as Nolan Jr . Problem is no true Pg or rim protector.  

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clipboard11/14/2017 9:03:39 PM

Team battled at times but we have some huge deficits.

Bolden is not a PG and he is selfish. The guy looked off TNJ, Yuta and others multiple times. He is a coach killer unless he learns to play as a PG.

Ziegler is very limited as a player. If there isn’t a lane for a dunk he has nothing to offer.

Not Toro’s best night but I still have hope for him.

Terry is the athlete we have been missing for years. He still makes freshman mistakes but damn those dunks were nice!

Yuta needs to become a leader and fast. He is still in his Robin role looking for Batman. Tyler is gone Yuta...this is your team now.

Not impressed with Maceo or Justin so far. Hopefully Potter, Williams and the three recruits can play right away next year.

 

 

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rkelley11/14/2017 9:09:57 PM

@Casual Fan, shaking my head at youy talent evaluation ability. Roland is a far better shooter and defender, and has at least adequate size for an A10 guard/wing player. Nolan is tiny and will offer zero in the way of defense. Unless he shows he can pass and shoot from range, you have a small slashing two-guard. Not exactly a core player on a good team. 

 

"Team battled at times". Lol. How do you know? Florida is far bigger and better, but I didn't see any exceptional grit or hustle by GW. Toro and Steeves looked flat-out lazy, getting walked past defensively and allowing 2,3,4 re-tries on the boards multiple times. Yuta looked unfocused. 

This team sucks. There's maybe 1 or 2 starting-caliber players on a competitive A10 team--Yuta and Jair. Everyone else is a role player, a bench player, a deep bench player or a division-III player. Roland and Collin Smith would've made a HUGE difference. HUGE. I estimate +3-5 wins. This is a 10-12 win team if we're lucky.

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rkelley11/14/2017 9:15:29 PM

The problem is a lack of talent. It's not a bad mix of ingredients, it's a lack of ingredients. I falt the recruiting and the totally idiotic Lonergan incident and the horrible management by the AD and brass. This program fell off a cliff after Lonergan left. A cliff. I'm not just saying pure results-wise, though that is the case and will be evident by the end of this year, but just by the recruiting and gameplan. This team is unpolished, zero identity. Lonergan's teams were always polished with a mature gameplan and he handpicked recruits that fit his system. While he mostly hovered in the 2-3 star range, and therefore is apt to miss a great deal, he found a bunch of diamonds in the rough--Garino, McDonald, Yuta, Savage, Roland, Smith and then got great transfers in Mitola, Hart and obviously Cavanaugh. This team is a mishmash, mostly of leftovers, and has been gutted of talent. There's massive holes in the front and back court, and there are downright bad players set to play major minutes.

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dave11/14/2017 9:17:19 PM

Reality is to run plays for Yuta. Unfortunately, if you recall from last year, MoJo doesn't do that. You need a transcendent talent on the caliber of TyCav to just say "F You" to the "play calling" and just jack it up. TyCav is a stat suffer regardless of offensive execution/coaching. This squad is not. Yuta should be taking 15-20 shots a game. Nobody else is going pro whatsoever.

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clipboard11/14/2017 9:21:48 PM

RKelley you drunk, on drugs or didn’t watch the game? Three possible explanations for your analysis. Pick one. Any one.

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yinka dont stinka11/14/2017 9:37:48 PM

Good effort. Simply a men against boys scenario.  Feel bad for Yuta, but we are already playing for next year. The ML scandal has definitely hurt the program, but I have some hope for MoJo.  Next year will be his first real recruiting class.  Tough to recruit when your interim coach.  Nolan is an excellent start.  A lot will depend on the development of DJ Williams and Potter.  MOJO must bring in 2 more big men next year to go along with Littles. One frosh and one big man immediately eligible transfer. He or an assistant need to be in constant touch with Policelli selling him on their vision for GW. Baby steps, but there is a glimmer of hope out there.

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dave11/14/2017 9:38:13 PM

Sorry, was in the midst of signing off but saw "fake news" and my GW deduction skills kicked in.  The "polished with a mature game plan" teams left with the old coach. Can we admit the obvious? We're not pulling off upsets anytime in the near future unless...

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gwb11/14/2017 9:56:57 PM

R Kelley. Your analysis is almost as bad as Rob Kelley has been running for the Skins. But clearly that’s what you are going for so it makes sense.

Jordan Roland was legit listed at 6’1 171. Terry Nolan is the far superior athlete. 

