the dude3/13/2018 7:42:09 PM
A10 gets the national spotlight tonight. Bonnies have the type of team to make a Sweet 16 run. can they get by UCLA?
Rhode Island vs Oklahoma is going to be fun to see too. And Davidson vs Kentucky. 3 real marquee games for the A10.
free quebec3/13/2018 8:51:08 PM
I’m very interested to see this Bonnies - UCLA game. Great guard matchup with Adams and Holliday. My gut says Mobley won’t be as hot as he was in the A10 tourney, but if Stockard is back Bona should have enough scoring. Question is whether they can defend and get defensive rebounds.
Tbomas Welch is tough, and Bona hasn’t faced a lot of 7 footers, but sometimes he’s just a mid range jump shooter, which will help Bona.
Hopefully they win one for the league, with Dayton crowd cheering them on
fredd3/13/2018 9:00:07 PM
Stockard is key. If he plays Bona has a real chance. If not I don't see it.
the dude3/13/2018 9:06:23 PM
A few NCAA wins can really help launch a program. A10 could use some new top tier A10 programs.
thomas3/13/2018 9:34:14 PM
7 or 8 minutes in and I'm thinking that St.Bonaventure will get blown out here(even though St.Bonaventure just tied the game at 17). UCLA just has too much size, shooters and athleticism for St.Bonaventure, I hope I'm wrong though. UCLA must have really underachieved this year for them to be an 11 seed with all the talent they have. They are careless with the ball and not good defensively which may explain how they barely made the tournament.
the dude3/13/2018 9:34:31 PM
Love Adams, but Mobley is the better player. Better shot selection.
Stockard makes for a really nice 3rd piece. They've bounced back nicely after a slow start.
long suffering fan3/13/2018 9:54:16 PM
Atlantic 10, which has a history of not performing very well as a whole during the tournament, could use a victory tonight. Lets show the world that we really did deserve 3 teams in and not go out 0-3 or 1-3.
the dude3/13/2018 9:57:38 PM
Do you have any data supporting that? I'd like to see how the A10 has performed historically given their seeds, I bet better than you think.
Bonnies, look good, quick, hungrier team. Need Adams to start making his shots and taking better ones.
free quebec3/13/2018 10:23:31 PM
Maybe UCLA figures this out, but the first half sure felt like UCLA saying “who are these guys”. Ucla hit a few ridiculous shots early to get the lead and Adams wasu off, but then the Bonnies just attacked them relentlessly with quickness and the tenacity all Mark Schmidt teams play with. I have this feeling that UCLA thought they were playing a nice little team from a league they consider inferior, especially when Holliday hit some deep and step-back threes early, but now they now they are facing a team that could hang with the “mighty” pac-12.
gw733/13/2018 10:28:21 PM
Did we recruit Adams? Seems we should get Baltimore players before Oleander, NY
thomas3/13/2018 10:30:15 PM
The Dude, yeah, St.Bonaventure is giving UCLA fits defensively and looks like the hungrier team as you wrote. Stockard has played well in the 1st half, he's one of the few guys on St.Bonaventure who doesn't look physically outmatched by the UCLA players. But as the saying goes, games aren't played on paper or with the eye test!!
I've also got to point this out about UCLA, I know all of us think Lavar Ball is a COMPLETE MORON, and he's convinced a bunch of stupid people that he's some sort of king because his 3 sons are "superstars", but looking at UCLA, their best player is junior guard Aaron Holiday, his 2 older brothers(Justin and Jrue) are both in the NBA and we don't hear the Holiday parent(s) acting like that bozo Lavar Ball!!
the dude3/13/2018 10:46:58 PM
Thomas, yea def a classic physical mismatch. UCLA guys are longer bigger, Bonnie guys play harder, quicker to the ball.
