By: Long Suffering Fan (4,106 posts) - 7/26/2015 9:23:56 AM

Is well under way  Of interest are as follows:

Colonials are 131.  (Gotcha...it is the Robert Morris Colonials)

Kansas State is 134  (with Nigel Johnson listed as a "minor" transfer)

Penn State is 137

JMU is 123  (decent, semi- local school who I would like us to play more often)

Vermont is 111 (they seem to be hanging in as a pretty good program even after the loss of Lonergan).

http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/mens-basketball/top-144-previews?page=1

By: Maine Colonial (487 posts) - 7/26/2015 10:19:42 AM

Last year, they had GW at #63 and the team finished the season ranked #83 in the RPI, according to ESPN. The preview was pretty accurate regarding some of the challenges the team was going to face: LINK

By: ziik (2,950 posts) - 7/26/2015 11:04:49 AM

Regardless of what number this poll ends up tagging on our GW, I have us at 84 to start the season. There is no negativity being reported about the player performances at Kenner, and that is fine. What we do not know from Kenner, and won't, is team cohesion, etc. If ML gets these guys working together, the front line is strong and the guards, as a group, play tough, it can be a really fine team. Maybe, just nudging into the top 50. 

By: The Dude (529 posts) - 7/26/2015 11:39:36 AM

IF everything falls into place maybe we can nudge into the top 50? That's where we are? Wow, what happened to this great final season from the core of the team?

Being around 50 RPI would mean we'd be likely off the bubble.  So if that's our all things break right for us scenario (I'm not so sure we can't do quite a bit better Ziik) we better win the A10 Tourney. 

On the otherhand, whomever penned that article Maine Colonial was pretty spot on across the board. 

Amazing to see Kansas St this low, a real juggernaut from 2010-2014.  On the otherhand, this is what Bruce Weber does, takes over the masterwork of a better coach and slowly screws it up.

By: Free Quebec (6,340 posts) - 7/26/2015 12:15:48 PM

Maine, 2 years ago we didn't even make their top 144.  I wouldn't put any stock in them, even they were a broken clock last year.

 

By: Maine Colonial (487 posts) - 7/26/2015 12:48:04 PM

Being a perennial optimist, I see us in the Final Four!

By: Long Suffering Fan (4,106 posts) - 7/26/2015 1:30:28 PM

Dude...we are both a top 50 team and an NCAA at large team (if we don't win the conference outright).  People lowered their expectations with the loss of Savage, but we are still very good, and deeper than we have been since ML arrived.

By: ziik (2,950 posts) - 7/26/2015 1:55:42 PM

I am talking about the team's real value and ability to win real games, Dude, not the "somebody says GW is Number 24" or some other mirage, akin to the phantom Number 6/7 team we had, which was shallow and unproven, because we played nobody and beat nobody, and still whine about the Duke seeding and loss--that team.

It is feasible there will be some upfront depth, for the first time, I'd say, since Jarvis. And, it seems there will be some backcourt depth, too. But, can these guys bang with the big boys? Can they shoot the closely guarded 3? Can Yuta stay strong?  Can Cimino/Swan/Goss/ (the other guy is missing) grab a rebound or block out? Can they withstand a key injury? Play withering defense?

 

By: ziik (2,950 posts) - 7/26/2015 1:57:53 PM

SO, what happened to The Manhattan Transfer? Or, does it deserve another thread? (He is not on today's roster, while Sina is.)

By: GWStag (84 posts) - 7/26/2015 2:37:36 PM

McCoy has back issues which limited him and he graduated anyways so he decided to get a real job.  He is a good kid and I hope he does well.

By: ziik (2,950 posts) - 7/26/2015 4:00:53 PM

I hope he is happy. Thanks for the information. 

By: BC (1,645 posts) - 7/26/2015 4:35:00 PM

The way McCoy ran looked to me as if he was hurting all the time.

By: ziik (2,950 posts) - 7/26/2015 4:45:36 PM

Maybe so, BC. But, now that he is out of sight, you can expect to start hearing about The Legend Of Ryan McCoy, and how GW would have been a top 10 team this year, if only....