TNJ has had 2 steals in each of our 3 games and a couple blocks.

Did you not see his 2 dunks tonight? He’s fearless going against a Florida State ACC team in his 3rd career game. 

Seriously what are you looking at

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rkelley11/14/2017 11:06:56 PM

@GWB my analysis? Nolan had 4 turnovers and was a joke defensively while showing absolutely no ability to pass or shoot the ball. You saw a dunk and you think he's Michael Jordan. 

What you just said is a bunch of demogoguery, fluff and bullshit. Referring to height listings, yay science! If you had an expertise in basketball, this is cut and dry, and if you had an expertise in analytics you'd have far more respect for Roland and wouldn't be so quick to jump on the Terry Nolan train after 2 shitshow games. "Fearless!?" Yeah, Florida was fearless running through him and shooting over him all night.

If we're pretending to be a competitive A10 team this year, there are 2 starting caliber players--Yuta and Jair. And Jair is fringy at this point. The rest are role players and developmental gambles. Wake up.

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rkelley11/14/2017 11:09:14 PM

When we had Cavanaugh, Garino, Joe McDonald, Alex Mitola, Jordan Roland, Collin Smith and Matt Hart a bunch of you knuckleheads were whining about our lack of athleticism. Well here you go, you have a bunch of kids flying down the court and doing alley-oop dunks while showing absolutely zero ability to shoot, pass, rebound or play defense. You got what you wanted, a super-athletic 10-win team. Bravo!

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rkelley11/14/2017 11:14:14 PM

@Dave is right. MoJo isn't going to coach us out of a hole. TyCav was last year's coach. His ability to lead the team and his insane outlier talent is the reason we were competitive. He is this program's best player in history and probably the 1st-to-fifth best player in conference history. 

Without that leader and insane talent, this team sucks. MoJo didn't recruit anyone, the AD burnt the program's image to the ground and removed the best thing we've had going for it maybe ever in ML, and now we're stuck with a shallow group of role players and developmental gambles and raw, non-technical coach who most likely isn't going to get a lot extra out of these guys. Sad truth, the program fell off a cliff.

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casual fan11/14/2017 11:29:35 PM

No disrespect to Jordan Roland, but he can't hold Terry Nolan Jr jock strap.  Terry scored tonight at will against high major athletes with no True PG helping him out. He's been impact on and off the court for GW.  Embrace him and show him love. He's the type player that other kids will want to play with. 

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lalaw11/14/2017 11:32:56 PM

It's going to be a long season.

Howard made it a game and kept it within single digits. Howard! The same team that Gonzaga blew out by 37 tonight!

The days of beating BCS teams is over.

Mojo isn't qualified to coach in high school. No fault of his - of course he's not going to turn down the opportunity of a lifetime. Where the hell was the coaching tonight? The substitutions that could have stopped the slaughter and changed momentum?

We have a couple of softies on the schedule before Vegas. Lets see what the coaches can do.

Heard ML ejoyed watching the game from his vacation home (after hitting the lottery courtesy of GW).

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lalaw11/14/2017 11:34:20 PM

Let's hope Nolan Jr doesn't transfer after going through this season!

rkelley11/14/2017 11:48:12 PM

No disprespect to Nolan, I see some good things there. It's just absurd how all of you are touting him as a "star" after 2 games. He scored 3 points in 34 minutes against Howard, and yes he scored 18 tonight in a blowout loss while nobody was paying attention to him. He has 8 turnovers and 6 personal fouls in 2 games and he's 1/8 shooting from 3. Slow down. He'll shine, but it's easy to shine in a see of mediocrity and our seas aren't even that good.

After these two pathetic performances, more departures and a fruitless recruiting crop, the willingness to see some good is nice, but this is sad. Rooting for squash and raving about this type of performance.

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161.253.2.24411/15/2017 12:08:22 AM

R Kelley can you fuck off 

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bigfan11/15/2017 12:11:17 AM

RKelley has some very valid points about how we got here, blown out by Fla. State two years in a row.

We pissed away probably the best thing we had in a longtime coach. And a small,fast point guard was collateral damage. Smith, Roland and certainly Marfo were missed this game and were not used well last year.

TyCav was probably the most vocal assistant coach last year and coach on the court.

And the so- called other Lonergan recruiting failures have already done well against good-level competition this year.