Jaylen Adams has not really been making plays in this game. As good as he is, he has a lot of games like this. They keep switching on the picks and he can't really shred UCLA's slow footed bigs the way he should. Need him and Mobley to take this game over. Should be attacking the rim on these switches and not hoisting contested 3s
the dude3/13/2018 10:58:39 PM
Here come the Bonnies!! UCLA is a very disjointed team. No cohesion. Steve Alford does less with more than most Coaches, or maybe its just the way the pieces fit together, or both.
free quebec3/13/2018 10:59:20 PM
so funny to pull out the old 73 name in this thread, dude.
Stockard is making a massive statement tonight. 26 points with about 5 minutes to go. Scoring inside and out.
Bonnies energy was waning for about 6 or 7 minutes, but Stockard got them going again and the energy is back. Bonnies by 4.
thomas3/13/2018 11:00:33 PM
The Bonnies also play a lot smarter than UCLA. The Bonnies have taken a 4 point lead now after 2 straight UCLA turnovers(2 lazy passes)!! The fans in Dayton are also cheering for the Bonnies here, these final 5 minutes should be like a home game for them
the dude3/13/2018 11:04:49 PM
Haha FQ, STFU guy, GW73 isn't me, he's been posting for a long time on this site. He can tell you so himself. You phony. FUCK off guy, save your BS for the posts that deserve it.
BTW, A10 has 3 teams in the NCAA, after you spent the entire year saying how awful the league was, to make Mojo and GW seem worse, the exact opposite of what you'd be doing if ML was Coach. The first is about to win. This is the team you said 6 weeks ago had no chance of an at large bid. Post some cherrypicked data to push your agenda guy.
I didn't post about Jaylen you phony. Why don't you address the 3k posts about Nero's sexuality and save your BS about me. The only phony here is you.
free quebec3/13/2018 11:10:14 PM
Horrible call against Bona.
the dude3/13/2018 11:13:05 PM
Hell yes. Make these Bonnies!
thomas3/13/2018 11:14:07 PM
Big shot by Jaylen Adams to give St.Bonaventure a 2 point lead late after struggling for most of the game, and then he knocked down 2 free throws that may have sealed the win!!
I also need to point out that Jaylen Adams has a little brother who is a SR in high school, who has signed with Rhode Island, so we could have 8 years of Adams' dominating the A10!!
free quebec3/13/2018 11:14:08 PM
I love how you always mischaracterize everything I say.
Anyway, Jaylen Adams finally gets it going. Bonnies up 4.
the dude3/13/2018 11:17:44 PM
Really good officiating down the stretch, didn't bail out Holiday, some good no calls, got the pushoff right. Great job Bonnies!
A10 1 BCS 0. GOOD START for the A10!!
free quebec3/13/2018 11:22:25 PM
I’m amazed the announcers have not pointed out Holiday had 11 Turnovers.
Great win. Bonnies really turned the corner when Stockard became a starter. A10 had 3 good teams this year and not done winning.
dont like davidson’s Draw, but Bonnies can beat Florida and Uri can beat Oklahoma.
fly on the wall3/13/2018 11:27:54 PM
Happy for the team and especially for that coach who am I respect. Congrats to the Bonnies.
the sons of liberty3/13/2018 11:30:09 PM
thomas3/13/2018 11:31:34 PM
Holiday had 11 turnovers...WOW!! Great observation FQ, the announcers indeed did not mention that at all. His 2 consecutive turnovers on UCLA's final possessions was probably indicative of their uneven play this year and how they ended up being an 11 seed/Last 4 In!!
fredd3/13/2018 11:36:40 PM
Adams and Mobley 50% of their collective average. Adams so gritty in the end. Davidson was great last week BUT here was the proof Stockard would have made a huge difference. Solid gritty win. If you are UCLA how do you not make better use of your height? As others have said Alford got a lot less out of what looked like more.
rkelley3/13/2018 11:41:06 PM
Great game, Court Stockard as I predicted preseason, was a huge player for them yet again. With him in the lineup, they're an excellent rotation of forwards to match arguably the best backcourt duo outside of Villanova.
