By: Colonial'13 (94 posts) - 2/10/2016 11:25:58 AM

This is hillarious - Coach got kicked out of his daughters JV game last night. Link : http://washington.cbslocal.com/2016/02/10/lonergan-kicked-out/

By: alum1 (754 posts) - 2/10/2016 11:33:00 AM

Just awesome......

By: kdb sand diego (62 posts) - 2/10/2016 11:39:13 AM

who cares, let's just win tonight

By: Colonial'13 (94 posts) - 2/10/2016 11:47:52 AM

Um ok..

By: Mentzinger (3,646 posts) - 2/10/2016 11:54:41 AM

LOVE IT!! #Family

By: The Sons of Liberty (322 posts) - 2/10/2016 12:10:10 PM

Excellent.

By: BC (1,645 posts) - 2/10/2016 12:11:45 PM

Now a reason to hate on the off court refs!

By: NewGWFan (510 posts) - 2/10/2016 12:12:45 PM

Such a dad move.  This is awesome.  Hope his daughter doesn't kill him!

By: GW Alum Abroad (2,456 posts) - 2/10/2016 12:16:23 PM

On the other hand, that 7th grader probably felt bad enough without having this go out over the airwaves and internet...

Still, good to know the coach CAN count to five 😲

By: Skittles (178 posts) - 2/10/2016 12:19:53 PM

7th grader? ES is a high school. Hilarious write up! 

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 2/10/2016 1:25:31 PM

I think it's odd that people think this a funny story that puts ML in a good light. I don't think it's the crime of the century but I do think that it's unseemly when parents inject themselves into their kids' sporting events such that they're thrown out of the event by the police.

By: IM4GWU (17 posts) - 2/10/2016 2:01:41 PM

I am in 100% agreement with thinker. Well stated.

By: Rich Maier (17 posts) - 2/10/2016 2:02:53 PM

+1 thinker   hope parents of recruits didn't read that

By: GWStag (84 posts) - 2/10/2016 2:13:58 PM

He was not kicked out of the gym.  He quietly went to the table during a timeout.  The security guard came over to talk to ML after he sat back down to see what the problem was.  He was just checking on number of fouls with the St Johns book and the young lady from St Johns had his daughter with 4.  Some man at table started getting loud with ML and tried to make a scene but ML laughed at him and went and sat down.  I was there.  He was joking around about it on the Sports Junkies because they brought it up.  ML watched the game with the security guard he knew in the doorway.  This story has been exaggerated.  It is funny.  He felt bad that his daughter was crying and wanted to know if she really had 5 fouls.  He is a father too.    

By: Boston Colonial (330 posts) - 2/10/2016 2:22:59 PM

Having kept the scorebook at freshman high school games, it is unusual to have a parent come up and question the table.  But this is NOT a big deal  at all!

By: Colonial'13 (94 posts) - 2/10/2016 2:35:39 PM

You guys are way too uptight, if you listen to ML tell the story on Sports Junkies you'd realize its exactly how GWstag describes and is quite funny. I think its odd that people here would take this so seriously. Its also odd that people hope that GW parents and recruits don't read/listen to a humorous article about our coach, but at the same time take no exception to bashing the current team and coaches on a public forum.

By: Bo Knows (705 posts) - 2/10/2016 2:36:30 PM

My source at St. John's says this is much ado about nothing. There was no scene and ML never raised his voice, cursed or said anything inappropriate. My source says that the person who got ML tossed thought ML was trying to influence a student to change the scorebook and misunderstood his intentions/actions completely and overreacted. It will be yesterday's news by 7 pm tonight.

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 2/10/2016 6:31:50 PM

His own interview says that he was asked to leave by a policeman that he knew. I'm not saying it's a big deal or that it was some big scene but I don't think it's funny either and I don't think it reflects well on ML. If an adult is asking you to leave because they think you are pressuring a student scorekeeper then they should ask you to leave. Nowadays parents are so over the top on these kinds of things schools have to have more of a zero tolerance attitude. These events are about the kids not the parents.

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 2/10/2016 6:33:12 PM

BTW I just saw a story on this on Comcast SportsNet in the GW pregame for St. Joes. It doesn't reflect well.

By: Bigfan (2,829 posts) - 2/11/2016 12:14:16 AM

Wish this were our biggest cause of concerned discussion.

By: SW (189 posts) - 2/11/2016 7:44:28 AM

I think the real news in this story is ML's daughter is crying because she (mistakenly) fouled out of a game with only four fouls instead of five. She's 15 or 16! What a baby. I don't want to imagine what will happen when her first real boyfriend dumps her.