Seriously, ML considered him a valuable player, and he clearly pushed his peers in practice, Three cheers for the guy, and best wishes, etc.

By: Mike K (1,177 posts) - 7/26/2015 6:04:17 PM

Oh Man, I was never a Ryan McCoy fan, but sorry to hear he was injured, that may be why he couldn't reach a higher A-10 status. I am sure he will do the University proud. Good luck Ryan.

By: The Dude (529 posts) - 7/26/2015 7:09:16 PM

LSF, I agree.  I think we're a top 50 team right now (we won't be on this list, but whatever) and should still get an at large bid this season if need be.  A lot had to go wrong last year for us to slip that much, and one thing looking back at that review drives home, we were basically a team with just 4 starters.... and 1 guy who never should have been forced to start for an A10 NCAA tourney caliber team.  That 1 guy of course played beyond admirably and beyond anyone's wildest expectations, but big upgrade at the 4 this year.

Returning to the top 50 would require some things that broke wrong last year breaking in our favor this year.  Guys improving not regressing some nice surprises, everything just gelling a bit better, better shooting (3's and at the line) etc.

Deepest team? Perhaps, I'm not so sure yet, I'm a little more hesistant than some here to pen in contributions from guys with varying levels of unproven play. Potentially the deepest team though, possibly a real asset with some breakthroughs.  Depth hasn't been a real forte in the ML era yet.  I am also convinced ML prefers like many college coaches today, to play a tight 8ish man rotation, with most of the minutes going to the 6 or 7 best players so I don't expect some of these guys to play much regardless.

By: Pkgw (180 posts) - 7/26/2015 7:48:56 PM

I think the biggest opportunity for improvement involves leadership and team chemistry.  Jk tried but when you are not amoung the 5-6 most talented on the team it is tough to get followers.  There was a dysfunctional relationship between coach and 1 of his best players that disrupted team cohesion.  Zeke and Mo kept everyone on the same page  the year before.  Kevin and Pato seem quiet.  It will be up to Joe and Tyler to be the vocal leaders.  How well they succeed will be how far we go.  Just my opinion.

By: Long Suffering Fan (4,106 posts) - 7/26/2015 10:26:53 PM

2 years ago, our bench consisted of Nick, Paris, Kopriva, Cartegena, Skyler White, etc.   Last year our bench consisted of 5 freshman, McCoy and Nick Griffin.  To put it mildy, the bench was a disaster both seasons. This year, we can call upon proven players like Jorgensen and Mitola, Swan and Cimino now have a year under their belts, hopefully get something from the 2 frosh and perhaps Hart.  I think the depth is much approved (especially with PJ coming off the bench).

By: The Dude (529 posts) - 7/26/2015 11:34:12 PM

We had Kethan coming off the bench for much of last year, Kethan or Yuta.  Two years ago we had Pato coming off the bench.  This year our first player off the bench figures to be PJ who was the 2nd player off the bench last year.  Not so sure there's that much of a difference actually, unless Swan, Cimino/Goss make huge strides, and/or Mitola & Hart are not as limited in some ways as one might expect. 

In other words, agree depth hasn't been an asset but not quite ready to declare it is this year either, in particular we seem to have near universal agreement that the frontcourt depth could well be an issue.

If a lot of guys take a huge stride forward, then yes potentially depth could be an asset, IMO.  Think I agree with Pkgw though, chemistry and guys playing together at a higher level than they did last year for whatever reason could be the bigger difference from one year to the next.

 

By: ziik (2,950 posts) - 7/26/2015 11:57:23 PM

Get off the back burner, Dude, and show some enthusiasm for this year's bench. 

No matter how they are used this year, the 3 returning starters all are determined, skilled players, and all have room for real improvement; and it is more reasonable than not that 2 of the 3 will show marked improvement. 

We already know that Yuta and PJorg are more confident, stronger, and better than they were just months ago, so the improvement there seems steady, at least: it may become spectacular. 

