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The Return of the Three Point Shooting Contest Thread
Created: 4/27/2015 2:47:09 PMReplies: 27
4/27/2015 2:47:09 PM - The MV - 4,915 posts (#4)

Well well well.  Judgement day on the first round of 16 matchups of the three point shooting contest and the thread is nowhere to be found.  I haven't been this concerned about election fraud since last week's episode of The Good Wife.   At the very least, voter turnout has possibly been suppressed (though it's more likely that many of you are apathetic about this contest).  Fortunately, most matchups were one-sided for the most part.  Here are your winners:

Yegor Mescherikov over Damian Hollis

Chris Monroe over Rodney Patterson

Mike Hall over Ricky Lucas

Noel Wilmore over Lasan Kromah

Nemanja Mikic over Kenny Barer

Carl Elliott over SirValient Brown

JJ Hudock over Seco Camara

Kwame Evans over Travis King

 

The only surprise (for me) was Hollis falling to Yegor.  For their careers, Damian was 114-305 (37.4%) while Yegor was 78-228 (34.2%).  As I alluded to earlier, Yegor was unseeded while Damian was a pretty strong seed.

Now, it's onto the remainder of the round of 16.  Here are your matchups along with a few notes of potential interest (matchups are listed alphabetically..winner of match #1 does not necessarily play the winner of mnatch #2, etc.):

Greg Collucci vs. Alvin Pearsall..Greg with a season best 43.7% from the floor; and a season best 77 3's in a separate season; Pearsall a season best 37.9%

Marcus Ford vs. Tony Taylor..Marcus did not take many but shot 22-55 (40%) and 20-52 (38.5%) in back-to-vback seasons; Tony had 112 makes throughout his career (34.1%)

Nick Griffin vs. Gerald Jackson..The one thing we will miss from Nick is this (14-29, 48.3%; 24-66, 36.4%) while Gerald put up 36-87 (41.4%) and 29-82 (35.4%)

Nimbo Hammons vs. Joe McDonald..Interesting matchup between Nimbo whose shooting progressively got worse (46.9%, 35.2%, 30.9%) versus Joe who keeps getting better (30.3%, 39.1%, 37.3% with more makwes than in his first two seasons combined)

Cheyenne Moore vs. Dirkk Surles..Cheyenne put up 14-31 (45.2%) and then a more pedestrian 21-60 (35%); Dirkk was a consistent "high-30's guy" putting up 356 attempts over 3 seasons.

JR Pinnock vs. Shawnta Rogers..JR was an actually very good 21-53 (39.6%) but couldn't crack the 28% mark in future seasons; Shawnta never finished worse than 31.4% or better than 37.7%.  However, 631 career attempts may have had something to do with this.

Maureece Rice vs. Glen Sitney..Mo's output was a bell curve.  Limited attempts on 31.4% shooting as a freshman, back to back 40%+ seasons, and a disgrunted 32.4% senior season; Sitney barely broke 40% during the 1-27 season but only shot 9-34 in his other season.

Dwayne Smith vs. TJ Thompson..Dwayne didn't take many and didn't make many but managed to go 9-23 (39.1%) his senior year; TJ went 229-637 (35.9% on high volume) for his career.

Please take a moment to vote on the remainder of the Round of 16 matchups.

 

 

4/27/2015 3:26:43 PM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)

Colluci

Ford

Griffin

Joe Mac

Surles

Shawnta

Mo Rice

TJ

JoeMac hits over 40% this season, crown him the king.

 

 

 

4/27/2015 5:15:05 PM - lowpost - 314 posts (#76)

i am sure others will note other omissions as well, but what about joe wassel?  although the 3-point shot was experimental, he hit 41.9% in 84-85.

4/27/2015 5:48:30 PM - The MV - 4,915 posts (#4)

Lowpost, I omited Joe, Mike O'Reilly (29-48), and Moti Daniel (40-70) because my prerequisite was to have at least two years of three point shooting data (as a Colonial).