By: SW (189 posts) - 2/11/2016 7:46:37 AM

I like ML but as a former official ML needs to keep his mouth shut and stay in his seat. This is a JV basketball game, he should be treating it like a learning experience for his daughter. He has no business approaching the scoring table to question if they have the right number of fouls for his daughter or not.

 

He should know better.

By: Chester Would (166 posts) - 2/11/2016 7:58:07 AM

At least his daughter is willing to commit fouls. I bet she kept some of those girls from going right to the basket.

By: Free Quebec (2/11/2016 8:27:49 AM)

SW, you obviously don't have kids.  You should show more class than to rag on a young girl on a message board for showing emotion.   The Internets really do bring out the worst in people. 

By: Rich Maier (17 posts) - 2/11/2016 8:48:09 AM

ML says 'some middle aged loser at the scorer's table......'Was he talking about himself? His sideline antics spilled over and they didn't take his BS. We did get coverage on MSN. Nice going Lonergan. Really classy.

By: SW (189 posts) - 2/11/2016 8:50:17 AM

Sorry if I'm skeptical if a 15 or 16 y/o girl crying because she fouled out one foul short.

By: Jimmie83 (10 posts) - 2/11/2016 8:51:54 AM

Heck, I don't know what all the fuss is about everyone know St. John's of UnderArmour cheats!

By: Skittles (178 posts) - 2/11/2016 8:52:52 AM

SW, you should stop typing, your ignorance is showing :)

By: Rich Maier (17 posts) - 2/11/2016 8:56:24 AM

Skittles, it's a message board he says what he wants. You should be worrying about ML's lack of class.

 

By: jr22 (119 posts) - 2/11/2016 9:03:02 AM

He really showed it to that "middle aged loser" who had the audacity to not be a D-1 college basketball coach.  Good guy

By: Skittles (178 posts) - 2/11/2016 9:03:48 AM

And honestly this entire story should never have been a story and was blown way out of proportion based on my sources and other posts I've seen. Let's keep the coach's family out of this, as I'm sure one of them is bound to come across this board and instead of talking about GW basketball like this board was created for you are taking shots at ML's teenage daughter and contemplating appropriate high school girl behavior. Now let's discuss our upcoming game vs. the Bonnies!

By: bobo (3,178 posts) - 2/11/2016 9:11:17 AM

My kids have played against the Lonergan boys in sports.  They (including Mrs) can be pretty tough on the refs.

By: Skittles (178 posts) - 2/11/2016 9:12:48 AM

No Rich, that lack of class is shown everytime one of you "keyboard warriors" gets on this board after a loss with nothing intelligent or necessary coming out of your mouths. Its a loss, deal with it, some teams have tripple the amount we do. It happens. take the punches and move on to the next game like the team already has. Instead we are on here discussing a non-story and hinting at ML being a "middle aged loser". you guys would make me laugh if your lack of school spirit and solidarity behind the team you are supposedly fans of didnt make me throw up in my mouth first.

By: Rich Maier (17 posts) - 2/11/2016 9:13:29 AM

Skittles, what your source says makes no difference. The story is out on national news. WaPo it's too late. Too late for you and Bo  BTW how many other parents got kicked out of the game?

By: Skittles (178 posts) - 2/11/2016 9:14:55 AM

And to clarify I am talking about posters like SW and Rich above, I have no problems with the majority of and am even friends with several of the posters on here and you guys are not who i am refering to.

By: jr22 (119 posts) - 2/11/2016 9:15:52 AM

not calling ML a middle aged loser.  that was his way of describing the guy who called him out

By: Skittles (178 posts) - 2/11/2016 9:17:47 AM

Rich, and if you look up at the sky right now I'm sure you would say the sky is falling. Please, this is a story that will die before next week, you are literally crying over spilled milk. Now THAT is crying that is cause for concern.

By: Skittles (178 posts) - 2/11/2016 9:18:41 AM

was not referring to you JR, reread Rich's post above.

By: Rich Maier (17 posts) - 2/11/2016 9:27:56 AM

Skittles, Why do you defend ML when he obviously screwed up and got GW some unwelcomed publicity? Bo is that you?

By: Skittles (178 posts) - 2/11/2016 9:38:45 AM

Because you are blowing it out of proportion like many of the articles are. And no, I only go by Skittles on here Rich.