By the way, how is Hampton in the NIT? Notre Dame, St Mary's and USC are all leap ahead of the pack, and a team like Hampton? Hell, GW was a lot better than Hampton. We're talking KenPom 244 and 19-16 in the worst conference. Is the back-end of the NIT a buy-in or did 100+ teams decline the invitation?
the dude3/13/2018 11:47:21 PM
UCLA for a long time has felt like a collection of talented players, never a team. Even last year's SUPER talented team felt that way. Looked bad in the tourney last year, even in the 2 wins.
Duke and Kentucky have some of the same issues, but their talent usually finds a way. But man, UCLA really is a talented, underperforming team.
Stockard, what a game. Agree his A10 tourney absence was really an issue. He's that missing ingredient even when he doesn't score 26, the best athlete on the court for them.
bobo3/13/2018 11:59:46 PM
FQ: Dude may do a lot of annoying things here. He may repeat himself over and over. He may go after players he thinks aren't very good, like when he would always criticize PJ as "not an A10 player" or when he said repeatively this year that Toro and Jair both "suck". He may pat himself on the back and be an "I told you so" type of guy. He may cherry pick stats to suit his purposes. But the one thing dude would NEVER do is post under a fake name on this board.
I bet you feel ashamed even suggesting such a thing.
the dude3/14/2018 12:03:19 AM
RK, you have to be +.500 to qualify. So a team like St Johns, with a solid KenPom, is ineligible. Not just for the NIT, but for any postseason tourney.
free quebec3/14/2018 12:12:33 AM
RK, if you are a conference regular season champ who doesn’t make the NCAAs you get an autobid to the NIT.
Thsts usuallt 12-15 or so teams, which is why it’s actually tough to make he NIT since they went to that system. Hampton won MEAC regular season, but lost tourney title game to NC Central, so auto bid to nit.
free quebec3/14/2018 12:13:42 AM
Actually, Bobo (and dude), I am sorry I brought it up. I usually try to stay out of the food fights and ignore it when I think someone might be using multiple times and I started yet another fight by going there. My bad.
thomas3/14/2018 12:15:57 AM
Steve Alford is getting crushed on social media for this loss. It looks like all of us who watched the game and posted here have mentioned in some sort of way that Alford is not getting the most out of his players.
RKelley, Hampton was probably the regular season MEAC champion, that's how they qualified for the NIT. All non BCS teams that finish first in their conference during the regular season automatically qualify for the NIT, if they don't win their conference tournament. So teams like Florida Gulf-Coast, Rider and Middle Tennessee State automatically qualifed for the NIT. The First 4 Out are the #1 seeds in the NIT.
the dude3/14/2018 12:24:05 AM
Apology accepted. I didn't post as GW73, and I know him to be a unique poster, I didn't bring up Jaylen Adams recruiting (on this thread) and it about the 10th time you've incorrectly claimed some name was me (which only encourages others to keep doing that) I'm a GW and A10 fan trying to enjoy the A10 game. Period. If the board sounded more like GW (/A10 fans) fans, trying to enjoy games, most of the disharmony would also go away. Apology accepted.
I posted earlier in the year Thomas, about Alford being on the hot seat. I still think he is. If Steve Lavin got fired for Sweet 16s, I think Alford rotating Sweet 16s with bubble teams is hot seat material. UCLA still sees itself as UCLA. Amazingly, his New Mexico teams were really good, surprising that he hasn't done more at UCLA. Maybe he needs to cut some 100K checks like the man in Tucson.
fredd3/14/2018 7:38:14 AM
I don't blame Alford for going to UCLA. Just proof that no matter the job some people are better suited or happier at "lesser" positions or places. Trouble is if one pays $ and the other $$$ what are you going to do. Unless you try how do you know?
free quebec3/14/2018 10:10:38 AM
I actually think alford’s biggest problem is all his bigs are just jump shooters. Thomas Welch is talented but almost every time I watch, he settles for long jumpers and rarely wants to mix it up. Same for olishinsky. Alford needs to go recruit some rim protectors and bangers/rebounders inside, or at least teach his guys how to play harder inside. He does a great job with guards, though.
the mv3/14/2018 10:31:21 AM
Great effort by the Bonnies. Time for some observations/fact-checking/opinion questioning of this thread:
FQ: Great forecast. Stockard did in fact give the Bonnies enough scoring, UCLA was turned over repeatedly, and the Bonnies rebounded very well on the defensive end. Bonnies also had great crowd support though I learned that Olean is just a 5 hour ride to Dayton (as the official "middle of nowhere" destination, I just assumed that olean was at least 10 hours away from everywhere).