So, what is to keep Tyler, Hart, and Mitola, Cimino and Goss, too, from not improving from last year, especially when competing for time and attention with the guys ahead of them and on the bench? 

We do not need miracles to have a better team, just the reasonably expectable improvement of the majority of the team's players. Couple that with the fact that they all know (at least) what they are supposed to do on defence, and even the loss of Kethan's athletic skill set can readily be overcome. 

I am a pessimist by nature. I do not see a real deep team, and I fear even a single key injury. But, the subs (so far) are not needed for more than a few minutes at a time. I would not trust an entire squad of them to platoon with the starters right now. But, they can fill all forseeable gaps. And, they can be strong by March.

By: The Dude (529 posts) - 7/27/2015 1:36:27 AM

Ziik, and yet I'm an optimist by nature.  I'll be the guy who says this program will one day have an actual cinderella run in it (and I don't mean just a 2nd/3rd round NCAA win) and I've repeatedly said (including two posts ago) THIS GW team will be much better.  That said, I think its way too premature to be so bullish on some of the bench guys, that seems more like a board phenomenon which snowballs into quasi-group think. One day Matt Hart is the "D3/who is that guy again?" and a few weeks later his name is tossed around as a very likely upgrade, e.g.  I hope in each case they all become the latter, but we really don't know.  The pessimist would look at Cimino and Swan, and be well pessimistic. Pretty rare for GW guys to barely play at all as Freshmen and then emerge as good players.  Rare (although not at all unheard) for D3 players or Ivy league guys too.  That's why Roland is the guy I am most omptimistic about (or Swan frankly but that's pure optimism/gut feeling)

If last year reminded us of one thing, its that not every guy actually does improve year to year,  and some actually regress.  Others just aren't fit to to be at this level.  We saw a little of all of that last year.  Next year, I think we'll see improved play from what figures to be a very good starting 5, and a lot of question marks from the bench.  Question marks aren't a bad thing necessarily it just means we're talking about guys who have barely played, barely played at this level, or haven't played college ball at all.   Fortunately, the starting 5 is as close to a certainly good 5 man unit as you'll find in the A10, no matter what becomes of the depth we'll be good next year.  At the deep bench level, good play would be pure gravy/future promise.

By: NJ Colonial (1,980 posts) - 7/27/2015 9:51:33 AM

The mighty Colonials of George Washington should be preseason ranked in the top 65 but if we are lower, it will be material for the locker room bulletin board so it's all good. On a minor note, "College Sports Madness" needs to get an updated version of the GW logo, the lemon yellow one they used looks like it is from a decade ago.  Hail to the BUFF and Blue!

By: The MV (4,915 posts) - 7/27/2015 11:31:27 AM

Dude, unless you are keeping track of who said what when, it's hard to justify your "whatever happened to our upcoming big season" stance, a stance you're determined to push solely to try to mprove that losing Kethan made a tremendous difference, on posters who may never have said that we'd be in for a big seasomn in 2015-16.  Fans tend to forecast within a vacuum.  They see what their team did....picking up Tyler Cavanaugh, an OOC schedule filled with home games, etc., and they say "we're going to be much better" without giving any thought to things like a good URI team picks up Iverson or Gibbs at Davidson might win POY in the a10 as a sophomore or that VCU has some top 100 recruits coming in.  Yes folks, other teams are getting better too.

That said, I'll continue to maintain that I feel we'll have the same type of season in 205-16 without Kethan as we would have had with him.  I am expecting this to be a better TEAM with its current makeup.  So, I am one of those you may say "I told you so" to if GW fails to make the Dance.  But as for anyone else who may be tempering expectations, you may want to know what they previously had forecast about the upcoming season before asking them why the change in their stance.

 

By: The Dude (529 posts) - 7/27/2015 2:48:48 PM

MV, I'll just note that contrary to your post, my last post says just the opposite, I wrote that GW will be dancing come March, which makes the rest of your post a bit bizarre.

