Darnell Rogerspoint guard - 5-3

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 10/25/2014 8:00:33 AM

Yes!!!!

WhosGotNextRecruits @WGNRecruits
Class of 2016 Guard Darnell Rogers (@rogers_shawnta) visits George Washington tomorrow! WGNRecruits.com

Darnell Rogers thread

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 10/25/2014 8:04:14 AM

Another article

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 10/25/2014 11:29:14 AM

at the scrimmage toay

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 10/25/2014 1:27:42 PM

at the scrimmage toay

By: Me (138 posts) - 1/21/2015 1:22:25 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpNNK8neAyY

The anonymous poster for the Ako Adams video was also me

By: maypoman (671 posts) - 1/21/2015 5:26:33 PM

The last 5'3" point guard for GW was the best overall GW player I've seen in my 50 years of following the team. I suspect his son won't be too small to play college ball either. Sign him up!

By: Bigfan (2,829 posts) - 1/21/2015 11:43:12 PM

Shawnta pretty non-commital about where his son might go, even though we honor Shawnta all the time, as we should.

He should bear in mind what GW did for him and what it can do for Darnell.

We have a built-in fan base that would make Darnell feel incredibly welcome from the start. A great place for Darnell.

By: Mike K (1,177 posts) - 1/22/2015 1:47:17 PM

according to this article. we offered http://www.fortmilltimes.com/2015/01/16/3977771/on-the-court-indian-lands-rogers.html

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 1/22/2015 2:03:34 PM

Many broken ankles in the first video in your link Mike K.

By: Mike K (1,177 posts) - 1/22/2015 2:13:21 PM

memories of his dad, btw, liked ur hat at the last game BM!

By: Free Quebec (6,340 posts) - 1/22/2015 2:18:37 PM

I realize there are a lot of posters on the board now who were too young to have watched Darnell's dad, Shawnta.   For those who didn't get to see him, you missed something spectacular.  It's almost unfathomable that the greatest player in modern GW history was only 5'4", but he really was.  We are very lucky to have had him, especially since at least one service had Shawnta as a top 25 recruit, the highest rated recruit we've ever had to my knowledge.

Here's a video of his dad overcoming the flu to beat Xavier and win the A-10 regular season title with one of the great buzzer beaters in GW history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTYOKBnpX1U

I just wish there were more Shawnta highlights online becuase he was so amazing. 

Whether Darnell comes here or somewhere else, college hoops fans will be lucky to watch him, too, I'm sure.

By: New Guy (33 posts) - 1/22/2015 3:00:46 PM

get his son at all costs!

By: MG'14 (310 posts) - 1/22/2015 3:52:29 PM

Nothing about him on ESPN. Handles look great, shooting looks good.

Chances?

By: herve (9,159 posts) - 1/22/2015 6:31:54 PM

Those are the first game highlights I've seen of him! That is freaky! He plays JUST LIKE HIS DAD! The moves, the shot, the passing, the incredibly strong upper body, everything is the same. If he plays defense like him as well, look-out. Let me just add to what FQ said: at 5'4, Rogers averaged 6 rebs/game one season and had MANY double-digit rebound games. He almost had a triple-double in his first ever game at GW. This is NOT myth-making with the passage of time. If anything we are leaving-out tons of his exploits. Hands down the best GW player I have ever seen and could impact a game single-handedly more than anyone.

By: gonzo (370 posts) - 1/22/2015 6:49:17 PM

This pleases me greatly. His dad was in my frosh english class and I crashed the court senior year. Ready for more memories. 

By: BC (1,645 posts) - 1/22/2015 6:53:37 PM

Yeah, but can he dunk?  Just kidding.   I liked his passing even better than his shooting and dribbling.

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 1/22/2015 6:54:49 PM

30 points in 11 minutes at Virginia Tech will always be his biggest Superman moment IMO.

By: BACCAS92 (705 posts) - 1/23/2015 4:01:00 PM

http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?replayId=1760

By: CPots (486 posts) - 1/24/2015 4:43:20 PM

Is apparently Aquille Carr's cousin... Really good bball genes in the fam...

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 2/3/2015 7:08:26 AM

Jamie Shaw

@JamieShaw5

Jr Darnell Rogers (@rogers_shawnta) finished with 42P in an Indian Land (SC) win tonight

By: Neil (314 posts) - 2/3/2015 12:59:35 PM

get him

By: Bigfan (2,829 posts) - 2/3/2015 4:34:59 PM

This is so hard to take since anyone who saw Shawnta play knows how Darnell can have real potential at GW. Darnell seems similarly amazing.

Worked out great for his father. Ought to recommend that his son go to GW as well.

By: Florida Colonial (562 posts) - 2/3/2015 4:55:21 PM

Have we even offered him?

By: The MV (4,915 posts) - 2/3/2015 5:34:41 PM

Let's sign him with the agreement among all posters that there will be absolutely no comparisons presented on this board between Darnell and his father, unless Darnell turns out to be even better.

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 2/13/2015 10:06:37 AM

Justin Byerly @Justinbyerly

PG Darnell Rogers of Indian Land (SC) named Region 4 2-A Player of the Year.

By: Mike K (1,177 posts) - 2/13/2015 10:34:02 AM

WHEN, not if, WHEN, we get him, we need to also recruit a shooter who can hit an open jumper when he receives the dish from Nut Jr.!

By: Mike K (1,177 posts) - 4/7/2015 9:57:14 PM

anyone familiar with the team CP3? https://twitter.com/D1Circuit/status/585609854619934720

By: BACCAS92 (705 posts) - 4/7/2015 10:54:53 PM

MIke K, does Kwame Evans also have a son?  