By: Bo Knows (705 posts) - 2/11/2016 9:40:36 AM

Sorry Rich to disappoint but I'm not Skittles. I love how people who weren't there seem to know what happened and of course, then go to on to all the larger implications based on their assumptions. And of course, there can only be one poster here that would defend ML in this situation. I actually spoke to someone who WAS THERE (a St. John's parent) and doesn't even know ML other than he is the GW coach. As I reported yesterday it was much ado about nothing. But feel free to spin away. I've never been able to stop you before from wild factless speculation so wouldn't expect to start now. Carry on.

By: Hugh Jaynus (5 posts) - 2/11/2016 9:42:14 AM

Obviously none of you have kids.  Can you blame him for being a father and sticking up for his daughter? How fair is that to her? I don't understand why the St. Johns scorekeeper didn't do her job and say she only had 4. I'm sure ML wasn't trying to show anyone up, he was probably just trying to stick up for his daughter who was unfairly getting kicked out of the game. 

Y'all on this board are ruthless . Take your postgame saltiness somewhere else besides the guys family.  ML was laughing about it telling the story on the radio, can't be too big of a deal. Get over yourselves.

By: Skittles (178 posts) - 2/11/2016 9:48:08 AM

+1 Bo and Hugh

By: lowpost (314 posts) - 2/11/2016 10:27:23 AM

what nobody has asked is why ml went to the scorer's table -- why not go to one of his daughter's coaches and ask them what their tally was.  every team i played had some sort of asst who kept track of their fouls.  

By: Bo Knows (705 posts) - 2/11/2016 10:48:07 AM

lowpost - this is jv girls basketball. I have no idea how many coaches that team has but I doubt it is many and it doesn't matter what they had it only matters what the oficial scorebook says. And if you don't frequent high school games, you don't realize how many times the scorebook is wrong, there is controvery over the score/time etc. Almost every game I go to at some point there is some sort of an issue.

And just for the record, I have been to games where ML's son is playing (Spalding/AAU) and I have never ever heard him say anything. And occasionally I've been sitting next to or very near him. He is acutely aware that as a college coach he is like the elephant in the room and anything he says or does is going to be looked at through that prism. I can tell you he is definitely not THAT parent.

This whole thing is so ridiculous. But I guess this is the world of gwhoops where this stuff gets bootstrapped into an opportunity to take a shot at ML.

 

By: Chet (52 posts) - 2/11/2016 10:49:00 AM

Good question low post, but in my experience most of the highschool bookkeepers do not sit on the bench, they sit at the scores table, one from each team.  In this situation probably there was probably a "young girl" from one team, and a "middle aged loser" keeping the books for both teams.  You usually have one person from each team so that if there is a question, or a mistake, which obviously happened here, they can compare books.  The young girl said she had ML's daughter with 4 fouls, but was most likely too shy to say anything to the grown man next to her who obviously was either in a bad mood or had a quick temper.  So when ML went up to see if both bookkeepers had his daughter with 5 fouls, the man thought he was trying to get the girl to change what she had.  This misunderstanding turned into an argument probably because the man thought he was being shown up by a guy with the audacity to walk up to the table decked out in all nike (GW) gear to check the stats.  I can assume this from him sarcastically asking ML who he was, and his response of "I'm nobody."  From what I understand he watched some of the game from the doorway before leaving, since his daughter was fouled out.  Whatever 'bad press' comes from this is making a story out of nothing.  If ML does not come out to say anything about this it is obviously not a big deal and it does not bother him.

By: Neil (314 posts) - 2/11/2016 2:51:28 PM

ML and the professor who was thrown out of the Dayton game several years ago should share their stories.

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 2/11/2016 3:05:42 PM

For myself, I'm not looking to bootstrap anything. I think ML has been an EXCELLENT coach for GW. Do I like or agree with everything he does/says? Of course not.

But this is not a GWHoops issue. It's been covered in the Post, on radio and a broadcast story on CSN was aired numerous time like on a loop pregame with St. Joes. This is not a scandal of any sort but it isn't contrived by GWHoops posters either.

I think posters shouldn't reflectively look for every avenue to criticize ML but other posters shouldn't reflectively defend him - particularly when he is in error (albeit a very small error).

As ML's "celebrity" increases he may want to adjust the degree of care he exercises. His wife giving the travelling sign from the stands after the ref asked ML to stop doing it is another thing that's no big deal -- just not really a smart thing to do.

By: Colonial'13 (94 posts) - 2/11/2016 3:11:32 PM

Only at GW will you get people, like Rich, all butt-hurt about our basketball coach getting kicked out of his daughters game. The only reason the media has the story in the first place is because he told it himself on the radio.

By: Tennessee Colonial (1,179 posts) - 2/11/2016 3:24:10 PM

A big ZZZZZZZZZ!! for this thread. Now about the basketbal team.

