By: kaj (51 posts) - 11/28/2015 4:31:53 PMIf anyone has a good explanation why Joe and Pato weren't on the court at the end of that game, I'm all ears. You've been riding your seniors all game and then you take them out on the biggest play of the game? I'm sorry, that horrible ending's all on Lonergan. By: MD-DC (147 posts) - 11/28/2015 4:34:12 PMI think that was the same feeling we had in the chat. I don't have an explanation. And my wife doesn't either, as she told me while I yelled at my computer.By: 2014 Colonial (4 posts) - 11/28/2015 4:36:01 PMI think Yuta was also on the bench for the last possession. Took out 3 of our most reliable players to hang the game on Paul, Mitola, and Hart?By: Mike K (1,177 posts) - 11/28/2015 4:37:13 PMit was confusing. i look forward to hearing the rationale.By: Mike K (1,177 posts) - 11/28/2015 4:37:44 PMpaulie did have a good look thoughBy: ziik (2,950 posts) - 11/28/2015 4:39:56 PMIt seemed like a Bizarro World decision, like he was saving his starters for an OT that would never come.By: Alumnus (2,050 posts) - 11/28/2015 4:41:32 PMYeah, that was one of the weirdest moves in a while. At least if Joe and Pato are out there, they draw most of the coverage in that situation. And they both shot well today. Jorgensen wasn't having a good game to begin with. Hard to fathom. Well, we hung tough despite KevLar scoring only 1 point. This experience should serve us well as we go along. 6-1 with wins over Virginia and Tennessee is nothing to cry about. By: GW26 (267 posts) - 11/28/2015 4:41:36 PMpossession before PJ three was bizarre as well. Had Mitola on , got discombobulated in front of ML. No timeout and Yuta chucked a 3 By: bobo (3,178 posts) - 11/28/2015 4:42:41 PMJorgensen is probably the best GW has for creating his own shot so I see why he'd be in. McDonald, Jorgensen, Yuta and Garino plus 1 big man in either Cav or Larsen would be my choice. Jorgensen sometimes tries to do too much and doesn't always make good decisions...but he's not afraid of taking the big shot. My guess is that in practice Hart and Mitola are the best pure 3 pt shooters and that's why ML put them in the game where the only play for all but the ball handler is to shoot the 3. If Larsen had just put a body on Ellis and denighed the put back tip in then GW would have been shooting for 2 pts instead of having to go for 3 and the roster would have been completely different. Larsen's great in some games but pulls disapearing acts against big/strong opponents too often.By: The Dude (529 posts) - 11/28/2015 4:43:39 PMGreat points, mulitple bizarro world bad decisions, bad possessions. Not ML's finest moments of Coaching there.By: GW26 (267 posts) - 11/28/2015 4:44:12 PMpossession before PJ three was bizarre as well. Had Mitola on , got discombobulated in front of ML. No timeout and Yuta chucked a 3 By: bobo (3,178 posts) - 11/28/2015 4:45:36 PMJorgensen is probably the best GW has for creating his own shot so I see why he'd be in. McDonald, Jorgensen, Yuta and Garino plus 1 big man in either Cav or Larsen would be my choice. Jorgensen sometimes tries to do too much and doesn't always make good decisions...but he's not afraid of taking the big shot. My guess is that in practice Hart and Mitola are the best pure 3 pt shooters and that's why ML put them in the game where the only play for all but the ball handler is to shoot the 3. If Larsen had just put a body on Ellis and denighed the put back tip in then GW would have been shooting for 2 pts instead of having to go for 3 and the roster would have been completely different. Larsen's great in some games but pulls disapearing acts against big/strong opponents too often.By: RKelley (152 posts) - 11/28/2015 4:45:56 PMThat must've been overthought. I was so puzzled by Joe's benching, I didn't even realize Garino wasn't in. If nothing else, draw the defense to Garino, your best 3-shooter to get someone else open... Maybe it was a sneak attack. Nobody has scouted Hart, Cinci had a long look at both Garino and Joe. Still, you always want your leaders in the game at a crucial time, in any sport, at any level. By: dmvpiranha (11/28/2015 4:46:42 PM)On a positive note Swan played better than usualBy: dmvpiranha (11/28/2015 4:47:36 PM)On a positive note Swan played better than usualBy: cagwu (645 posts) - 11/28/2015 4:50:18 PMI'll take 6-1 and 39 minutes of amazingly tough GW basketball today. I'll take GW regressing