Fredd: Also spot-on with the call on Stockard.
Thomas: Cites UCLA's carelessness with the ball and shoddy defense roughly 20 minutes into the game. Each proved to doom the Bruins all night.
The Dude: Adams was the co-player of the year in the conference. Calling Mobley the better player is one of those "sports radio hot takes" designed to get people to react. Adams is a projected 2nd round NBA draft pick by some; Mobley is on nobody's draft board. Credit to Mobley for improving his all-around game but Adams is the superior player.
LSF/Dude: Not performing well in the tournament, as LSF suggests has often been the case with A10 teams on the whole, has nothing to do with outperforming your seed as The Dude tries to manipulate into the discussion. For starters, the vast majority of A10 teams show up with the lesser seed, so even when they lose under these conditions, they've done "as expected" according to The Dude. Rather, not performing well means exactly what it sounds like...not winning too many games, not advancing too many rounds, etc. That's all LSF said and meant. Nobody keeps track or cares about outperforming your seed.
GW73: No other A10 team offered Adams a scholarship outside of SBU. He was being recruited by Jacksonville (who also offered), Mount St. Mary's, and Radford. Davidson also showed some interest but never offered. Jaylen was a late bloomer who really blew up during the summer between his junior and senior high school years. By then, many school's recruiting plans were all but completed.
Note: I have no idea whether The Dude posted as GW73 or not. However, what I do know is the indignation expressed by The Dude over such an accusation really must be ignored. When you have been exposed and admitted to posting under dozens of different names, you simply can't take too much offense at being accused of this same practice again, whether the accusation is true or false. Anyone should be able to readily understand why one would think The Dude is still doing this.
Thomas: Great point comparing the Holliday and Ball families. You actually can have three extremely talented basketball playing sons and not be a complete and total jerk.
The Dude: Jaylen Adams does NOT have a lot of games like last night's game. It was his third game this season being held to single digit scoring (Mobley has had 8 such games this season.) Third game being held under 20% shooting (Mobley has had 2 such games). And despite the horrible shooting, Jaylen had 3 assists, zero turnovers, and made ahuge shot and huge free throws down the stretch. And, his defense was instrumental in helping to force Aaron Holliday into 11 turnovers.
The Dude: Davidson getting hot and winning the A10 Tournament allowing the A10 to send three teams to the Dance does not result in changing this season's A10 from an awful one to a decent or even mediocre one. The A10 seems to historically get 6-8 teams into the Dance or the NIT combined. This year, that number is 3 because after our top 3, the rest of the conference greatly disappointed.
Thomas: Hadn't known about Jaylen's brother heading to URI. Let's hope Jaylen got most of the hoop skills in the family. I will say his brother looks EXACTLY like him.
The Dude: Really good officiating down the stretch? The Bonnies drew two offensive foul calls that both were called as blocks (Stockard's 4th which resulted in a very easy UCLA basket a few possessions later in order to avoid his fifth, and a foul on Jaylen Adams that was just terrible as well). The refs finally did get the Holliday call right to seal the deal.
The Dude: If UCLA was super talented this year, I failed to see it. They lost their top 4 scorers from last year (TJ Leaf, Bryce Alford, Lonzo Ball and Isaac Hamilton). They essentially brought back a pair of players in Holiday and Welsh, have a promising freshman in Wilkes, and a pair of bigs in Goloman and Anigbogu who I don't see much talent at all. Last year's was a talented one that underachieved; this year's team just wasn't very good.
