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the dude
 2/22/2018 9:23:00 AM      Replies: 58

the dude2/14/2018 10:42:51 PM

Providence beat Nova, giving them wins over the #1 and #2 RPI Teams.  Ed Cooley is heading back to the Dance yet again.  UMass actually beat Providence. 

GW played the #2 RPI team Xavier.  Big win for GW opponent Florida St tonight too

 

 

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the dude2/15/2018 4:55:04 PM

Lunardi has Temple squarely on the bubble.  Atop his next 4 out.  The NCAA is very clear in their criteria, SOS, particularly in the OOC. quality RPI wins.  We can focus on and agree that KenPom does a better job, but that's not the NCAA tourney selection criteria.

Temple has a pair of top 5 RPI wins on a neutral court in their OOC and a ton of top 100 wins.

Davidson and The Bonnies, we shall see.  Much work to be done I'd say

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thomas2/15/2018 5:41:58 PM

Temple at #19 Wichita State  7 on ESPN2 - Temple has a chance to really improve their NCAA chances with a win here

#8 Ohio State at Penn State   8 on Big 10 Network

 

 

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the dude2/15/2018 5:58:44 PM

Thomas, Penn St's outlook is ..

thomas2/15/2018 7:14:02 PM

The Dude, I never really thought that much of Penn State until you asked the question and it looks like they are on the bubble or close to it. I saw that Penn State is now 8-6 in the Big 10(I thought they were worse than that), which should be good enough for NCAA tournament consideration. Penn State won at Ohio State earlier in the year, so a win tonight should really give their NCAA tournament resume a boost. 

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the dude2/15/2018 7:24:04 PM

Penn ST is 18-9 with a KenPom of 38.  They do have a weaker looking RPI resume, sort of an inverse Temple situation.  Def somewhere around the bubble.

Xaxier may well end up 1 seed. Florida St and Miami are tourney locks.  GW played a tough OOC.  Very likely 5 games against at large NCAA teams, went 1-4.  In all candor the OOC was a lot better than the A10 results.

Temple is TAKING IT to Wichita St, at Wichita St.  they win that puts them firmly in the tourney at the moment.

the dude2/15/2018 7:28:53 PM

Forgot Kansas St! That's 6 at large NCAA tourney teams on the OOC.  Rider btw, has an RPI of 65 and of course beat Penn.  Add in Harvard and Princeton etc etc, tough OOC.  team played well during a tough OOC.

the dude2/15/2018 7:48:32 PM

Temple drops 56 points on Wich St in the first half.  Up 56-42

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luvdagame2/15/2018 8:53:44 PM

The Temple/Wichita St. game is come down to the wire!!! No. 6 Purdue trailing Wisconsin!!!

luvdagame2/15/2018 9:01:16 PM

Wasn’t it just last year with Kaminsky, Wisconsin was ranked?

luvdagame2/15/2018 9:05:54 PM

Can’t see Purdue as a No. 1 seed in the tourney. Looks like No. 5 Cincy lost as well!!!

Wichita St. holds off Temple 93-86.

thomas2/15/2018 9:16:46 PM

Wisconsin went to back to back Final 4's(I think, I know they lost to Duke in the National Title Game recently) within the last 4 or 5 years. Their program has fallen off a bit since Bo Ryan retired, but they picked up a big win tonight.

Penn State leads Ohio State by 24 at the half!! What a turnaround for them. In the past few years, it seemed as if GW playing Penn State was a step down for GW, now things have changed. Does GW play Penn State again next year?  

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the dude2/15/2018 9:17:28 PM

Real shame for Temple, that would have been huge.

Penn St is blowing out Ohio St! Can THEY hold onto this huge lead!?

the dude2/15/2018 9:18:33 PM

Thomas I posted how good Penn St would people back in Nov, some scoffed at the idea.  They are LEGIT and led by that amazing Sophmore class.  Sound familiar?

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the dude2/15/2018 9:46:26 PM

this lead was 30, it cut in half quickly

3+ years ago I posted that Bo Ryan was on the short list of Best coaches in the country.  You can really see it, what did the program do before arrival and where are things 3-4 years later.  Consider Wisconsin before Bo's arrival, and where things are now.

Vermont had their best success right before ML's arrival, beat Syracuse in the NCAA tourney, and they are doing better this year than he ever had them at.  He did a pretty good job there, but really he just kept them near the level they were already at/small drop off.  

luvdagame2/15/2018 9:47:01 PM

Going back and forth between OSU and PSU but this Arizona and Arizona St. game is more exciting all because of Hurley!!!

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the dude2/15/2018 9:48:53 PM

Luv, another insanely great Coaching job done by a Hurley.  First Buffalo, now Arizona St.

 

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luvdagame2/15/2018 10:05:34 PM

The Dude - Sean (sp) Miller is pretty intense too just not as animated as Hurley!!!