to the (expected higher) mean from the 3pt range as FQ has said. I'll take two NCAA calibre teams going at it for a championship at a MTE, where refs were letting the teams play. I'll take some quality defensive minutes from Swan and Roland against top flight competition. Hope this lights a fire for the team that carries into the dangerously deceptive December/Winter doldrums. Let's hope the team has another gear (or two) once they start what appears to be the toughest A10 ever, based on out-of-conference winning percentage. All of this is preparing the team for big things come March. Lets deepen the bench, stay healthy, and keep feeding the bigs.By: Poster (5 posts) - 11/28/2015 4:50:19 PMGood game guys. Good luck the rest of the way.By: ziik (2,950 posts) - 11/28/2015 4:51:31 PMI think ML coached his ass off yesterday, though. And, he is masterful at getting his guys to play to their strengths. Hart and Mitola, and the maturation of PJ, are working well. He's going to have a bench, maybe even a bench with a little size, by February.By: The Dude (529 posts) - 11/28/2015 4:54:20 PMCincy alos allowed to handcheck the entire game without fouls called. Left hand into the back of driving defenders, every dribble drive has a defender edging with a hand. This is what ugly hoops looks like and why the NCAA has changed the rules, need the refs to call these fouls. We shot tremendously from 3 and scored only 56. Please keep that in if you think refs are calling TOO many fouls as they have been ordered to do. As the season progresses you can see them regress to not calling these fouls. How is a physical hand checking team playing under these new rules and allowed to play an entire game like that with so few fouls? Not good.By: The Dude (529 posts) - 11/28/2015 5:00:00 PM3 for 4 from the line. We got 4 FTs in 40 minutes Vs an exceptionally physical team.By: BACCAS92 (705 posts) - 11/28/2015 5:08:05 PMI left the house I was watching at with 7 minutes left. 44. My heart was about to stop. Win would have been nice but I think we can come close to playing anybody in the country. Hopefully, we don't lose OOC anymore and go 14-2 in a tough A-10. We have a national tracking now so no stupid losses like not showing up against La Salle last year. I learned that our big men disappear against powerful big men. But stuff happens. So let's get as many wins as possible and hope our RPI is strong. Penn State is horrible. Don't know about Seton Hall.By: dmvpiranha (11/28/2015 5:13:28 PM)so I'm guessing we are going to have roughly the same number of votes as last week in the next AP poll?By: Poster (5 posts) - 11/28/2015 5:14:40 PMMl did not coach well in the stretch today. The offense was stagnant with no one shooting. To take Joe and Pato out was foolish. Wantanabe too tentative. TC only banger out there. Leave the same 5 out there for more than 2 minutes. Ridiculous. Should have won this game. By: Poster (5 posts) - 11/28/2015 5:14:41 PMMl did not coach well in the stretch today. The offense was stagnant with no one shooting. To take Joe and Pato out was foolish. Wantanabe too tentative. TC only banger out there. Leave the same 5 out there for more than 2 minutes. Ridiculous. Should have won this game. By: Tim4 (821 posts) - 11/28/2015 5:15:08 PMMuch more confused by the Mitola for Cav sub with 1 minute to go than the last possession. If memory serves, down by 1 we take out Cav and put in Alex. Team looks totally confused and doesn't really run a play. Garino drives to bucket and kicks to Yuta for a heave at end of shot clock that misses. No timeout called so Cav stays on bench and Yuta is the 4. Cincy drives down, misses a shot but has uncontested put back at the rim because Larsen was out trapping and Cav was on the bench. Bewildering 2 possessions that basically sealed the game. Can see argument for having PJ take last 3, though not what I would've done. Don't understand the Cavanaugh benching at all. Maybe I missed something but that was a crucial turn of events. By: GW Fan (509 posts) - 11/28/2015 5:23:50 PMThe end of game lineup was puzzling. if I had to guess, I'd say that maybe Mitola, Hart and PJ all have a quicker release than Joe or Pato, and since we were down three with about 15 seconds left he thought they'd have a better chance of getting a shot off from 3 when that's what the defense was going to focus on. I really liked how we were able to get good looks for