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 4/11/2015 8:18:59 AM

PrepScouting (NCAA) @highmajorscoop
5-foot-3/Darnell Rogers from CP3 dropped 29 tonight! Unreal! #TNT

 

By: Florida Colonial (562 posts) - 4/11/2015 8:38:20 AM

Please coach we need him. Whether he turns out to be like his dad or not we cant let shawnta's son go anywhere else. 

By: 50.186.203.193 (3 posts) - 4/11/2015 9:04:03 AM

Junior highlights

By: DEA (1,465 posts) - 4/11/2015 11:03:29 AM

Get him at all costs. 

By: BC (1,645 posts) - 4/11/2015 4:55:21 PM

Seems to have a lot of his Dad's abilities.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 4/11/2015 5:40:36 PM

How great would this be.  In some ways its like stepping inside a time machine watching his Dad play.  Ages those among us that went to College with Shawnta, that his son is now a college recruit.  Looks like he indeed has many of his Dad's great skills, including his absolute Uber Alpha Male floor presence.  Like Herve said, Shawnta's astounding rebounding totals are among the great individual feats in GW history.

By: Bigfan (2,829 posts) - 4/11/2015 5:40:48 PM

Yes please.

We need Darnell.

Shawnta seemed oddly noncomittal to fans during Darnell's visit.

But hope he realizes how much GW did for him, took a chance on someone who other schools discrimated against because of his height--and see how GW opened his world. Literally to a great career overseas.

We can do the same for Darnell. And he is GW heritage, with his father in the Hall of Fame.

Be great to have Darnell there one day, along with his Dad.

By: Long Suffering Fan (4,106 posts) - 4/11/2015 6:19:07 PM

I understand that Darnell's dad just spoke to ML, who told him that he must commit now or he won't be offered, so he is going to Ohio U instead.   (Most of you should know what I am talking about, other newer fans maybe not).

By: Poog (3,875 posts) - 4/11/2015 6:51:07 PM

It would be great if Darnell comes to GW because of how cool it was to watch his father play for 3 1/2 years. But Shawnta owes GW nothing concerning his son. I wasn't a scholarship athlete and couldn't have gotten in anyway, but I wouldn't have appreciated my parents directing me to Cal Berkeley or U of Chicago just because they went there. To each his own. Good luck to Shawnta's son wherever he chooses to go to school. 

By: Mentzinger (3,646 posts) - 4/11/2015 7:28:30 PM

Miami (OH). Not Ohio U.

By: ziik (2,950 posts) - 4/11/2015 8:43:03 PM

Who discriminated against Shawnta? I was told waay back then that UNC offered him, among others. Not sent a letter. Offered. Whatever the truth is about Shawnta's opportunities, his son's exposure at GW would be enormous, given the paternal connections. All things being equal, GW could be a real help to him. 

By: Florida Colonial (562 posts) - 4/12/2015 5:45:37 PM

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 FollowingJeff BorzelloVerified account‏@jeffborzello

Darnell Rogers is putting on a show for CP3. Son of former GW star Shawnta, can't be much taller than 5-foot or so.

By: Mike K (1,177 posts) - 4/12/2015 9:20:42 PM

Miami (OH)....shit...what the fuck do they have that we don't?  Miami (OH)...I searced the inter-web for any related info and did not find any.

By: BACCAS92 (705 posts) - 4/12/2015 9:42:25 PM

Family ties mean nothing. When did Wally Szerbiak play for GW? Oh he too went to Miami of Ohio.

By: Long Suffering Fan (4,106 posts) - 4/12/2015 10:44:33 PM

OK, for you younger fans...Wally was the son of GW great Walt Szerbiak.  Wally was considering GW among other schools.  He had a conversation with coach Jarvis, who told Wally he had to decide that moment if he was willing to commit to GW, but Wally was unwilling to do so, and ended up committing to Miami of Ohio (which I mistakenly referred to as Ohio University...like there is really a difference).  And that was my joke.  No. Darnell did not commit there also.  FWIW...Walt was one of the the all time GW greats...had a career in the ABA (before the merger with the NBA) and then went on to have a standout career in Europe.   You will see Walt at all GW games/receptions in the NYC vicinity...an immensely approachable and likable person who will talk with you forever about GW, Wally, and anything else.

By: Long Suffering Fan (4,106 posts) - 4/12/2015 10:46:52 PM

And talking about family ties, I remember asking Yegor why his younger brother Nikita did not consider GW, and apparently they thought it would not be fair to Nikita to have to try to live up to the inevitable comparisons to Yegor had he gone to GW.  Wonder if the same is an issue with Darnell having to play in the shadow of his father's reputation if he came to GW.  

By: Mike K (1,177 posts) - 4/13/2015 6:23:23 AM

Thaks for the clarification on the Wallly/Nut correlation. I know the Walt and Wally story, and just figured your post featured a cruel coincidence. Needless to say, glad he is still in play for us.

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 4/13/2015 11:59:59 AM

"I love GW"

We love you too Darnell.

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 4/13/2015 1:02:59 PM

"I love GW"

The feeling is mutual.

(Posting this again since it didn't seem to catch the first time)

By: Florida Colonial (562 posts) - 4/13/2015 1:47:11 PM

BM thats music to my ears. Love it

By: Poog (3,875 posts) - 4/13/2015 2:40:02 PM

That whole article was a who's who of GW recruiting targets. Need for Rogers to "work in classroom" shouldn't be overlooked. 