FQ/Thomas: Good explanation on Hampton making the NIT.
free quebec3/14/2018 11:15:21 AM
Wait, now Levinator is posting as MV? Good recap
geno3/14/2018 12:36:44 PM
I'm picking SBU over Florida. There's no way Adams has two poor games in a row. Plus, Mobley wasn't exactly great either. Fool proof logic, right?
Great win for the A10. It's fun to cheer for the Bonnies when they're not playing GW. (Whereas I hope that Rhode Island loses every game they play by 40).
brian paul3/14/2018 12:49:52 PM
Clearly, it would have been GWU beating UCLA, if not for you-know-what.
Seriously, I was reading how the Bonnies are seeking some form of redemption for the Bob Lanier National Championship Team of 1970. (Redemption being a Big Thing with my Old Time Religion) Well, for the sake of Big Bob, Go Bonnies!!
the mv3/14/2018 12:55:11 PM
Geno, I think that game boils down to the team with the higher ceiling which is Florida. Their big wins are very impressive...Gonzaga, Cincinnati, Kentucky twice, Auburn..but then there are the two losses to Georgia, Ole Miss, Vandy, Loyola Chicago (who is in the field), South Carolina....some headscratchers among these. The Gators have good balance so it's not a matter of shutting down 1-2 guys. If they are playing well, I can't see the Bonnies hanging with them. But, they've been so inconsistent that maybe the Bonnies catch them on the right night.
edward3/14/2018 1:41:55 PM
Mark Schmidt has now won more NCAA games than Mike Lonergan ever did or ever will.
bigfan3/14/2018 2:57:11 PM
One can see where the alleged obsession is fueled.
Wasn't this an A10 NCAA thread?
Let's root for the A10 for obvious reasons and keep the nonsense to some other threads.
the mv3/14/2018 3:06:22 PM
And "Edward", Mike Lonergan has won two more national basketball championships than Mark Schmidt has or likely ever will. So there.
The irony is that ML was once asked years ago who he thought the best A10 coach was and his response was Mark Schmidt, at a time when the Bonnies were an average to below average conference team.
nj colonial3/14/2018 3:27:42 PM
I am on the Bonnies bandwagon. I will even cheer for Rhody and Davidson... Go A-10!
the dude3/14/2018 3:29:42 PM
Bonnies scored 30 points off turnovers. UCLA 3 points.
Adams and Mobley 6 for 28. For Adams to shoot that last shot after a 1 for 15 start, that's some brass balls. Hope he makes better decisions vs Florida, if he does the Bonnies are marching on! This is a Sweet 16 type team. Florida, Guard oriented, is a good matchup for them.
the mv3/14/2018 3:51:30 PM
It is a weird sports dynamic, but of course you root for the conference. You pull for them early in the year to help increase your own metrics (SOS, RPI, BPI, KenPom) and you pull for them at the Dance because you want the conference to gain national respect. In between, you shift right towards hating on them. Same of course is true for college football and the bowls unless it's just too painful to pull off (Go Big 10 but not you Ohio State, sorry Herve).
Imagine this at any professional sports level. Like a Yankee fan hoping the Red Sox win the Series, once the Yanks are eliminated, so that they can claim that the best team came from the AL East. Sure.
bo knows3/14/2018 3:56:08 PM
There you go again MV.
player3/14/2018 5:25:02 PM
Mark Schmidt is a coach the players like. The players hated Lonergan. Makes all the difference in the world.
elj3/14/2018 5:56:03 PM
Does Free Quebec or anyone elso know in roughly what year the NCAA ruled that a sub-.500 team (in most cases, a conference champion) no longer must miss the NCAA's? I'm thinking of that crazy GW season (may have been 1959-60 but not sure) when we were 6-18 going into the SC tourney, caught lightning in the proverbial bottle to win the thing ... and then got croaked by Princeton in the first round pof the NCAA's.
elj3/14/2018 5:58:37 PM
Sorry, meant to say "must miss the NCAA's" not "no longer must miss..."