our outside shooters today and that our bench hit shots when they entered the game. Also really liked Matt's pull-up from the elbow. Hopefully we keep the outside shooting going at a respectable level. My glass half full view is that we almost won a neutral court game against a ranked team when we didn't do much inside and PJ had an off game. It's early in the season, but we're already playing like a well-coached veteran team. We're going to be a tough out come league play. By: BACCAS92 (705 posts) - 11/28/2015 5:24:45 PMLook I think he put in the 3 pt shooters. I didn't see it (as I mentioned I couldn't handle the stress--I prefer a blow out either way at least than I know and not being anxious). He put in Buckingham Palace (all the guards) because he wanted save the seniors for OT. That was a tactical decision based on Sun Tzu and the Art of War. Cinncinati is deeper than us by 2-3 players so he was trying to get us rest. So when you are weak (7-8 players to 10) appear strong by using your bench. It is a tactical decision that didn't work. The fallacy was the starters, Garino and McDonald, had been hitting threes so one could argue they had the stroke today. He just outthought himself. It happens. By: dmvpiranha (11/28/2015 5:30:31 PM)Go with your starting 5. Those are your best players and give you best chance to win. ML lost this one and I was thereto watch it. By: Free Quebec (6,340 posts) - 11/28/2015 5:43:34 PMI was so was stuck driving and didn't get to watch replay yet, but listened to Byron Kerr's great call the whole way. I'm not surprised that Cincy was too big and physically inside. They are a very tough matchup for us - I'm not sure there are 15 teams in the country that big/physical/deep/-as tough for us to matchup with. I think ML and everyone else on the team knew they needed to hit threes to stay in there. So I'm pleased they found a way to hang around, but not too overwrought at the ending (maybe because I didn't see it). Can't explain the lineup except maybe ML wanted his best ball handlers and shooters out there)? Close game and hopefully we will learn. By: The Dude (529 posts) - 11/28/2015 5:44:28 PMDMVpiranha and others, agree. Go with the best 5, who played great, instead we had Mitola in to defend against that team?? No Joe and Pato for a critical possession?? It happens to Coaches, even the really good ones like our guy ML. Bizarre substutions, confused sets, confusion how to handle the defense, 15 seconds allowed to run off clock down 1 with 30 secs to go. If there's one mark of a well coached team its preparation in how to handle these situations. Today it was a mess. ML will hopefully make the necessary corrections. Proud the way the team battled. Great to see the 3 ball shots raining down in the first half. Pato JoeMac and Yuta were 8 for 15 from range, needing a 3, designed last play for PJ who did not hit a shot today and is 2 for 10 from 3 this year. A few possessions/decisions away from a 7-0 month to rival any start to the OOC in GW history. Instead, we're off to a still very good 6-1. By: ziik (2,950 posts) - 11/28/2015 5:52:00 PMKev's issues just show what we know: GW lacks real skilled bigs, and ML needs to creatively work around the issue. Kev's play yesterday was more akin to what we can expect. But, the better teams, like Cincy, do usually have GW beat hands down up front Overall, nice effort By: ziik (2,950 posts) - 11/28/2015 6:04:42 PM(I don't mean the bigs we have are not skilled. KevCav is. Just that the better teams may have 4-5-6 guys, to GW's 2. Maybe next year ....)By: bobo (3,178 posts) - 11/28/2015 6:14:09 PMJorgensen is probably the best GW has for creating his own shot so I see why he'd be in. McDonald, Jorgensen, Yuta and Garino plus 1 big man in either Cav or Larsen would be my choice. Jorgensen sometimes tries to do too much and doesn't always make good decisions...but he's not afraid of taking the big shot. My guess is that in practice Hart and Mitola are the best pure 3 pt shooters and that's why ML put them in the game where the only play for all but the ball handler is to shoot the 3. If Larsen had just put a body on Ellis and denighed the put back tip in then GW would have been shooting for 2 pts instead of having to go for 3 and the roster would have been completely different. Larsen's great in some games but pulls disapearing acts against big/strong opponents too often.By: Free Quebec (6,340 