4/27/2015 5:56:46 PM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)

Dirkk Surles, very underrated in some ways Colonial.   Maybe the single player most responsible for getting the ball rolling on the program.

4/27/2015 11:52:29 PM - Free Quebec - 6,340 posts (#2)

1) The most glaring omission, at least of the 25 years since I've been watching is John Kopriva.   If 9-23 as a senior gets Dwayne in, then surely Kopriva's 19-43 senior year (44.2%) should get him a nod.

2) The 2nd most glaring omission is Garino.  He's not great, but there are guys on here who didn't make a ton of threes either. Pato has shot at least 40% in conference in each of the last two years (23-57 combined).  

 

2) Dude, I agree. Dirkk is definitely an underrated all-time Colonial.   Which is amazing, because he was kind of a star for GW when he was here (a friend even once got a Dirkk Surles rookie card in a pack of NBA cards - I guess printed because he was a possible NBAer, though he never got drafted).

 

3) My votes:

- Collucci - He was great his sophomore year (I think) when we had little talent around him.  His year was kind of like Mikic as a freshmen, where all he had to do was shoot 3s, so he did it well.

- Tony Taylor - close one.  Ford was a money shooter, but only shot when wide open. TT really created his own threes and I'll take his combo of volume, degree of difficulty, and adequate (34%) career percentage over Marcus' higher percentage, lower volume. 

- Griffin - Jackson is before my team so I'll give Griffin the nod.  The thing that was so impressive about Nick as a freshmen was how deadeye he was even when he sat on the bench the entire half. I think the injury affected his percentage this year, but it wasn't bad at all.

- Nimbo vs. Joe - Tie.   This is a tough one so I'll vote tie or abstain.  These are the two most underrated 3 point shooters at GW in my opinon.  Nimbo had the deepest range of any Colonial in the 3 point era, frequently shooting and making from the W.  He was streaky, leading the fluctuation in percentage.  Joe is sort of the opposite of Nimbo - he is sometimes too reluctant to shoot it.  But when he does, he is a really solid shooter. Worth noting that Joe hit 44.3% in conference play this year, and drained almost 2 a game.   Really impressive.  Both these guys should be in the next round, in my opinion.

- Dirkk Surles - as noted above, a now-underrated Colonial. Cheyenne Moore might be my least favorite Colonial of all-time (hard to believe his offensive rating was under 80 his last year because he was the single worst decision maker I've ever seen on the court). Also a facor: Cheyenne shot 29% at Clemson as a freshmen and just 31.7% for his career

- Rice - Loved me some Sitney, but too tough going against a back to back 40%er, who also was a volume shooter. 

 - Shawnta - I'd take Garino over Pinnock. If Pinnock was an average outside shooter, instead of below-average, he would have stuck on the Lakers because he could do absolutely everything else.

-  TJ Thompson -  This matchup is a blowout.

 

 

4/28/2015 12:51:03 AM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)

Any thoughts FQ/others as to why Dirkk's somewhat overlooked? My theory is that his era tends to be cast as "The Yinka Team and others" which swallows up the love for Dirkk.  Its also just before the internet, so I think its overshadowed by the Shawnta/Yegor era that was to immediately follow and this seems to increase as the years march by.

4/28/2015 7:12:56 AM - Mentzinger - 3,646 posts (#7)

Still trying to figure out why MJ had Surles on the bench for the last 2:00 of the Sweet 16 game, except the last 0:20. Maybe it was offense for defense and we couldn't get off defense because of 4 consecutive missed FT rebounds. Not that I live in the past or anything. 

4/28/2015 9:45:18 AM - The MV - 4,915 posts (#4)

Always feel inclined to respond to FQ.  I don't want to skew any results (and really don't think I'll be doing so) but I had three players under consideration for the last 2 spots...JR, Dwayne and Pato.  I only considered season-long averages and totals, not solely conference play.  Pato's highest percentage in a season was 34.3% (on 12-35) and he has been under 30% the other two seasons while JR had a 39.6% year (21-53) and Dwayne had 3 of 4 seasons above 30% (a high of 39.1% on 9-23).  I suppose this discussion is like debating who got snubbed from the 68 team field...none of these guys will likely be winning it anyway.  As for John, a complete oversight on my part.  Never considered him for a second, and clearly should have based on this past season alone. 