At any rate, "I told you so" is what someone who cares more about message boards writes, I care more only GW winning as I'm sure is true of almost everyone here.  To that end, I think the offseason to date has been a bit of a dud, so if there's a gulf, perhaps its that I consider losing a star caliber player (albeit an inconsistent one) and bringing in for next year only  a dimunitive 5'11 reserve Ivy guard to replace him and leaving the 3rd open scholarship unused a dissapointment.  A sentiment that seems imo a little under discussed as some people have turned to getting rather exicted about a few unproven depth players, an excitement which I find a little unwarranted at this point. 

To be clear, the sky is hardly falling, we're STILL going to be good next year, I say Dancing Good, AND this offseason ultimately is about the 2016 recruiting class, despite all of the understandable focus here on immediate transfer help, in the end, the quality of the next 3 to 4 recruits,  THAT is what will mark this summer/fall in the long run. 

By: The MV (4,915 posts) - 7/27/2015 3:09:23 PM

Dude, I've simply noticed that there have been several occasions where someone expresses modest expectations about the upcoming season only for you to insinuate that expectations have lessened now that Kethan is gone.  To which I'm suggesting that maybe these individuals didn't have huge expectations to begin with while others here may have.  On a related note, how huge do you think anyone's expectations really were even with Kethan?  I can't recall anyone EXPECTING us to be a Sweet 16 team.  So if were to make the dance and win one game before losing, is that so dramatically different than Ziik's prediction of cracking the top 50?

By: dmvpiranha (7/27/2015 10:56:04 PM)

La Salle first A10 team off the board at 109

By: The Dude (529 posts) - 7/27/2015 10:56:44 PM

MV came out swinging today! This but one might be getting even sillier than the you vs Bo thing going on the other thread about who is to credit for Jordan Roland!

To be very clear, I AM somewhat interested in that one, but more in the rubbernecking car accident phenomenon kind of way ....intellectually, not so much. 

On this thread I made about 10 separate points I'd gladly respond to, instead you seem fixated on one that I didn't really make and I've already addressed it.

 

 

 

By: GW Fan (509 posts) - 7/27/2015 11:52:55 PM

So LaSalle at 109 and the 8th A-10 team.  Then who will the top 7 will be? Dayton, URI, VCU, Davidson, GW, Richmond & UMass?

By: The Dude (529 posts) - 7/28/2015 12:02:13 AM

Seems spot on GW Fan, and you even have them in their likely order, highest to lowest I'd surmise.

Having nearly 8 teams virtually inside the top 100 (and surely 7) suggests the A10 has done a good job of again weathering the losses of Temple Xavier & Butler, something which seemed a bit dubious at the time of their departure. 

By: GW Fan (509 posts) - 7/28/2015 12:13:40 AM

So LaSalle at 109 and the 8th A-10 team.  Then who will the top 7 will be? Dayton, URI, VCU, Davidson, GW, Richmond & UMass?

By: Buff (24 posts) - 7/28/2015 11:06:23 AM

Preseason A10 picks:

JR - is going to be A10 ROY

PJ and AS are co- most improved A10 players. Since AS didn't play very much last year, he might have the edge.

Pato - Defensive POY

YW and TC - Thrid Team

JM - Second Team

KL - POY

ML - COY

In other news:

GW is next year's Davidson and wins regular season.  GW beats RI in double overtime to win the tournament. Makes it to the NCAA Sweet 16.

HT - leaves for head coach position.  Thinking the CAA.

GW's most memorable season ever.

 

 

By: BC (1,645 posts) - 7/28/2015 11:52:45 AM

I want some of those optimism pills.

By: The MV (4,915 posts) - 7/28/2015 12:24:29 PM

Dude, I really don't want to get into this with you.  The sequence of events was simply:

a) Lots of optimism surrounding the Core 4's senior season, the addition of Tyler, the emergence of Yuta and to some, Paul, and a schedule that was filled with home games.  Many here predicted a special season, a top 25 team, etc.

b) Kethan departs.

c) Substantial remorse on your part coupled with the disbelief that many here would prefer to see this team strengthen the depth of its frontcourt than in your estimation, adequately replace Kethan (despite having lots of backcourt depth albeit with three unproven players).

d) Your taking exception with my notion (not a prediction, a notion) that losing Kethan may result i(not will result, may result) in addition by subtraction.

e) Your response to any poster who expresses modest expectations for the upcoming season by questioning "what happened to our predictiions for a huge season" or something to this effect, not taking into account whether any poster with modest expectations today ever had more lofty expectations prior to Kethan leaving or not.