posts) - 11/28/2015 6:15:36 PMZiik there probably isn't another team on our schedule with as many bigs as that. Even most of the top 25 can't dominate us inside like that. Cincy is a uniquely tough matchup for us, in terms of personal and stregnths and good preparation for rest of season. Plus the fact the guys know they shoulda won should give them a lot of confidence. By: Mentzinger (11/28/2015 6:16:40 PM)not like Garino hit five of his last six from 3. ....By: The Dude (529 posts) - 11/28/2015 6:19:25 PMTipped in ball was also 85% inside the cylinder. Awful no call, awful announcing. Micrcosm of the game, clown announcers, clown reffing. Instead of down 1, we're down 3. JoeMac MUST be on the court on the final posessions. Lets never make that mistake again please ML. Even if PJ takes the 3, Joe should be there to direct the offense and crash the best boards as our best rebounder. Pato, all season to date and again today en fuego and he has the size to elevate over a defender who knows the 3 is coming. Instead the last 3 has PJ and no deception to its design, we merely spread the court and have one pick from Kev, which means invariably its Kev's defender at 6'9 on the switch for 6'2 PJ to heave a 3 over. By: ziik (2,950 posts) - 11/28/2015 6:24:39 PMI wasn't just looking at our scheduled opponents, FQ. Otherwise, I agree with all you say: more reason for optimism than pessimism after this week. One thing I wonder: is there a "missing link"? A single factor the team can improve on, to put it over the top. Continued competition will make these guys tough to beat by February. But, suppose Yuta makes a quantum leap? Or Hart, or Mitola? I have heard Yuta has moves in practice we won't likely see in games this season. Is he ready to break out? Is that possible? I love his scoop-layup. Things like that can really confound opponents, esp. if they need to guard him, Pato, KevCav. etc all at once. Well, I am dreamin. By: Tennessee Colonial (1,179 posts) - 11/28/2015 7:06:20 PMMissed gimmes, slippery floor causing 2 turnovers at crucial times, no fouls on Cincy, no offensive foul, allowed tip in, having balled pulled out of our rebounders hands, just a whole slew of little things that cost the game. But ML did let some bench players play in this important game and they acquitted themselves well. Its a loss so we have to move on.By: Pkgw (180 posts) - 11/28/2015 7:17:49 PMPossible reason for sub: starters legs not there due to 2 games within 14 hours. Missed 9 of last 10 3 pt attenpts maybe due to tired legs. Coach went for the fresh legs over the clutch starter. Did not work out and looks poor in retrospect. Tough loss but nothing to be worried about. Must protect home court on WedBy: Colonial'13 (94 posts) - 11/28/2015 7:21:28 PMI was at the game today and have a few points I wanted to bring up: 1. Maybe it was just sitting with the other GW faithful, but the refs seemed to miss some obvious calls in the second half that really hurt us. 2. There were several very awkward possesions inthe second half where the players looked like they had no idea what to do, with or without the ball. I think it was ML calling a play that got blown up then everyone standing around in confusion. I got the sense that ML tried to call too many plays, especially in the second half. 3. Our three point shooting was, and hopefully will continue to be, what we hoped it would be. 4. Our bigs had real issues scoring today, for the first time this season. Frustrating and strange to see, but I guess should have been expected when going against Cincinnati with the defense they run and the big bodies they have. Well played game though, we needed to lose one eventually and would rather it be to the #24 team in the country than Seton HallBy: Poster (5 posts) - 11/28/2015 7:41:34 PMI don't like Mitola. Too small. Defensive liability. Cincy hit a bunch of 3s by just elevating over him. It's giving a good 3pt shooter an open look when he defends.By: gwsb14 (77 posts) - 11/28/2015 7:47:36 PMWe also had 3 timeouts. No idea why we didn't use one of them.By: Bigfan (2,829 posts) - 11/28/2015 8:47:28 PMDidn't make a lot of sense. Joe hits big shots. Pato the 3. Paulie is a gamer,so good to have him in. He missed on a good look. Unless fouled on a 3, Alex's ft shooting doesn't matter and his shooting is unexpectedly dicey. Yuta not ready for that shoot. Don't know why TC was replaced by Alex,except