By: Bigfan (2,829 posts) - 2/11/2016 6:28:08 PM

In matters of family, I relentlessly defend the coach. Think the problem here is that he discussed it on this Junkies show, which is loose and provocative, but has been good to us.

ML has a wonderful family and is a family-oriented man. Mrs. Lonergan has the sharp eye, skills and acumen of a coach. She is a wonderful representative of the GW family.  The Lonergan family, from 80 plus year-old dad to the baby, now a toddler, are always at our games and giving their all.

The teenagers may wish at times that they were elsewhere, but comport themselves with manners and dignity and support the family. ML's family is a wonderful addition to our program and a bonus for hiring him. Remember, those positive stories about the family we have seen.

Bless the Lonergans. They are a treasure for us and sure as heck are a million times more important than any basketball game or Internet article.

Even I, a huge supporter of free speech here, say let's not go there if we are going to say anything about the family members, except to thank them, be amused by the little ones or grateful for their presence.

Feel free to comment about the coach and GW and publicity. Fire away, if you want, though this thread is getting tiresome and unproductive. He's a grown man in a highly-paid and profile position.

But say nothing negative, ever, about the coach's wife, daughter or kids. A great family. And way, way, way off limits.

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 2/11/2016 7:27:08 PM

Bigfan,

The mention of Mrs. Lonergan making the travelling signal after the refs asked ML to stop was in the media. She's a public figure of sorts acting in the public in a televised game. She knows that the tv people know who she is because they show her and the kids on tv most games where they are present. She's absolutely entitled to do that or bait the refs or whatever she wants. Does that make her into something bad? No. But have you heard of other DI coaches' spouses getting into it with refs during games? Has anyone heard of or seen that before? I haven't. Is it a horrible thing? No. Should it be off limits to us here? Not if it's mentioned in the media first. It just isn't really what you want your coach's wife to be doing. 

By: bobo (3,178 posts) - 2/11/2016 7:38:16 PM

My boys play a bunch of sports and I've seen Mrs L on the sidelines there too.  Very nice person but is not at all afraid of letting a ref know her feelings about a call (or lack there of) there as well.

By: Poog (3,875 posts) - 2/11/2016 9:05:35 PM

So we just want Maggie baking brownies for  the team, Thinker? This whole thread has been a ridiculous example of the nonsensical exchanges that take place here. Now you're going to tell the coach's wife (a former coach herself) what is acceptable conduct because that's how you want her to behave? Thought it was bad enough when everyone was telling anyone posting here what could and could not be discussed or said here. Since when did we start fretting that refs were named Bugs Bunny & Roger Rabbit?

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 2/11/2016 9:27:51 PM

Poog,

It's true I don't want the ML's wife yelling at refs during games. Name another DI coach whose wife comes to games and yells at refs. Do you like the look? What would we be saying if it was Mrs. Martelli or Mrs. Mooney or Mrs. Miller doing that? 

Again, it isn't a huge deal but she shouldn't be doing that. Do we really want to be in a situation in a tight game where the ref tells ML to tell his wife to sit down and shut up? I don't want the AD doing it, I don't want Smith Center staff doing it; I don't want ML's wife doing it. Do you?

By: Poog (3,875 posts) - 2/11/2016 10:09:32 PM

What if the ref tells LSF or Free Quebec or Bigfan to sit down? Is that what you want to sanction? If Mrs. L or any other fan crosses a line in what they say or do then by all means they should be warned to knock it off. Yelling 3 seconds or giving the traveling sign is hardly up there with high crimes and misdemeanors. Mike is on the court and an official part of the game - he can properly be sanctioned for his conduct. His family? Nonsense.  

By: Free Quebec (6,340 posts) - 2/11/2016 11:04:22 PM

I love that she yells at the refs and gets involved. What fun to have a coach's spouse who is part of the fun and spectacle.

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 2/12/2016 2:11:38 AM

Everybody is free to do whatever they want.

Mrs. Lonergan is NOT like another fan at the game. Anybody ever hear of a DI spouse doing something like this? Yes or no?

Crime of the century? Absolutely not. Misdemeanor of the century? Absolutely not. Do I think it's a good look? Absolutely not. I think it reflects badly on ML and GW. We'll survive, I'm sure.

By: Bigfan (2,829 posts) - 2/12/2016 2:25:45 AM

To be honest, Thinker's posts, as I have scanned them, don't bother me. Wasn't aimed at him at all.