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the dude2/15/2018 10:21:59 PM

LuvDaGame, its so true. He's got the crazy eyes, and constantly sweaty thing down pat!

Those Miller boys, they sure can recruit too.  In fact, best pairs of brothers of all time? Hurleys and the Millers?

thomas2/16/2018 10:25:46 AM

BIG nationally televised conference game tonight:

#16 Rhode Island at St.Bonaventure   7 on ESPN2 - I'm not sure of St.Bonaventure's NCAA tournament outlook at the moment, but a win here should really improve their chances. St.Bonaventure has won 7 straight games after a slow start in conference, and Rhode Island has won 16 in a row!!

the mv2/16/2018 11:21:03 AM

A win tonight by the Bonnies and I would absolutely have them dancing if the season ended tonight.  I think they should be ahead of Temple in the pecking order regardless of how they fare tonight.  Sometimes, we get a bit too caught up in these rankings and metrics which have a tendency to be skewed.  Strength of schedule is a great example.  Beating a team from the ACC should not mean the same thing as beating a team from the SWAC with an identical won-loss record.  Temple's resume looks far better than it should largely due to early season wins against Auburn and Clemson.  At the same time, they have lost to La Salle and GW, are 15-11 overall, and are 7-7 in the 7th highest rated conference.  That conference is being carried by three teams (Cinn., Wichita and Houston) in which the Owls are 1-4 against.  Lose at home to Houston on Sunday and I wouldn't see any path short of the automatic bid for Temple to make the Dance.  Meanwhile, the Bonnies are 19-6 and 9-4 in the 10th rated conference.  The featured OOC wins are at Syracuse and against Maryland on a neutral court, plus a very decent win over Vermont.  The only metric that drags SBU down are a few wins against dreadful teams.  But, it's not like they didn't challenge themselves in the OOC (like two years ago as an example).  If Temple beats Houston and SBU loses to URI, then the gap is narrowed.  Otherwise, SBU gets the nod as of now.

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the mv2/16/2018 11:42:58 AM

Against common opponents, SBU is 3-1 and Temple is 1-2.  Final point..the Bonnies can easily play their way in or out based on their remaining schedule: URI, Duquesne, at VCU, Davidson, at St. Louis.  That's a very tough stretch.

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100.16.146.322/16/2018 12:13:50 PM

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/groupId/3/teamId/179d

It doesn't matter what SBU vs Temple record in vs common opponents because they are not compteting against each other for a spot.  They are competeing against the field.  And Temple is OUT.  Way too low BPI, Pomeroy and other metrics that committee now encorporates (as well as RPI) but Temple simply haven't been consistent enough to get in.  Just 10-9 vs Top 150 teams.  2 additional losses to 150+ teams in GWU and LaSalle. Good Bye and Good Luck.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/groupId/3/teamId/179

SBU is on the bubble, though.  7-4 vs Top 150.  3-2 vs Top 50.  In the better ranking systems 2 of those teams don't make Top 50 (Buffalo and Vermont) but you can add back in MD who is 66 in RPI but higher in the other ones.  I though a while back that SBU had just 1 loss left if they wanted to get in so maybe a loss to URI and a win out for the regular season and a run to the conf tournament championship could get them in.  Or a win vs URI and a loss to Davidson and they still have a chance but they are bubble territory from now until the end if they don't win out in conf play.

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gw alum abroad2/16/2018 12:44:01 PM

Unmentioned is USF shocking St Mary's last night, a loss that that is very bubbly for the Gaels. Another slip-up and the WCC might be a one-bid if Gonzaga wins its conference tourney.

gw05092/16/2018 9:16:03 PM

Congrats to the Bonnies. We should get two teams in now. 

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fredd2/16/2018 9:18:24 PM

Bona wins the conference game of the year in Olsen! Not good for the conference but awesome for the Bonnies who have righted their season.

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thomas2/16/2018 9:29:34 PM

Great game in Olean as the A-10's best 2 teams played a game that came down to the final seconds. Lunardi had St.Bonaventure as one of the 'Last 4 In'(The MV you were right) before the game started, so they should be in comfortably now. I thought St.Bonaventure's resume/metric numbers were really damaged after they suffered some bad losses early in the conference season, but they ended Rhode Island's 16-game winning streak and have now won 8 straight. 

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bobo2/17/2018 12:28:47 AM

I wouldn't say there's anything comfortable about SBU's at large bid just yet, Thomas.  They're probably moved into the Last 4 In status after the home win vs URI.  They still have 4 games left and have to win at least 3 of them.  They can probably lose to @ VCU OR home vs Davidson but not both and nobody else as all 4 teams left are RPI 100+.  SBU now starts rooting real hard for the Middle Tennesse States, Loyola-Chicago and Buffalo's of college basketball to win their conf tournaments and not let in another mid-major conf tournament winner.