FT's,but created a big mismatch. Oh well, we blew a game that we led almost all the way, pissing it away painfully at the end. Friday night was a preview,with a worse collapse. This would have been a great win,but as depressing and unfortunate as it is, isn't a bad loss. Real test is whether we can recover and win out at home in December. By: Poster (5 posts) - 11/28/2015 8:59:49 PMI don't like Mitola. Too small. Defensive liability. Cincy hit a bunch of 3s by just elevating over him. It's giving a good 3pt shooter an open look when he defends.By: Maine Colonial (487 posts) - 11/28/2015 9:22:01 PMHere are the Cinci highlights and the Cinci post game interview...Coach Cronin gave his analysis of the game: LINKBy: GW Fan (509 posts) - 11/28/2015 9:34:13 PMNot calling a timeout is all on the players. We had 3 they could have usedBy: Free Quebec (6,340 posts) - 11/28/2015 10:27:23 PMSome really interesting stuff in the Mick Cronin postgame interview that Maine Colonial posted: 1) With only one day to prepare, he thought they probably focused too much on stopping Larsen becuase Larsen is so good. But GW did what good teams do, which is find the open man and we have a lot of guys who can knock down shots. 2) Most of our threes, he thought, were because we were beating them off the dribble and kicking it. We forced him to go small and the three guard lineup is what helped them slow down our perimeter barrage and let them pull it out. (not sure how many here noticed that was what was going on - something to watch in conference play when we know opposing personnel better). 3) He also said that teams have to beat them off the dribble to beat their defense because of the way they run their defense against screens. That to me suggests a defense that ought to be affected by the new rules perhaps more than they were today. (also explains again why they are a tough matchup - our offense is not predicated on beating teams off the dribble, though obvioulsy we did a good bit of that today). 4) They tried to recruit Cavanaugh a little, he said. 5) Also just generally complementary about our team. Not just the coaching, like most opponents say, but also talked about how talented we are. By: ziik (2,950 posts) - 11/28/2015 11:05:21 PMI think ML believed he'd said his Hail Mary's, and the game was in the bag, no matter who took the last shot in regulation. He was looking ahead to overtime. It was a decent game, against respected competition. It's gonna be part of this team's makeup that they can play tough, take a hit, and be resilient.By: LA Fan (1,525 posts) - 11/29/2015 12:26:49 AMIf we want to make some noise in March we will need to go 8 deep. I know some believe that you can go 7 deep, but the season is too much of a grind to expect 5 or 6 guys to get all of the minutes and score every point. Those 5 or 6 guys start to get tired and foul, or worse get injured. We have a couple of players off the bench who look like they can play against high level competition. PJ - definitely, Hart - probably. But we will need a bigger guy to come in and give us minutes. That falls to Swan or Cimino. We need these guys to make some noise. If one or both of them can develop between now and February, I will feel a lot more confident about our prospects. But first we need Cimino to get off crutches.By: The Dude (529 posts) - 11/29/2015 12:36:02 AMWhat about our class of 2015 Freshmen?By: Long Suffering Fan (4,106 posts) - 11/29/2015 3:24:48 AMNot only has JoeMac proven himself repeatedly in the clutch, but he has always been a solid 3 point shooter and was especially hot today, having hit 3-5, plus one that was blown off due to a shot clock violation. And he is a senior. When were have the ball in the last minute down 3, I will never, ever understand why he wasn't in the game. Admittedly, it is not likely that we win the game at that point even with Joe in the game (we lost the game on tough 30 seconds non call that resulted in a basket for Cincy as well as their "and one" after we took the lead by 2 (which should have been 3 but Kev blew another clutch free throw) Cincy was a little bit better than us and the game reflected that. But Joe needed to be in at the end. To tired to look for post game interviews now having just arrived back from Brooklyn (I stopped for Chinese with my sister in Jersey which is why I was so late), But I would love to read or listen to the post game ML intereview.