However, Terry Nolan is a real  player and fine young man and while he is subject to a learning curve like any freshman, very glad to have him, particularly tonight and overall. Mojo has his clear deficiencies due to a lack of experience mostly, especially on display against Fla. State. However, Terry Nolan, Jr was an excellent find by him.

Know who from Baltimore Terry Nolan reminds one of: MIKE KING.

 

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capitalcolonial11/15/2017 12:11:52 AM

For someone in analytics, your rush to predicition of our remaining season/a determination of our personel and coaching based on a sample size of two seems to be a bit hasty. Why not discuss overall performance and predictions once the OOC is finished to make a more fair analysis.

Also what metrics are you using to quantify the performance of coach joseph. You say he can't coach a high school team but provide no statistical evidence other than a slow start on a limited sample and expressing displeasure at him. In addition what evidence do you have that Tyler was the defacto coach of the Colonials other than baseless speculation.

Subnote to both sides: Is it really fair to compare Terry and Jordan due to circumstances for their freshman year and due to Terry's limited sample size currently. 

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gwfan11/15/2017 1:00:55 AM

Can we get the Shandon Brown kid up here now? Like ASAP. 

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lt11/15/2017 11:41:58 AM

The good news is that we still have three unused timeouts from last night's game.  Not sure if we can carry them over-lol.

Might have made sense to have used them last night to stop some of the runs.

 

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bo knows11/15/2017 12:46:36 PM

I liked both Terry and Jordan ... don't know why it would have to be one or the other. We could use them both.

Not sure what the timeouts were going to accomplish. They were bigger, more athletic and deeper. Mojo tried changing defenses and I think that kept us in the game for awhile, especially at the beginning of the second half. Believe it or not, I felt we were more competitive this year even though the margin was greater. Last year we trailed with 7 minutes to go by as many as 35 before going on a 18-2 run in garbage time. This year with 7 minutes the lead was 19.

 

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the mv11/15/2017 1:18:39 PM

RKelley, maybe you can consider providing valid opinions (which you certainly have) without the outlandish statements (Terry scored 18 points because nobody on FSU was paying attention to him).  Just my opinion that the outlandish remarks do tend to change what would otherwise be a very strong perception of your takes.

30 timeouts taken would not have helped last night.  I'm big on pointing out the use or misuse (or lack of use) of timeouts, but not last night.

I like the Mike King comparison Bigfan.  Maybe even a better shooter though this has not yet been evident.

Finally, if we all really and truly are GW fans, and are really and truly not interested in sabotaging this program any farther than it has already landed, perhaps we can all agree not to use the name Terry Nolan and the word transfer in the same sentence.  Not today, not ever.

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the dude11/15/2017 5:57:47 PM

MV, this program can't get any lower (unless the A-10 gives us the boot and we end up in the Patriot League with Cimino).

the dude11/15/2017 6:36:11 PM

Post at 5:57, not from me.

gwb11/15/2017 10:21:49 PM

@RKelley. Sorry I just couldn't let this one slide. 

 

No one said Terry is Michael Jordan. That's putting words into my mouth. Simply said I think he is better than Roland.

 

TNJ had 2 nasty dunks one in traffic and one putback. Evidence that he is very athletic. I never saw Roland do that in 2 years, never mind 2 games. Facts. 

 

Athleticism is something that helps you become a better defender if you put in the effort in case you didn't know. 

 

Terry had 18 points against FSU with aggressive assertive drives to the cup, reverse layups and even flashed a little floater game. He showed glimpse of his high ceiling. Facts.

 

Terry had 6 assists in the opener and 18 points in game two, 2 steals in all 3 games and 2 blocks including the exhibition. Facts.

 

Again did you watch the game? We didn't lose because as you said FSU was shooting over him and blowing by him all game. 

 

In the 1st half FSU out rebounded us 20-10, Points in the Paint were 34-8, fast break points 12-0 and we were down 18 by halftime. Facts. 

 

They went 7'4, 7'0, 6'10 down low. Fact. This is why we lost.

 

Yay science?? The reason I said Roland's listing is because you literally said Terry is "tiny, small" and Roland "at least had adequate size" so I addressed your so-called point which was proved null.

 

 

Facts RKelley. However, you saying Roland would avg 15+ppg on a team he is not even on is literally the definition of speculation, propaganda "demagoguery" (which you can't even spell so you probably shouldn't use it) or whatever you want to call it. 

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greenpoint ny11/15/2017 10:26:36 PM

In case I missed it. Why are we playing a short bench?

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