By: herve (9,159 posts) - 4/13/2015 3:46:12 PM

If I recall correctly Shawnta was a Prop 48 candidate who joined the team after the first semester ended in December. The odd-ball loop-hole in the regulation which allowed him to join the team has long since been closed. Grades were an issue with Rogers more than just height when he was being recruited.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 4/13/2015 5:09:55 PM

Herve of course is right about Shawnta.  The little man's quote is indeed music to the ears, so is seeing the Shawnta stat line in the article.  The All time Great Holup may have been a 20 and 20 guy, amazing as that is, it wasn't quite as absurdly unusual back in the day as it seems today, but I'd still rank Shawnta's Senior stat line as GW's most impressive:

He won the Atlantic 10 Player of the Year in 1999 when he averaged 20.7 ppg, 6.8 apg, 4.0 rpg and 3.6 spg for the Colonials as a senior.

That steal total is top 10 in all of NCAA history.  Across the board, just incredible stats.

 

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 4/14/2015 8:10:19 AM

EYBL I highlights

By: The MV (4,915 posts) - 4/14/2015 9:27:46 AM

Herve, it was actually his SAT score and not his grades that delayed Shawnta's arrival,  Rather than attend a prep school, Shawnta chose to take the SAT again during the fall of what would become his freshman year in college.  He subsequently qualified and played his first game for GW in December after missing the team's first six games.  Shawnta was not a great test-taker but always had good enough grades to enroll at GW.

By: Shawnta Pops (18 posts) - 4/14/2015 9:56:40 AM

Wow.  I'm impressed that the elder Rogers averaged 4 boards per game as a little dude.

By: Boston Colonial (330 posts) - 4/14/2015 10:11:39 AM

He was  a complete basketball player, who got rebounds by getting to the spot first. He was so much fun to watch, GW was lucky to get him.

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 4/14/2015 10:27:38 AM

Pretty sure his senior season under Penders was his worst rebounding year.  He averaged 5.7 a game in his sophomore season.  Again, 5'4", max.

By: Long Suffering Fan (4,106 posts) - 4/14/2015 11:22:48 AM

As I said on other occasions, Shawnta had the upper body strength of a 6'8" poer forward.  The combination of his strength and speed helped him get far more rebounds than one would have expected from a 5'4" player.

By: herve (9,159 posts) - 4/14/2015 12:07:01 PM

Rogers first game he nearly had a triple-double. He had double-digit rebounds multiple times through-out his career. Pound-for-pound you would be hard-pressed to find a better college basketball.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 4/14/2015 3:28:13 PM

Indeed MV, it was the SAT, Here's how that went down:

His college-entrance test scores weren't high enough. But because of a learning disability that makes it difficult for him to read, he was allowed to take the test orally and passed in time to enroll at George Washington in the spring semester.

Built like an absolute tank and huge vertical.  The rebounding was outstanding throughout the career, def in the 5's Frosh/Soph and how about that 21 pt, 7 assist, 3.6 steal stat line??? 
 

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 4/14/2015 3:58:20 PM

La Salle coach Speedy Morris on Shawnta after a game-winner at the buzzer:

"The best 5-foot-4 player who ever lived." 

By: Poog (3,875 posts) - 4/15/2015 1:37:45 AM

Nice to know this was his 2nd offer. GW was apparently first.

 

Verbal Commits@VerbalCommits 18m18 minutes ago

2016 Indian Land (SC) G Darnell Rogers has received an offer from UMES. (HT @JamieShaw5) @rogers_shawnta http://verbalcommits.com/players/darnell-rogers …

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By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 4/15/2015 1:46:03 AM

This is a case where the Dad is so beloved by a community of fans, its actually meaningful to a son. 

That outpouring of affection would immediately turn to the son.  Leg up to GW in recruiting no doubt.

Mike Brown is a Tier 1 true all time great among GW greats, but if he has a son, not quite the same as Shawnta, the Dalai Lama of the GW program.
 

By: Bigfan (2,829 posts) - 4/15/2015 12:37:35 PM

We love Shawnta and we'll love Darnell equally or more. Chance to be part of a beloved family legend at GW.

By: Fan (230 posts) - 4/16/2015 12:07:18 PM

get him

By: Fan (230 posts) - 4/16/2015 4:44:03 PM

get hin

By: Fan (230 posts) - 4/16/2015 5:53:12 PM

my second choice after a transfer.  But get both

By: Wax Daddy (193 posts) - 4/16/2015 6:18:44 PM

After seeing the "fan" continuously ask for GW to "get him", Lonergan acted immediately to seal the deal w/ Darnell. Get him, and him, and him- OH and him too!

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 4/21/2015 8:19:40 AM

VIdeo from game last season.  41 points.

By: herve (9,159 posts) - 4/21/2015 9:00:03 AM

MY BM! That video is just not fair! I swear it's 1998!

By: 2cents (32 posts) - 4/21/2015 11:58:52 AM

My, he IS a crafty little fella.

By: ziik (2,950 posts) - 4/21/2015 12:18:52 PM

Nice hair, too. In fact I'd guess he is 3 inches plus of hair. I like it. 

Recalling his father, I think Shawnta must have spent a lot of time on the speed bag (boxing). His hands were so damned fast. Almost as though he beat up his opponent, stole the ball, and was down court, before a ref saw a first "punch." 

By: Bigfan (2,829 posts) - 4/21/2015 7:09:49 PM

This is tormenting me.

Come home, Darnell.

This is the place for you.

By: CPots (486 posts) - 4/21/2015 7:19:13 PM

+1 Come home!!

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 5/7/2015 2:18:44 AM

Shawnta's son is back at it:

http://www.courtsidefilms.com/news_article/show/503283-5-3-darnell-rogers-takes-over-eybl-session-1-

By: CPots (486 posts) - 5/7/2015 4:52:17 AM

Late to the party, this was posted a month ago...