 If Mrs. L is going to make gestures in the stands--if she indeed did that-- then we can talk about it, though imagine we would have way more relevant worries.

And Mrs. L clearly is a strong, confident woman who can handle herself.

But what made my blood boil is the poster who talked about the coach's daughter. That's really off limits--and I think very little is off limits for public discussion.

You don't mess with a man's kids, particularly daughters.

That is just incredibly wrong on so many levels. Hopefully, no one needs to debate that.

However, the poster probably didn't mean it seriously, had no malicious thoughts, didn't think about how it would seem in print and probably later realized it was out of bounds. Sure we all post things that we don't realize can be miscontrued.

No problem discussing ML's reported behavior--it was in The Washington Post (which seems to have devoted an inordinate amount of space to us on our worst day, as opposed to largely ignoring our successes). Anything he does is fair game, though at some point, we really should turn to whether we can beat the Bonnies. 

 So as long as this one particular line of discussion is nipped in the bud, we should all be fine.

By: Bo Knows (705 posts) - 2/12/2016 10:15:55 AM

"Me continue to thinks" that this thread has legs solely because we lost Wednesday night. The next game can't get here soon enough.

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 2/12/2016 10:41:30 AM

Actually Bo, I don't think that winning conquers poor form. I don't want to see broad coverage of ML getting kicked out of his daughter's JV game if we're 23-0 or if we're 0-23. The same with Mrs. Lonergan in the stands. My view remains the same either way.

My comments are not driven by a desire to slam ML at all sides pursuing some agenda against him. He's the coach, I'm glad he's the coach, he's doing a great job as coach, I want him to continue as coach. BUT that doesn't mean that I won't criticize or question him for things that I disagree with.

These things AREN'T a big deal. BUT what exactly about basketball at GW is objectively a big deal? Mitola playing more minutes than Paul is not defeating ISIS or curing cancer (I have plans for both of those things - just ask me). So if we only commented on things that mattered there would be no GWHoops to begin with.

By: 603Colonial (2/12/2016 11:11:45 AM)

Does anyone else think ML did pretty good for himself when they see his wife?  Kudos to that!

By: Bo Knows (705 posts) - 2/12/2016 12:20:43 PM

You'd be right Thinker except there is no evidence of poor form here only an overreaction by someone not named ML as part of power play. If you have other evidence please by all means bring it forward.

By: ziik (2,950 posts) - 2/12/2016 12:41:31 PM

I was a soccer parent.  First game, I observed the rantings of other soccer parents. Promised I would not act the same. Did once. Switched to tae kwan do. Sent mrs. ziik with ziik. 

 

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 2/12/2016 1:08:10 PM

I may have missed something. I don't have any earthly idea what this means: there is no evidence of poor form here only an overreaction by someone not named ML as part of power play

The only thing I'm talking about is the thing I'm talking about. Poor form and bad look and not good idea for ML to get media coverage about getting thrown out of his daughter's JV game and for Mrs. Lonergan to be getting into it with refs during a game on tv such that the media comments on it.

AGAIN not a huge thing, but seriously Bo, you're freinds/friendly with ML. He pulls you aside in private and asks you your private opinion: "Do you think either of those things is a good look for me and GW?" Do you say HAH I thinks it's funny keep it up and have your wife keep it up too? Or do you say Well in a perfect world those things wouldn't happen again?

Because that's what I'd tell him like that's what I'm saying here. That's all there is here for me. 

By: 2cents (32 posts) - 2/12/2016 1:59:35 PM

I like how they referred to ML as "Captain combover" on the VCU site.  That was funny.  I can relate.  Got rid of that little patch years ago though.

By: Bo Knows (705 posts) - 2/12/2016 2:47:18 PM

Thinker, I am not sure what you are missing other than the central facts i.e. ML didn't do anything to warrant being tossed. Not a thing. He asked a question. That question has been asked more than a million times by parents/coaches/players etc. during each season: "How many fouls on number ____?" If you ask me he got tossed precisely because someone knew he was the GW coach and wanted to make a point - in essence a power play. You or I ask the same question in the same circumstance and no one cares either during or afterwards.

So I guess if he asked I would have to say to ML don't go to your daughter's games because that might have been the only other way to avoid what happened unless we expect all fans not to ask reasonable questions, especially fans who are knwledgeable and actually understand the game. 

What would you have had ML do differently? The ONLY thing I would have done differently is retrospect is let the story die by not commenting on it. But I think it was so egregious that he believed once the story was out there he had to correct the record before the spin machine got going. Again, for the 100th time he is not THAT parent. If you don't believe me, randomly show up at a Seton JV girls or Spalding Varsity boys game and see for yourself.