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the dude2/17/2018 12:52:37 AM

Looking good for the Bonnies.  Great win.

Helluva streak for Rhode Island, I think the nation's longest streak has come to an end at 17?

the mv2/17/2018 12:00:25 PM

Thanks Thomas.  Just a really high level game that both teams really wanted.  As Chris Spatola said during the broadcast, the eye test should tell you that both of these teams should be playing in the NCAA’s.  I would say that the Bonnie’s are firmly in right now but with a tough closing stretch that includes games against VCU and Davidson among others, they will have to stay relatively sharp to cement this.

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luvdagame2/17/2018 1:33:50 PM

Another fun packed Saturday with some good games!!! Damn, I love college basketball!!!

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bobo2/17/2018 1:34:51 PM

Per JoeyBrackets: SBU last of the Last 4 In.  That is the bubbliest of bubble selections.  That obviously assumes that the lower conf leaders win their tournaments and don't have to eat up an At-Large bid.  

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bobo2/17/2018 1:35:06 PM

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

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the dude2/17/2018 2:59:29 PM

Yes, he has them IN the NCAA tourney. Not sure if that includes their URI win last night. 

Heckuva slate.  Kansas St is pounding Iowa St, as they pull closer to their own bid.  PJ has been moved to the bench for Butler and responded with a very good game in 17 mins of action.

T-1 hour to the Marque Matchup of them all!

 

 

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bm2/17/2018 8:21:30 PM

UmD pounding ex-GW coaching staff early 17-4. 

bobo2/17/2018 10:21:38 PM

Dude, SBU being Last 4 In did include the URI win.  They were 2nd Four Out before that win for SBU.  

captain trips2/19/2018 1:27:36 AM

Rutgers is so bad lollol

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the mv2/19/2018 11:10:50 AM

Lunardi has SBU as an 11 seed in a play-in game.  Jerry Palm has them as an 11 but no play-in game.

Anyone know why the non-16 seed play-in games feature two 12 seeds and two 11 seeds.  Why not just all 12 seeds?  Seems like the 12’s without a play-in game have it easier than the 11’s with a play-in game (though these 11’s have historically done quite well).  Are these 12’s considered better or worse teams than the 11’s with play-ins?

the dude2/19/2018 6:49:14 PM

Big game at 9pm. Trae Young and company really need a win tonight,  ESPN

thomas2/19/2018 7:55:05 PM

The Dude,  Trae Young has somehow lost all of his powers!!! It's seems as if the Big 12 coaches figured him out, at about the midway point of the conference season. I thought Oklahoma would be a 1 or 2 seed in the NCAA tournament about a month ago because of how well Trae Young was playing and all the athleticism and 3-point shooting that they have, now Oklahoma is looking like a team that will get upset(maybe not an upset if they keep losing and they get seeded 7th or 8th) in the 1st round of the NCAA tournament.

Miami is now playing at Notre Dame on ESPN. Miami is another team that has struggled once conference play started. Weren't they ranked in the top 5 when they came to Smith Center in December? 

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the dude2/19/2018 8:05:59 PM

Thomas, very true!

He's gone through a shooting slump too, but he remains incredible to watch. Most fun guy to watch in college since at least Steph. 

Miami is what, an 8 seed now? Kansas ST, Florida, St, Xavier, all IN.  Temple now bubble, but OUT.  Harvard is probably dancing, and have you see the year Rider is having?? They are pretty legit.  Imagine them with Marquise Reed?

thomas2/19/2018 9:45:08 PM

I wasn't aware that Rider is having such a great season(14-2 conference record) until you just mentioned it. I remember Marquise Reed, a local guard who played very well for a mid-major as a freshman, and is now starring at Clemson. I forgot that he attended Rider. His name was brought up on this board when he decided to transfer, but I'm not sure whether he had an interest in GW or if a poster mentioned him because he's from this area and was looking to transfer up. 

Another interesting note is, after Rhode Island lost to St.Bonaventure on Friday night, Vermont had the longest winning streak in the nation(15 or 16 straight wins), but they also ended up losing over the weekend. 

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bo knows2/19/2018 9:55:16 PM

Thomas, Marcquise Reed attended Robert Morris before Clemson, not Rider.

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the dude2/20/2018 12:10:37 AM

Thomas, that poster was me, and I said that looking at the Marcquise Reed stats at Rider, we should go for a guy like Reed (stat stuffer and athlete) over a guy like Sina (catch and shoot Guard) which was cause for uproar 3 years ago.  How dare someone suggest one potential transfer option looks better than another on a thread called "Marquise Reed, transfer"  the outrage!! Glad to see we've maintained that level of outrage when discussing actually signed GW recruits on the site.  =)

Oklahoma and my guy Trae, BLOWN out! yikes.