4/28/2015 11:21:34 AM - Free Quebec - 6,340 posts (#2)

Your theory seems plausible to me, Dude,  Definitely overshadowed by Yinka when we got good, plus Sonni Holland was terrific on that team, too.  Then, when Yinka came, we also got Kwame Evans and Vaughn Jones, so Dirkk was sort of the old vet at that point, not the exciting newcomer.

Or maybe it's just that Kwame hit 8-8 from 3 in his first two NCAA games, then Shawnta Rogers came along, so Dirkk just wasn't the guard people thought about when they thought of GW hoops any more?

 

4/28/2015 11:42:52 AM - Colonial NY - 95 posts (#158)

Colucci

Taylor 

Jackson

McDonald

Surles

Rogers

Rice

Thompson

4/28/2015 1:54:09 PM - Mentzinger - 3,646 posts (#7)

Pearsall

Ford

Griffin

Hammons

Surles

Rogers

Rice

Thompson

4/28/2015 2:48:49 PM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)

FQ, I think that's largely it, yep.  I was looking at GW for college about the time of the great 93 team.  When I arrived on campus in 95 it had become the Yinka team, and the excitment was forward looking and a lot about Shawnta.  You heard very little about Sonni or Dirkk, the one name that lingered was Yinka. 

(For those of who arrived in the 90-00 period, I think this also explains the different views about the program from those who suffered the prior decades of futility, higher levels of optimism vs a seasoned measure of they perceive to be realism)

 

 

4/29/2015 9:10:14 PM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)

Give a little Bump to the MV thread.  The internet is actually a way to breathe new life for guys who would otherwise largely be forgotten, guys like Dirkk who as FQ notes has grown to be underrated.  In the age when everything was just guys saying stuff about guys, Yinka blew up via all of the talk about him, and Dirkk and his 3 straight team leading scoring seasons and 1st team all A10 selection were getting progressively overlooked.  Today some Colonial fan will say wow this Dirkk guy was really great look at these great seasons.

The other thing, MV can now post all of this data on GW's greatest shooters.  20 years ago the debate would have been "He was the best shooter....no he was! He was how dare you say that, I saw him he was better!"  Not much different from saying this guy was the bigger recruit, no it was that guy! He was the biggest!

Plenty of room for both stories and actual fact based arguments. 

 

4/30/2015 9:37:46 AM - The MV - 4,915 posts (#4)

The Dude, I've often said that the internet has put an end to the vast majority of sports arguments, certainly all of the objective ones.  Let's say you tell a friend that SirValient didn't shoot above 30% from 3 in either of his GW seasons and the friend argues that he had to have done that having scored all of those points.  Take out your phone, tablet, laptop, etc. and within a few clicks, you have your answer.  Like m,any things, it's great when you're right and sucks when you're wrong.

Thanks for the bump.  Not nearly as much interest in this contest compared to the one-on-one tournament which means that your vote has that much more impact.  Nevertheless, we'll play it out for those of you who took the time (or will take the time) to vote.  Deadline for this round will be Friday, May 1, at 1;00 EST.

 

4/30/2015 3:54:43 PM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)

MV, a bit like the most coveted recruit convo, which to me means highest ranked recruit out of HS.  Otherwise its a battle of what, superlatives? One can throw out names and say they were very prized but without leaning on national recruit rankings, I don't see how you meaningfully compare guys.

Two things about this vote, someone said both Pato and Kopriva were omissions on your part.  I beg to differ, Pato and great 3 point shooting is the last thing that comes to my mind when are beloved Argentine is mentioned. He's 30% for his career and shot 29% last year, and he's mostly left wide open no one respects his 3.