 

By: Alumnus (2,050 posts) - 2/12/2016 6:09:43 PM

Bo, but apparently he IS that parent.  OK, it seems pretty clear he didn't go in raving or threatening to punch anybody out.  No, let's just sidle up to the 14-year old scorekeeper for the other team and fix it for my kid, then go on the radio and label the other guy who's probably keeping score for no pay a "loser."  Very classy.  That's my definition of someone who needs to look again through the "prism" again (you're a real poet, don't ever change) and maybe get a little self-awareness.  I'm sure everybody here who has a kid would stand up and cheer when some other kid's parent came down out of the stands and challenged a ruling.  What if you were the 14-year old scorekeeper's father and some dude in a sweat suit came down from the stands to bother your daughter in the middle of the game.  I guess if the guy was a GW coach you'd think it was great. 


 

By: Poog (3,875 posts) - 2/12/2016 6:40:39 PM

Sidle up, fix it, challenge, bother. Wow. Talk about being THAT kind of poster. No indication whatsoever in the accounts that suggest anything other than walking to scorer's table during a timeout and asking about the foul total. Adult at the table may have anticipated something happening but it apparently didn't. My son reffed youth soccer as a young teenager so I'm sensitive to parent bullies.  Only untoward behavior here appears to be the manufacturing of an account of the events that paints Lonergan as one of those out of control parents. No wonder people shake their heads at things they read on gwhoops if they still read it at all.

By: GW2017 (34 posts) - 2/12/2016 6:47:45 PM

This is a very funny story, some of you need to lighten up jeez. I reffed basketball and soccer games when I was in high school and I've dealt with lots of angry parents saying just nasty nasty things towards me. From what ML said I would consider this one of the tamer parent-official interactions I've seen/heard of

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 2/12/2016 7:48:19 PM

People are free to think its funny when the DI coach gets thrown out of his daughter's jv game after interacting with the student scorer. You can think it's funny that Mrs. Lonergan actively interacts with refs on a televised game even though no one has come up with an example of having EVER seen such a thing before.

But the apology chorus is not free to say he wasn't thrown out since in his own interview by his own admission he was thrown out.

Some of you guys that feel the pathological need to defend ML on any and every issue should understand that you lose credibility when you keep going on about something like this. You guys are making this a big deal not me.

These were mistakes by both Lonergans, albeit small ones. I would be breathtakingly surprised if both didn't agree with that proposition if asked in private. I would also be very surprised if both didn't make mental notes to themselves to endeavor to never let something like that happen again. That;s what this is worth and that's where this thread should logically end. . 

By: bobo (3,178 posts) - 2/12/2016 10:29:02 PM

ML or any parent shouldn't go to the scorers table to dispute a ruling. They should go to the coach and let them know. If the coach wants to dispute the ruling, they would go over to the scorers table and everything would be fine.

By: Alumnus (2,050 posts) - 2/12/2016 10:37:55 PM

Poog, the man's a paid employee of GW.  He's got a lot of advantages in life, maybe he should take that into account when he decides whether it's too constricting to stay out of stupid little scrapes that get media coverage.  If nobody at the game knows who he is, how'd the sports jocks know what happened? 

2017, I've coached kids' games and yeah, so Lonergan's smarter than the average bellowing parent.  Again, from his own words, he didn't have any knowledge of how many fouls his kid had and was going on the word of his wife, who's obviously as biased as he is about it.  If you think this is good behavior by a coach at your school, maybe take an ethics course while you're there and see what you think after that.   Sometimes the only consequence is whether you feel good or crappy about yourself after you do something.  I'd rather take the high road but who am I to judge, I'm just some middle-aged loser who has the temerity to think a college basketball coach doesn't walk on water.

By: ziik (2,950 posts) - 2/12/2016 10:46:34 PM

You don't abandon your kids when you let them play organized team sports. But, you're not supporting by buttting in, ever, unless the kid asks. And even then, you've first got to ask your child. What is it, exactly, you need me to help you with? 

Who cares that "official scorers" make occasional mistakes? Its a teaching moment nothing more. 

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 2/13/2016 1:10:09 AM

The teaching moment is for ML to sit on his hands and say and do nothing. At home if his daughter even still cares about it then he can have a teaching moment and tell her that sometimes in life things happen that might not seem fair and you just have to deal with it and most of the time mommy and daddy can't fix it for you.

Virtually ANY teacher or professor will tell you (I believe Alumnus is a professor as is my wife) that parents injecting themselves into the trivial minutia of schools and sports is absolutely teaching kids the wrong values. I'm happy BTW to expand this conversation into how helicopter parents are very definitely not serving their millenial kids by trying to fix everything for them.