I apologize if I misread your intent but I'm not entirely convinced that I have.  I don't see how you can deny your position expressed in point e) as there have now been several occasions where you have posted this sentiment.  Not suggesting that you'd like to see GW falter, but if they did, your thoughts about Kethan's departure would certainly carry greater validity.

By: Goo Colonials Go (68 posts) - 7/28/2015 1:03:24 PM

What's the old saying, Buff: From your lips to god's ears. 

Would think though if KL is POY he should get a 1st team nod too, right? 

By: Long Suffering Fan (4,106 posts) - 7/28/2015 2:13:55 PM

If Lasalle is the 8th best team in the A-10, that is not good, as that would mean that 6 teams would be worse than 144...an RPI killer.

By: The Dude (529 posts) - 7/28/2015 2:40:20 PM

Sadly though LSF that's probably about right.  Its an issue.  The A10 has a few too many bottom feeders.  Nice job done by teams atop the conference, but we need to drag up the cellar dweller programs.  Last year, we were 6-12 vs teams inside the top 175 RPI.  6 wins in 18 games vs the top 175.  If you still don't think last year was a big dissapointment, chew on that stat for a moment.

Too many of the wins last year were against only the bottom A10, who were not just outside the top 144 they were sub 200, and the rubbish part of the OOC:

178

Jan. 3

Away

Saint Joseph's

64-60

179

Nov. 16

Away

Rutgers

70-53

197

Dec. 11

Home

DePaul

81-68

211

Dec. 7

Neutral

Charlotte

78-70

222

Jan. 17

Home

George Mason

63-53

222

Mar. 4

Away

George Mason

67-51

223

Jan. 24

Home

Duquesne

74-59

223

Mar. 12

Neutral

Duquesne

73-55

231

Dec. 22

Neutral

Ohio

77-49

238

Jan. 22

Away

Fordham

79-59

272

Jan. 6

Home

Saint Louis

75-72

287

Dec. 30

Home

VMI

80-60

316

Nov. 26

Home

Longwood

91-66

346

Dec. 4

Home

Maryland-Baltimore County

83-60

351

Nov. 14

Home

Grambling

92-40

By: dmvpiranha (8/23/2015 7:49:48 AM)

St. Bonaventure in at #83 overall, #7 in A-10.

Preview

 

 

By: pops (505 posts) - 8/23/2015 8:25:30 AM

this is a non-sensical write-up of the Bonnies.  1st off, they lose Ndoye which is kind of like us losing JJ.  You don't just replace a force like Ndoye and keep roling if you are the Bonnies.  The other half of their team was Jalen Adams who as a freshman point guard really had the team clicking until he went don't for the year.

the "who's out" part of the writeup states Adams and 2 others have transferred.  but then later under who to watch talks about Adams leading the team.  If Adams has in fact transferred, expect the Bonnies to finish at the very bottom of our conference rather than putting up 20 wins.  even if he hasn't, their task will be daunting.

By: dmvpiranha (8/23/2015 8:50:41 AM)

Agreed. I think #83 is too high for the Bonnies. Makes me wonder how they will rank GW and the other five teams.

By: Thomas (1,146 posts) - 8/23/2015 9:25:10 AM

Somehow I missed the LaSalle mentions on this thread last month, but I need to add a few things about them. They still have Jordan Price, who will probably lead the A-10 in scoring this year and is a 1st Team All A-10/Player Of The Year type of player. J.Price is good enough to carry them to a few wins over some quality teams. Even if they do finish in 8th place, I don't think they will be an RPI killer.

By: Free Quebec (8/23/2015 3:29:40 PM)

Pops, there is a simple but bizarre explanation for why that preview makes sense.   Last year Bona had two guys named Jaylen Adams. 