By: Umpleby (148 posts) - 5/7/2015 10:43:32 AM

what does Shawnta do these days? 

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 5/7/2015 10:56:26 AM

I wonder how much of a chance we have at any of the top 2016 pg's now that we have Sina for 2016-17 and 2017-18 and Paul as well.

By: BACCAS92 (705 posts) - 5/7/2015 11:14:56 AM

Zero

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 5/7/2015 12:56:50 PM

That's a video that Darnell himself tweeted last night, as far as I'm aware it hasn't been on this site and is 3x longer the the other video clip that was posted last month.  Entertaining stuff, just like his Dad he seems to have no trouble excelling against much bigger opponents, amazing.

Shawnta played pro until somewhat recently, anyone know? Any recent Shawnta sightings on campus/contact?

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 5/7/2015 1:11:16 PM

Thinker, I wondered the same thing, but despite the youtube highlights and tweets, Darnell hasn't racked up offers yet.  Coaches seem to watch him with amusement, but not many have had experience playing with (or even competing against) someone his size.  We know better though.

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 5/7/2015 1:45:32 PM

I agree BM - It's possible to integrate a 5'3" player into your lineup but it takes some out of the box thinking on the coaches' part. Shawnta was a freak of nature with his incredible stregnth, skill, and athleticism. Obviously he was just an amazing competitor with tremendous toughness. Obviously his son has some of those same features but it's hard to project or know for sure if he can do on the A-10 level what he is doing in HS. I think most coaches just aren't interested in having to rework their system to accomodate a 5'3" player.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 5/7/2015 1:52:41 PM

Offers from just GW and UMES?

By: Igor.. not Yegor (39 posts) - 5/7/2015 2:16:37 PM

Of all the recruits that we have discussed on here over the last decade or two, this is the one I want the most. By no means am I saying that he is the most talented or will have the best career at GW.. just that he is the one I truly want to watch over the next four year at GW. I'm a Cavs fan and I think Kyrie Irving's name was brought up once for about 10 seconds before he blew up and went to Duke. Still, and I am being honest here, I would be more excited to get Darnell in a GW uniform than Kyrie (and I know that sounds ridiculous). My point isn't about level (although I suspect Darnell would do absolutely great here)... it's about family and coming home. Four year of college will inevitably have its ups and downs.. on and off the court. Things happen.. injuries, academics, girlfriends, etc etc etc. Both good and bad. At another school Darnell, like most kids, would be left to sink or swim. At GW, however, he would be welcomed with widest of open arms. Maybe I am wrong but I suspect the amount of love and institutional support from the school and fan base for this kid would be unlike anything that we have seen here in a long time.

One of my favorite students (I run a tennis academy for kids) has been conducting a very thorough college selection process for herself over the last year. To my delight, she proclaimed that she loves DC and wants to go to school there. She applied to GW, Georgetown and American and (as a straight A student) easily got in to all 3. She's a solid tennis player (as she lead her high school team to the state championship) but not good enough to play for either of the DC Schools. She dismissed American as her safety school and has been bantering around GW and Georgetown for several months now. Last week she sat me down and declared that she will be attending Georgetown in the fall. Broke my freaking old man heart.

Darnell... don't break my heart too... come home to GW.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 5/7/2015 2:24:33 PM

Right on Igor, I 2nd this! I think we all feel extra invested in this particular recruit. 

No GW player quite pulls on the heart strings like Shawnta, (and here someone so closely related and resembling him in so many ways) past present and future.
 

By: Rimhigh (29 posts) - 5/7/2015 2:40:34 PM

I completely 3rd the thought.  I had the pleasure of meeting Darnell in Greensboro at the GW/Memphis game and sitting with him and Shawnta for the game.  He seemed to be a very nice, low key kid.  I know he is a lot more worldly than I was at that age having had the priviledge of growing up and receiving education in Europe.  He belongs at GW and would be great for the program.  I would like to see a pipeline of former player's sons start coming.  Georgetown and Maryland seem to be able to make that happen.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 5/7/2015 5:26:37 PM

Right on RimHigh.  Lets indeed build that pipeline.  Wonderful to hear of Shawnta and Darnell together at a GW NCAA Tourney game! May the next time that happens be with Darnell on the court in Buff & Blue and his Dad watching him in the stands!

 

 

 

By: The Other MG (69 posts) - 5/7/2015 6:53:16 PM

Great story,and great post, Igor.  Seems like just the right thing to do for everyone.  Plus, if he came to GW, it would once and for all confirm the power of this board................................jk.

By: Bigfan (2,829 posts) - 5/7/2015 7:19:11 PM

Wasn't it last year that Shawnta came here with Darnell? Think Shawnta lives in South Carolina, if have that right. Or one of the Carolinas.

This is the only true home for Darnell. He will be loved by the fans.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 5/7/2015 7:24:59 PM

Fort Mill, SC - Darnell goes to Indian Land High School in Fort Mil.

May history repeat itself at GW with yet another Rogers.

By: Goo Colonials Go (68 posts) - 5/8/2015 11:42:59 AM

We should just replace the board with the first and third paragraphs of Igor's last post until Darnell makes a decision.

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 5/10/2015 4:35:57 PM

Mike Jarvis retweeted

D1Circuit's avatar

D1 Circuit @D1Circuit
Team CP3 guard Darnell Rogers making moves @rogers_shawnta @CP3 pic.twitter.com/dKg0UotmfM

By: Poog (3,875 posts) - 5/23/2015 2:38:31 PM

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By: squid (1,510 posts) - 5/28/2015 5:19:05 PM

He looks like his pop! Would love to see him here.

By: Fan (230 posts) - 6/3/2015 5:57:02 PM

what is taking so long for a decision.