Maybe the adult at the table that asked that ML be thrown out is just sick and tired of parents intruding into things.

By: Cutis (243 posts) - 2/13/2016 8:10:30 AM

Bo tells us he was not at the game. Got his info from an an unnamed " reliable source " then brow beats other posters for their comments because they were not at the game. I looked up the word despicable. Bo fits the definition. Bobo s last post on protocol was spot on. I coached youth basketball ,8 th thru 10 th grade for several years and that's how I instructed parents to handle uncertainties.

By: Hugh Jaynus (5 posts) - 2/13/2016 8:29:44 AM

Since everyone is so offended by off the court antics, I probably shouldn't bring a sign referencing Mo Allie-Cox's past?

By: jr22 (119 posts) - 2/13/2016 8:53:38 AM

I wouldn't, just to avoid the annoyance of having 18 VCU posters on here immediately, yelling at us for not knowing that Mo Ali-Cox is literally mother theresa reborn

By: Rich Maier (17 posts) - 2/13/2016 9:41:48 AM

OK everybody take the pledge 'I believe everything Bo says because Bo Nose all'. ML must think he entitled because he coaches GW. Sadly he has a lot to learn about life. Hope his daughter was not too embarrassed by her father's antics.

Poog almost always agree with you but you are way off base on this. Let's have all the parents at a JV game approach the scorer's table during the game. Now that's a good idea. ML has nothing to do with the game. Sit down and shut up. Perhaps LSF should go to the scorer's table during a timeout f a GW game. Same thing.

By: Hugh Jaynus (5 posts) - 2/13/2016 9:52:51 AM

Terrible comparison Rich. Not the same thing at all. Let it go man. We all know you're a perfect fan and everyone needs to be just like you. Next thing we know you'll be criticizing ML and his wife for cheering for their kids since another parent complained they were praising their kids too much and it hurt the other team's feelings. Its a JV game for christ's sake and maybe two people are keeping stats.  And if you haven't noticed. Nobody is talking about it except this board.

By: Rich Maier (17 posts) - 2/13/2016 10:03:05 AM

Hugh, please point out where I said anything negative about Mrs. ML. I'm waiting. Let's go Hugh show me. Nobody talks about it except Comcast, MSN, WaPO USA Today and more. So you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. guess what GW basketball is NOT the NBA. BTW I see you are still talking about it. hmmm.

You are the idiot who said obviously no one here has kids because they didn't pull astupid stunt like ML. I do. So Hugh besides getting everything wrong it was a great post. 

By: Hugh Jaynus (5 posts) - 2/13/2016 10:22:35 AM

1. I said "Next thing we know you'll be criticizing ML and his wife".  I said you will,  not that you have yet. So good try on that one.

2. Don't remember bringing anything up about the NBA so a little off topic by you there. Once again, good try.

3.  I said "Nobody is talking about it except this board." Never said I wasn't talking about it.

Three strikes you're out but I'll respond to your last point.  I said obviously none of you have kids because if you had taken time out of a hectic schedule to go see your daughter play and she gets shafted by an error in the book obviously, as a parent, you should do something about it. I was backing ML up for taking a stand and probably being frustrated.  So Rich, as I said before, nice try.

By: The Dude (529 posts) - 2/13/2016 10:25:28 AM

ML...ah well shit happens don't it?

By: Rich Maier (17 posts) - 2/13/2016 10:33:12 AM

Hugh, there are so many things to address. What makes you think I would say something about Mrs ML? I've had plenty of chances here and yet I only referrred to her when you brought her up. You said it's a JV game for Christ's sake. (please do not use the Lord's name in vain when addressing me thaks.) If it's only a JV game why did ML get so assed up? How many other parents were thrown out of the game? I wouldn't never embarrass my son by doing what ML did. Apparently you would.

I'm sure Knapp and Nero were thrilled with the publicity ML got GWon Comcast, MSN, USA Today, WaPo and more. He probably got a bonus as Father of the Year. The End.

By: Hugh Jaynus (5 posts) - 2/13/2016 10:43:59 AM

From someone using the reliable media outlets of today's society, I'll stop defending the man and let the "scene" he caused and embarrassing his daughter stories stay afloat.  Was just trying to shed some actuality on the story that some of you cannot grasp. Unfortunately, some of us believe everything fed to us from the media and refuse to listen when their view may be changed from real facts of what happened. 