 

The good one spelled it with a y, the other guy spelled it Jalen.  

I'm actually being serious, even though it sounds like snark.  

 

By: pops (505 posts) - 8/23/2015 6:35:43 PM

that is really bazarre. stands to reason they couldn't keep both.   so they have kept the good Adams?

By: Free Quebec (6,340 posts) - 8/23/2015 6:40:44 PM

Yes.  Kept the good one (I think).   I'll say this about the Bonnies without post-Ndaye - for several years in a row since Nicholson left, I've assumed the Bonnies will be bad.  But ever year they exceed my expectations,  Their coach is really good, and they always have a steady supply of unheralded guards who can put the ball in the basket.  I would not count them out just becuase Ndoye is gone.

By: The Dude (529 posts) - 8/31/2015 1:20:07 AM

GW early season opponent Tennessee a surprising #80.   (For some perspective, Providence an NCAA 6 seed last year returns best player NBA lotteryish pick Kris Dunn, clocked in at #76)

 

2015-2016 Overall Rank: #80
Conference Rank: #8 SEC

Tennessee Team Page #80 Tennessee Men's Basketball 2015-2016 Preview Buy Tennessee Basketball Tickets

 

Tennessee had a tough season off the court last year. On the court was not much better. The Volunteers went out and grabbed Coach Rick Barnes to help turn the program around. Last year the Volunteers started off pretty strong and beat some good teams like Butler and Arkansas, but the only team they beat after February besides Vanderbilt was LSU.

2014-15 Record: 16-16, 7-11

Who’s Out:
Josh Richardson is a significant loss though while Coach Barnes looks to reload. Richardson was almost always on the floor and easily led the team with 16.0 points per game. He added 3.6 assists, 4.5 rebounds and 2.1 steals. Richardson was also the most prolific outside shooter on the team. The Volunteers need to find a new go-to-scorer now. Tariq Owens and Willie Carmichael are the other departures who were regular contributors a season ago. Owens was a big-time recruit but only averaged 7.6 minutes per game as a freshman and will now move on. Carmichael started 19 games as a freshman and the big guy played pretty well. He will continue his collegiate career at Western Kentucky.

Who’s In:
This is not a great class by Tennessee or Coach Barnes standards, but that will change soon. For now, this group fills accsome holes and will add depth for the future. Junior college transfer Ray Kasongo and freshman Kyle Alexander will add depth in the frontcourt. Kasongo spent one season at the College of Southern Idaho, where he averaged 6.0 points and 4.9 rebounds. He is not going to be a major scoring threat at Tennessee, but the 6-8, 245 pounder is the big body this team needs. Alexander has potential too and could turn into an impact player as a freshman. The minutes are there to be had. Shembari Phillips, Admiral Schofield and Brad Woodson are the newcomers on the perimeter. Phillips could find minutes at the point this year. The addition of point guard Lamonte Turner would give a big boost to Tennessee. He is not officially eligible yet, but he would be the best point guard on the roster and while he may need some time to adjust, once he does he will step into a starting spot.

Who to Watch:
Armani Moore is one of the more interesting players in the SEC. The 6-4, at least he’s now listed at 6-4, forward averaged 10.3 points and 6.8 rebounds per game as a junior. He plays very well as an undersized power forward, but he could also run the show this year. He is a decent passer, but whether or not he can really handle the ball well enough remains to be seen. Ideally, Moore would be out on the wing or at the four spot, but in a pinch, which Tennessee could be in all season long, Moore can run the point. Kevin Punter is an option to run the show too. He is better suited off the ball though. Punter averaged 10.3 points per game last year and knocked down 43 three-pointers, second only to Richardson on the team. Robert Hubbs III showed a lot of potential as a sophomore, averaging 7.2 points per game. He missed most of his freshman campaign, so this is the year when Tennessee could see a big boost in production. Sophomore Detrick Mostella is a great athlete and should be in the mix at the point as needed. Devon Baulkman averaged 4.7 points per game after coming in from the junior college ranks. He can be a very productive shooter and will again play a role off of the bench.

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