By: squid (1,510 posts) - 6/3/2015 6:01:13 PM

How quickly did you choose a college? There's a lot to think about. I hope we get him!

By: Free Quebec (6,340 posts) - 6/3/2015 6:16:04 PM

Reading between the lines of Poog's 4/13 post, I am assuming it's going to take a while Fan. 

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 6/3/2015 7:02:33 PM

Darnell looks to be a really exciting talent.

For a player that size to play a major role on a team - let's say at the A-10 level, I'd guess that he has to have NBA 1st round talent in his 5'3" frame. Peanut was definitely an NBA 1st round talent - maybe a lottery pick talent. Tyler Ulis at Kentucky, albeit at 5'9"ish worked out well but he is also a top flight talent. I think a coach has to adjust a ton of things stylistically to make it work. There are going to be a ton of mismatch situations and many to the advantage of the opposing team. Depending on the other team there could just be disastrous matchups either way. It's hard to put a lot of eggs in that basket unless you believe the player is simply a dominating talent.

And when you have a player that size playing a lot then the story line is going to ALWAYS be that player. A coach is going to get his strategy and coaching challenged virtually every game that doesn't end well. Now maybe that mostly happens anyway, but I don't know how many established coaches would really want to take all that on.

I'm not saying ML wouldn't want him or that he shouldn't want him - just that taking him really requires a bunch of adjustments.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 6/3/2015 7:09:47 PM

Many very undersized players have excelled in the A10 and been THE guy on their teams.  It helps when you are built like a piece of granite like the Rogers clan.

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 6/3/2015 7:20:53 PM

What is many? And what is very undersized? And was is excelled? And what is THE guy?

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 6/3/2015 11:35:14 PM

Gosh you wanted to talk basketball and here I was asking basketball questions and making basketball statements.

Other than Peanut I'm not aware of any guys in the 5'3" / 5'4" range who have excelled in the A-10 and were THE man on their team. So I just wanted to know who you were referring to - Obviously there could be guys like that who I'm unfamiliar with.

And I'm not saying the we should or shouldn't recruit Darnell - Just that playing a player that size presents a coach with some real difficult issues -- unless the player is a high level NBA type talent.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 6/3/2015 11:54:25 PM

I was hoping to avoid another Thinker hijacks a thread about GW basketball into an attack on The Dude's viewpoint.  Thought we had enough of those.

What A10 fan really needs that Question answered? Kendall Anthony, Carl Jones, Kwamain Mitchell and Chaz Wiliams come to mind all 5 foot something, all really good A10 players in just the last year or 2, historically lots more.  The A10 is something of a haven for these kinda guys.

 

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 6/4/2015 12:41:06 AM

Asking about how many 5'3"/5'4" players there were under your specification in the A-10 doesn't seem like hijacking on a thread about a 5'3" recruit.

Kendall Anthony 5'8"

Carl Jones 5'11"

Kwamain Mitchell 5'10"

Chaz Williams 5'9"

So these guys are listed at 5, 6, 7, and 8 inches taller than Darnell. That's why I asked the very basketball question before of what does "very undersized" mean to you. To me in the A-10 I don't think 5'11" or 5'10" can really even be called undersized. 5'9" probably undersized not VERY and the same with 5'8" although one could quibble there. But here's the thing Chaz is is playing in the D-League. Carl Jones is playing pro ball in Europe as is Mitchell. Anthony hasn't graduated yet. So these guys are all significantly taller than Darnell and the three who have graduated are playing professionally. I stated at the outset that I thought you can be effective in the A-10 at 5'3" if you're an NBA level talent. 

Your examples really argue against your position and for mine - the smaller you are the more talented you have to be to succeed in the A-10. Those guys are immensely talented and significantly taller. And at 5'3" I think you have to be immensely talented to make it work and you have to have a coach that wants to significantly change things around scheme wise to accomodate that player.

5'3" just isn't close to the same thing as the players you've listed. 

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 6/4/2015 12:49:28 AM

Yes, I was well aware you'd do this.  Yes, you've spent at least 6 weeks turning almost any thread into this type of thing.

"Very Undersized" was what I said, I'll leave it to others to decide if they think Kendall Anthony and Chaz Williams are very very undersized or whether the A10 has had plenty of good very undersized guys (or whether we should be concerned about undersized Darnell's height, its an issue only you seem concerned about, everyone else it seems would love to have him)

By: Bigfan (2,829 posts) - 6/4/2015 12:57:58 AM

This post,at least relates to our great Shawnta and his tremendous son. Let's keep it pure and focused on that and good thoughts. At least leave this thread free of bickering.

This is not a thread to be hijacked. It is a thread for when Darnell is ready to commit to the school that changed his father 's life for the better and will change Darnell's.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 6/4/2015 1:01:46 AM

Haha, yes BigFan and lets extend that to any thread really.

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 6/4/2015 1:41:55 AM

My points have all been on the point of the thread - Darnell and the issues that arise from a 5'3" player. I've said that height raises issues that can only be transcended with immense talent. I have no earthly idea how talented Darnell is.

Dudelaimon disagreed citing the examples of players who are a lot taller and 3 of 4 having established themselves as professional players.
 

He complains elsewhere - why can't we just discuss basketball? I'm asking him to do that and he calls it hijacking.

I could have said Dudelaimon's point was stupid or asked him if he was one of Bernie's Boys. But I didn't - Instead I just defeated his argument with basketball analysis and so he has had to seek refuge by evading the basketball points.

No hijacking needed here. How many 5'3" / 5'4" guys can we point to in recent years who were successful in the A-10 or elsewhere? Some? Give me some examples. None? Then say "good point Thinker" and move on. Just don't list professional players who are significantly taller than Darnell and claim that has any relevance.