By: Skittles (178 posts) - 2/13/2016 10:57:53 AM

Rich you were the same guy defending SW saying he could say whatever he wanted when he started going on ML's teenage daughter, I wouldn't put it past you. And no, I'm almost positive ML was not reprimanded for the story. Why? BECAUSE IT ISNT SUCH A HUGE DEAL LIKE YOU ARE MAKING IT OUT TO BE. Jesus Christ can we move the hell on we have a game at 4. 

By: Rich Maier (17 posts) - 2/13/2016 11:09:08 AM

Skittles and Hugh, I've said my piece. if it's not a big deal YOU should drop it. You are only perpetuating this story. Just a thought - drop it. If you both stop posting I will. It's on you both now..

By: Poog (3,875 posts) - 2/13/2016 11:13:12 AM

What we have here is a total failure to communicate. We merely take a different view of what we think happened and how serious an incident it was. I'm not relinquishing my opinion of the matter to what teachers and professors allegedly mandate is the kind of values kids are and should be taught. Didn't realize they had all the answers on child-rearing. I'm not basing my opinion of the matter on any knee-jerk support of ML nor does accusing people of that make their view of the situation correct. We can all use clever pejorative words to present our positions but fanciful escalations of the facts don't really convince anyone. I'm sure Lonergan didn't mean to bludgeon the entire scorer's table with Attilla   Cosby's broomstick...oh wait, that didn't happen? Some see this as a serious blemish on GW and Mike Lonergan; I don't. I don't see this as funny, some do. I'm not going to ascribe any post-event thoughts to ML or his wife nor imply or suggest what they should be; others feel the need to do so. In the end, this thread is a microcosm of gwhoops and probably most internet message boards. Every effect has to have a cause. Every loss has to have someone to blame. Every incident or every post has to have significant and lasting impact on whatever it is we're concerned about. Every poster we disagree with has to be an ass-kisser, ass-kicker, troll, a Sybil impersonator or simply an evil pantload. Just think if there were more than 30 of us.

By: Igor... Not yegor (291 posts) - 2/13/2016 12:59:51 PM

I'm 31

By: Long Suffering Fan (4,106 posts) - 2/13/2016 1:17:09 PM

Holy, moly.  88 posts on this inane story.  Folks...our season is in danger of ending later tody vs. the Bonnies and this is what you want to bicker about.   Talk about re-arranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic.

By: Pkgw (180 posts) - 2/13/2016 1:35:38 PM

poog +1

By: notta hater (2,492 posts) - 2/13/2016 1:37:15 PM

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14770964/john-calipari-ejected-early-kentucky-wildcats-south-carolina-gamecocks-game

this is how you get tossed!!!! Note the shirt tail . . .

By: BC (1,645 posts) - 2/13/2016 1:51:34 PM

Some people are just anal-retentive.

By: GW 69 (2/13/2016 3:34:08 PM)

Lonergan:Poor judgement--time to move on.I could write a thesis on thelessons his daughter could have learned if he had stayed out of this.

The good news is: he will get lot's more chances!

By: SW (189 posts) - 2/14/2016 10:50:40 AM

"Does anyone else think ML did pretty good for himself when they see his wife?  Kudos to that!"

 

He's only making, what, $700k as coach of GW? I would hope he could attract a decently attractive wife. It's not like he's working the 3rd shift at the local GM plant.

By: SW (189 posts) - 2/14/2016 10:57:57 AM

Face facts, aholes: Nobody, NOBODY, would have known about this story if ML didn't go crying to his boy Eric Bickel with his WOE IS ME story about what happened at SJC. ML has nobody to blame but himself for everyone talking about this incident.

Here's the facts:

If ML doesn't approach the scorer's table, he likely doesn't get asked to leave the game.

 

If ML doesn't go crying to Eric Bickel, nobody knows what took place at SJC.

 

ML has no one to blame but himself. And I believe this story sheds a ton of light onto how ML views himself and others in the program.

By: Bo Knows (705 posts) - 2/14/2016 5:45:05 PM

SW you are like a bad record that skips. Facts matter.

By: SW (189 posts) - 2/14/2016 11:35:26 PM

You are a broken record. I brought facts. ML acted like a dick. I didn't ask him to be crucified, but I am allowed to disagree with his act.

By: Bo Knows (705 posts) - 2/14/2016 11:40:43 PM

You were there SW? Of course not. So who is really the dick?

By: Colonial'13 (94 posts) - 2/15/2016 11:50:15 AM

SW, why are you so offended about ML getting tossed and making personal attacks? Were you the middle aged loser at the game?? Sounds like it 

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