 

 

thomas2/20/2018 12:54:05 AM

What I'm about to write is funny and a bit unfunny at the same time, but Bo Knows pointed out that Marcquise Reed actually started out at Robert Morris, not Rider. Since The Dude and Bo Knows have blocked each other, it's as if they are speaking over each other. But to tie this all together for everyone, The Dude mentioned Rider for Marquise Reed, I replied to his comment and Bo Knows corrected what both of us wrote.

But onto Marcquise Reed, like I wrote earlier I remember the name being mentioned here, but not the specifics. I forgot that there was some sort of uproar/fight about GW recruiting him, and that it was the same time GW signed/recruited Sina. Did he have an interest in GW? M.Reed is Clemson's best player this year. Robert Morris has had a couple other very good players transfer to BCS schools(including one to Georgetown last season) which really damaged their program.

Is Oklahoma playing themselves into an NIT bid?? I heard that they've now lost 9 of their last 11(or 10 of 12) games!! They have winnable games left against Baylor, Iowa State and Kansas State, but they appear to have lost all of their confidence at this point!! 

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the dude2/20/2018 1:09:53 AM

Thomas, that is too funny.  Robert Morris! Haha.  Yea recall that offseason we were really diving deep into transfer options, I was def the one who was pushing Marcquise Reed and thought that TYPE of player is what GW needed, not a catch and shoot guy, the type who went an entire collegiate career without a single block. 

Reed is predictably an absolute dynamo for Clemson, their best player on what may be their best ever team.  Sina, we commited 3 years of scholarships for 2 seasons to, left GW after 1 subpar season, after quitting on Seton Hall midseason, which was itself after TWICE decomminting as a HS player to college he commited to!  Maybe its best to be leary of guys like that in the future  =)

 

 

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the dude2/20/2018 5:46:00 PM

Good slate. URI tonight among other games

 

thomas2/20/2018 6:15:51 PM

The Dude,  I wanted to clarify what was going on because someone may have read the last 6 entries posted on this thread and been really confused about how you and Bo Knows could be talking to each other and not talking to each other at the same time!!! LOL...They'd be like, Why Is The Dude still saying Rider, when Bo Knows said Reed went to Robert Morris/Why Did Bo Knows Only Correct Thomas.  Did Reed have any interest in GW? Looking at how he's done at Clemson, he would've had a Cavanaugh/ Zeek/Creek type of impact at GW, but I know it's hard for a guy in his position to ignore the bright lights of an ACC school, even an average-below average one like Clemson has been in recent years.

 

Rhode Island at La Salle  7 on CBS SportsNetwork

St.Louis at Dayton  9 on ESPNU

Creighton at Butler  7 on FS1

Rutgers at Ohio State  7 on Big 10 Network

 

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the dude2/20/2018 8:48:29 PM

Thomas, very funny indeed.

I believe I just listed him on a list of trasnfers and said I'd hope we'd be after a guy with his assorted stats. Someone said Sina was much better and I shouldn't "bash" Sina on a thread called "Marcquise Reed transfer."

URI is in a tight game with La Salle! They are locked into the tourney but the type of loss that could hurt their seeding. Butler is winning big, PJ is coming off the bench again, and is lighting it up tonight off the bench.

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the sons of liberty2/20/2018 9:11:24 PM

Anyone watching this Rhody/LaSalle game?

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the dude2/20/2018 9:16:15 PM

SOL. I am.  Helluva game.  Headed to Overtime

 

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the dude2/20/2018 9:32:57 PM

 BJ Johnson has 24 rebounds.  A10 record? Yinka Dare, 1993.

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the sons of liberty2/20/2018 9:38:36 PM

Fun game.  I love basketball.

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gw05092/20/2018 9:39:33 PM

Dr. John had some great exasperation faces in the last few seconds of that OT.

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pj2/20/2018 10:10:27 PM

Jorgensen finishes with 17 points, 5 rebs, 3 asts on 7/11 and 3/4 3PTs in Butler win over Creighton. 

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thomas2/21/2018 3:43:56 PM

VCU at UMass  7

Fordham at Davidson  7

#4 Xavier at Georgetown  6:30 on FS1

#17 Michigan at Penn State  7 on Big 10 Network

Texas at Kansas State  9 on ESPNU

 

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the dude2/21/2018 11:44:20 PM

Kansas St beat Texas, they are going dancing.  20 wins, 9-6 in Big 12.  Shaka's Texas team, on the other hand, 16-12, 6-9, is in major danger of missing the tourney, yet again.  Not exactly what people expected 3 years into the Shaka era at Texas.

tuna can2/22/2018 9:23:00 AM

Don't forget that Texas is missing a key player, Andrew Jones. Oklahoma is missing Young's 3 point shot. After watching those two teams face off in Oklahoma, the Sooners are hurting more. 

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