By: Free Quebec (6,340 posts) - 6/4/2015 8:20:56 AM

marques green from Bona went about 5'5" or 5'6" and was first team all league  I think Marsalious Basey (so?) from West Virginia just before Shawnta was also in the 5'6" range.  But of course at 5'3", it's Shawnta and Muggsy Bogues and that's it.

  Everyone thought Shawnta would cause mismatches for the opposing teams but he never did, even in the post because he was too strong for opposing guards to post up    But his son is going to have to be a remarkable player to be as good as his dad  

 

By: bobo (3,178 posts) - 6/4/2015 9:03:13 AM

While I think it's foolish to go after a recruit because you REALLY REALLY liked his father, I think we all knew what Dude was referring to when he said undersized players have done well in the A10 historically.  Even guys like Kendall Anthony can be productive as a way undersized SG at 5-8.

 

By: Poog (3,875 posts) - 6/4/2015 9:24:42 AM

5'3" is significantly shorter than many of the other "Randy Newman" players being mentioned here so there is naturally a higher level of concern about recruiting Darnell Rogers, a concern greatly mitigated for many of us who saw his father star at GW. If Lonergan thinks he will succeed on the court and Admissions believes he can succeed in the classroom, then I'd expect GW to go hard after him. If either side of the GW equation is skeptical about Darnell's chances of success, then the school will be more likely to pass. I assume that most of us are hoping for the former. I would simply add what I hope for all recruits pursued by GW in all sports -- that the school and the situation is the right fit for them.

By: squid (1,510 posts) - 6/4/2015 11:42:14 AM

I think most of us have zero concern recruiting him because, like you said, his dad was an awesome player (and a great guy to boot) and, at least in my opinion, I am sick of people saying about athletes that they are good but they are too small. It's been proven time and again by players who people think are too small that they aren't.

By: Bigfan (2,829 posts) - 6/4/2015 12:44:24 PM

The point is for the Rogers family, in the event anyone does read this, that we appreciate and understand Darnell's great talent because of what his father did for GW--and most important in this case, what GW did for his father.

That should make Darnell feel more comfortable here, rather than face size skepticism elsewhere, because Darnell comes in beloved by GW fans.

There's no doubt against what seems to be challenging high school and AAU competition, Darnell is the man. Like his father, he can be the man here, while Darnell can make his own legend and name under a good guard-oriented coach in a comfortable, supportive environment.

By: ziik (2,950 posts) - 6/4/2015 12:50:17 PM

Lots of players are, in fact, too short to succeed. Not so with Nut. He seems to have been taught every skill imaginable to turn his size into an attribute, and I am certain his is passing those skills on to his son.

I always was impressed with his fast hands, and his ability to steal the ball. I am just about convinced that he hit his man two or three times to loosen the opponent's handle on the ball, but Shawnta's hands were too fast to be seen. (ergo, no fouls) He was just that quick.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 6/4/2015 2:01:56 PM

Exactly Bobo (and others) the point is that undersized players have done well in the A10 and one could tell quite easily what the actual intent of picking on that phrase was. 

Kendall Anthony was LISTED at 5'8 140 but is actually 5'6 128ish  Some other good examples FQ brought up here too.  Frankly there's some size at which I'm not sure that 5'4 and 5'7 is really a difference, the common thread of most of these guys is that like Shawnta and Darnell they are built like absolute granite walls.  Chaz too.  You can't even post up a guy that strong, you ever try to? I have, they're the hardest to post up oddly.

I'd be THRILLED to have him and that's the reaction the Rogers family would have if they read this thread despite a post or two.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 6/4/2015 2:11:56 PM

Speaking of the Rogers family, this should really be here for them as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTYOKBnpX1U

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 6/4/2015 3:10:34 PM

Dude - I don't know what to say. 

Kendall Anthony is only LISTED at 5'8" but he's really 5'6"? Says who where? How do we really know how tall anyone is? Is the listing with shoes or without? Until someone has been measured by independent people at a combine type situation or draft workout it's all speculation. And the presumption is that schools routinely exaggerate their players' heights. How tall is Darnell? Is he actually 5'1"? You can accept listed heights or you not - but you can't cherry pick the one's that you like and ignore the one you don't.

FQ has an amazing memory (MUCH better than mine). Green was listed as 5'6" and left Bonaventure in 2004 and has played professionally in Europe almost continuously since. GREAT professional player.

Marsalis Basey was listed at 5'8" and left West Virginia in 1994. He was a GREAT athlete as well in three sports. He played minor league baseball for the Astros. He was an excellent football player who supposedly could have been a DI fullback but broke one of his vertebrae and quit football. Yinka put him in the GW hospital with a tough pick in a game. He was a 2nd team A-10 player.

So yes - EXACTLY my point -- at that kind of size you have to be an immense talent to succeed. And there have been some little guys who had immense talent who succeeded. Peanut and 5 of the other 6 guys listed played professional basketball or baseball. Only Peanut and Mugsy has done so in the 5'4" range.

So disagree just to disagree if you have to but what I've said is Darnell would have to be immensely talented to succeed and I don't know one way or another if he is.

Also I don't really see the built like a granite wall physique in the photo above - maybe you have some others?

Here's his dad

Photo

Finally you couldn't post up a strong little guy in your driveway or intramurals? That's your argument why we don't have to ponder the fit of a 5'3" player? 

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 6/4/2015 3:24:07 PM

Is this really the right thread for this?

(setting aside that you turn any thread into Thinker hijacks each thread to attack The Dude's every comment thing and multiple people have now requested you cease doing so here)

You must not be looking closely, Darnell is very strong, he's also 7 years younger in that picture than the one you posted of his pop.

 

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 6/4/2015 3:31:28 PM

Looks very strong like his Dad. Darnell as a HS Freshman:

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 6/4/2015 3:41:56 PM

Here's my MO - post stupid stuff and I'll challenge it. Make points that get refuted - concede the point. BTW - the picture of Darnell above looks a lot bigger than the earlier one in the thread. See that wasn't so hard. Don't want to dialogue with me - don't comment on my posts. I actually haven't seen anyone in this thread except you disagree with anything I've said in this thread. You're disagreeing just to disagree - that's really the hijacking. 

By: squid (1,510 posts) - 6/4/2015 4:12:45 PM

Guys, take it to the pissing match thread. We don't come here to read you two argue.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 6/4/2015 4:17:28 PM

If you want to actually dissuade that type of thing, lets be very clear about who is the source of that. This thread could not make that any clearer Squid.

This was a thread for people to discuss Darnell Rogers.  It was very obvious who tried to hijack it and who has tried to steer away from that and back to Darnell.

By: Danjsport (1,195 posts) - 6/4/2015 4:37:08 PM

As one who is too young to have been a GW fan for Shawnta, I hope his son comes and provides enjoyment for fans somewhere near what his father provided to GW fans.

Good luck to Darnell wherever he winds up--hopefully it's to play ball at Smitty

By: Hugh (209 posts) - 6/4/2015 4:43:31 PM

I'm with squid.

By: squid (1,510 posts) - 6/4/2015 6:36:13 PM

The Dude, no one cares who started it, this isn't kindergarten. Take the arguing somewhere else, no one else wants to read it.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 6/4/2015 6:46:52 PM

No, I'm serious, if people genuinely care, they'd direct that at the source, as several accurately did without you writing this multiple times.  I was thinking this last post woud be back to Darnell only to see yet another same post from you Squid.  Thinker to be fair was at least was writing about Darnell (Sort of) you're not. I can see how people would have the same reaction when a genuine discussion about  Darnell turns into something else.

As for you Squid feel free to focus on that other site of yours where you get to actually dictate the entirety of the content.  Frankly it could use a little bit more liveliness to it.

By: Hugh (209 posts) - 6/4/2015 7:19:20 PM

#TeamSquid

By: Rich Maier (17 posts) - 6/4/2015 7:28:32 PM

nominate squid for post of the year

By: Free Quebec (6,340 posts) - 6/5/2015 9:27:09 AM

For the record, it was a Bill Brigham pick (not Yinka) that broke Marsalis Basey's collar bone.

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 6/5/2015 10:33:18 AM

I guess Yinka made for a better story for the West Virginia article I saw. In my defense the article WAS on the internet.

By: The MV (4,915 posts) - 6/5/2015 11:16:53 AM

The fascinating thing about recruit threads is how many here can formulate strong opinions without knowing a whole lot about the recruit.  BM does a tremendous job providing this information and this post is not at all meant to suggest that he should stop.  And sure, there will be some cases where some here have direct knowledge of the player (i.e. they know the player, the player's family, or the player's high school or AAU coach, they've actually seen the player play in person, etc.).  Short of this, we're left to look at things like size and build or presumed skills from a highlight video or a player rating or in this particular thread, a gene pool.

I do believe this thread may take the championship when it comes to strongest consensus ever regarding a particular recruit.  Which begs the question, if Darnell were not Shawnta's son, would you want this recruit to come to GW just as badly?  My guess is that some may but most would not.

This is not to say that Darnell will or will nopt be a great college player.  In the often said words of Lefty Driesell, "you know, I don't know."  And, I don't.  I can tell you that the odds are likely not in his favor.  Shawnta was such an exception to the rule that you can not overstate this.  His key was his strength, his lower center of gravity allowed him to defend physically and not tire on the offensive end.  His amazingly quick instincts allowed him to be a great rebounder because he tracked down every loose ball imaginable.  If Darnell lacks this strength, he will only have his quickness to rely on.  He'd likely be very exciting to watch on offense (like his dad), but will be easy to shoot over on defense.  Rebounding could go either way.

The other major concern I have would be the inevitable comparisons he would receive to his dad.  This could be a good thing, maybe Darnell is the type of young man who would embrace these comparisons and happily accept the challenge to be an even greater player than his dad.  Or, maybe these comparisons would be unfair resulting in a heavier burden than Darnell should have to bear. 

I acknowledge that this post must feel like a kill-joy to some but I did think it was worth pointing out that there are many considerations that should be paid by both our coaching staff as well as Darnell and his family.  That said, if he's 2/3 the player that Shawnta was, sign him up!

By: Danjsport (1,195 posts) - 6/5/2015 12:07:06 PM

MV--good post.  If Darnell wasn't Shawnta's kid, I can't imagine many on this board would be thinking like this.  WIth that said, tradition is something I'd like to see GW build more on--and create more of.  If we can create a rooting interest based on a kid because his father played here, that's a good thing.  I'm all for JR's kid coming too when he's old enough.

While we all (rightfully) discuss that there are only so many recruits and so many spots on the roster, I'm pretty comfortable that if ML wants Darnell, and if Darnell wants GW, room can be made for him.  Maybe he's his father (wouldn't that be great!).  Maybe he's a 5'3 kid who happens to share the name as his father and can't play in a totally different era than his father played (wouldn't that be sad).  But, to me, if the kid can play and ML thinks he can play, he's worth the roster spot.

By: Free Quebec (6,340 posts) - 6/5/2015 12:09:16 PM

Poog has now posted what seem like a giant hint abpout his recruiting twice on this thread and other than myself, I'm not sure anyone else has even noticed.

By: THE DUDE (529 posts) - 6/5/2015 2:03:04 PM

I noticed, but as this juncture is that something you actually want to speculate about on THIS thread? I'd say somewhere else or not at all.

MV, interesting question.  I think the answer is that of course being Shawnta's son plays a role in fans interest in the player, and I'm more than ok with that (our staff needs to think rationally, fans will be fans)  For those though who have taken the time, there's a lot more to Darnell than Shawnta's equally undersized son.  He's playing a big role on a very high level AAU team, he shares a lot of similarities not just size with his Dad's incredible skill set, he's generating a lot of buzz from non GW folks, and he's ranked 85th in the country from at least one source:

https://future150.com/hs/basketball-profiles/darnell-rogers-pg-2016

By: Hugh (209 posts) - 6/5/2015 4:02:22 PM

He was given a grade of 85 out of 100. Not ranked 85th.

By: The Dude (529 posts) - 6/5/2015 4:10:19 PM

Ah good spot Hugh, misread, you're right.  85 was the grade, 2016 rankings hit a paywall but 2015 85 grade ranked in their top 150 nationally (stil pretty good) :

https://future150.com/hs/basketball-rankings/2015/100/

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 6/5/2015 6:12:23 PM

FQ,

Considering Nut had issues getting into GW and his older brother had loooots of academic issues, not a stretch to think it's going to be a challenge for him.  Having said that, I don't think ML would've gone after him if he didn't think he could get in.

Reading between the tweets, it seems like he has been laid up by a bout of tendonitis and is looking at the silver lining of the break letting him get his life back together.  Hoping that it means concentrating on finishing out the school year.

By: Free Quebec (6,340 posts) - 6/5/2015 6:55:37 PM

You are probably right about that in general, Dude, but given the creative way Jarvis got Shawnta in here in December, I don't think it's a taboo subject and it seems to be one that will impact whether he comes here as much or perhaps more than any other.

Mostly, though when I read a passing match in the thread after all those 'what's taking so long' and get him at all costs' threads (especially the latter, which was said by multiple posters), I can't help but think a lot of folks are missing the big picture here. 

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 6/5/2015 8:10:46 PM

From what I have learned about the recruting process over the years figuring out the academic part of a recruit - especially in his junior or earlier years - is hard. It's very difficult to know what HS is "helping" a student with classes or grades. If UNC and Syracuse can do it - you can be sure that high schools can do it. Another big key is getting acceptable scores on different tests like the SAT. Guys can keep taking it until they get the right score. Some guys may not take it until their senior year. It may be pretty late in the process before you can be sure if the player will qualify AND some guys screw up classes late in their senior year. I believe Hobbs lost a good player from Oregon (Cunningham?) because he couldn't get a good score on the SAT.

I have ZERO idea what kind of student Darnell is and ML certainly has a better idea but it's VERY HARD to know for sure sometimes until much later in the year. So that we are listed as recruiting him doesn't mean that ML knows whether Darnell will qualify or not.

By: ziik (2,950 posts) - 6/5/2015 8:21:19 PM

This is one arena in which Richard Nixon was right on target. Just like he wanted to appoint a Supreme Court Justice to represent the interests of mediocrity, GW ought to be able to grant scholarships to the occasional poor student, even the occasional non-student. (I say this knowing full well that Darnell will earn hs place on his own merits. Just saying we need to cut a bit of slack, much like DUKE and UNC do, routinely.)

By: Bigfan (2,829 posts) - 6/5/2015 8:46:30 PM

Imagine that like his father, who set a great example by going back to school, Darnell can accomplish anything he sets his mind to.

By: The Dude (529 posts) - 6/5/2015 9:10:42 PM

Ziik, two arenas, Nixon HATED Georgetown

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/richard-nixon-georgetown-set-118607.html#.VXJIL0bSmsN

By: thinker (2,825 posts) - 6/5/2015 10:18:06 PM

Ziik - There are two different academic standards

1 - The lower NCAA basic qualifications

2 - What GW decides its minimum will be - almost always higher than the NCAA standard.

We can't avoid the NCAA standards but anything above that is simply an internal GW policy that we can change in any way we want for whomever we want.

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 6/6/2015 9:26:27 AM

More video

By: Bigfan (2,829 posts) - 6/6/2015 4:01:18 PM

A shot of Darnell sticking his tongue out, just like his father. Also, is aleader, guiding his teammates on defense.

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 7/6/2015 2:27:24 PM

Apparently going to Towson.

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 7/6/2015 2:27:45 PM

Grant Williams

@GrantWillPds

Darnell Rogers has officially commited to Towson university

By: BM (5,673 posts) - 7/6/2015 2:31:23 PM

Forget it.  Looks like he deleted the tweet.  BTW, we're recruiting him too.

By: Bigfan (2,829 posts) - 7/6/2015 4:05:46 PM

Why go to Towson when you can play for GW with a huge reservoir of fan love and goodwill?

Only thing is it is near Baltimore. So is GW.

Maybe this young man who prematurely tweeted confused Towson with GW.

Apparently, he is welcome to come here as well. So he can play with Darnell.

By: NYGW (132 posts) - 7/6/2015 4:29:41 PM

Really, Towson? I draw the line here. 

By: MOCO Observer (50 posts) - 7/6/2015 6:25:57 PM

Don't kill the messenger here but ... Would not be surprised if it was Towson. Several reasons - (1) one of Shawnta's coaches at GW (Kevin Clark) is an assistant at Towson; (2) it's in Baltimore where the Rogers greater family resides; (3) not sure if GW is as sold on him as those here; and (4) not sure whether he is qualified yet (which if not then ML would probably shy away). I guess time will tell all.

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