As for John, he didn't shoot a single trifecta for 3 years! Not 1 attempt!  This season left open at the top of the key he had made 19 in 35 games at a nice high clip (from one spot on the floor and left wide OPEN) but 3 years without an attempt seems to be DQ worthy!

 

 

4/30/2015 5:14:55 PM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)

Who won the 1 on 1 vote? Final 4?

4/30/2015 5:22:32 PM - The MV - 4,915 posts (#4)

If my shaky memory serves correct, JR Pinnock knocked off Yegor Mescherikov in the final.  I know that Mike Hall was in the semis, can't remember who the other semi-finalist was. 

4/30/2015 5:37:30 PM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)

Interesting, JR and Yegor were the first two guys I thought of too.  Yegor was my pick, not sure JR could defend Yegor down low. Yegor could at least defend somewhat a great athlete like that.  KevLar would be a pretty tough draw 1 on 1 down low.  Most actual A10big men can't stop him 1 on 1 on the block.  But unlike Yegor, he can't defend from range or hang with a penetrator like JR.  Mike's a good pick too, shooters with size, tough 1 on 1 guys. 

4/30/2015 8:30:34 PM - Tuna Can - 1,661 posts (#19)

The best 3 point shooter ever at GW.... BOB TALLENT

 

5/1/2015 9:33:15 AM - The MV - 4,915 posts (#4)

He could have been but like Brian Magid, Bob Tallent is ineligible because he played before the 3 point line was introduced.

 

5/1/2015 11:25:33 AM - The MV - 4,915 posts (#4)

Last bump for this round with the 1:00 deadline looming.  Vote on which shooters ought to reach the Round of 16.  Round of 16 matchups later today.

5/1/2015 2:27:29 PM - The MV - 4,915 posts (#4)

Thank you to those few loyalists out there who took the time to vote.  Hopefully, more of you will cast your vote as the tournament continues.

We had one tie that I needed to break and that was the matchup between Marcus Ford and Tony Taylor.  Talk about pressure...if I let Marcus advance, then this could only mean that I hate Tony Taylor.  Marcus wasn't a prolific three point shooter but he did shoot 22-55 (40%) and 20-52 (38.5%) over two of his seasons.  Unfortunately, his only other season at GW saw him shoot 2-13 from 3.  Tony shot 34.1% over the course of his 4-year career but averaged nearly 1 made three per game.   Ford has a slightly better percentage but Tony has far more attempts and makes.  I don't hate Tony Taylor, and he advances.

Onto the quarters..matchups announced alphabetically by halves of the draw:

Top Half:

Carl Elliott vs. Nemanja Mikic...Big Shot Carl against a guy whose freshman year was arguably GW's best three-point performance over the course of a season.

Kwame Evans vs. JJ Hudock...JJ made 39 in a season where he averaged 13.1 minutes per game; Kwame played a lot more minutes, and took many more 3's as a result.

Mike Hall vs. Noel Wilmore..Jack of all trades or a Specialist?

Yegor Mescherikov vs. Chris Monroe...Vegas will not take your bet on who Free Quebec is voting for.

 

Bottom Half:

 

Greg Colucci vs. Shawnta Rogers..  Which one had the most in a season? Shawnta with 86 makes. Which had the highest % in a season?  Greg at 43.7%.

Nick Griffin vs. Joe McDonald..Career: Nick: 38-95 (40%), Joe: 76-207 (36.7%)

Maureece Rice vs. TJ Thompson..Career: Mo: 151-393 (38.4%), TJ: 229-637 (35.9%)

Dirkk Surles vs. Tony Taylor...Tony, I can only do so much.

Please take a moment to vote on these Round of 16 matchups.

 

5/1/2015 2:52:43 PM - ziik - 2,950 posts (#9)

We're Colonials.  Loyalists were the other guys.

5/1/2015 5:36:21 PM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)

Carl Kwame Mike and Yegor.

Shawnta Nick TJ and Dirkk.

 

 

 

5/4/2015 9:49:29 PM - herve - 9,159 posts (#1)

http://www.gwhoops.com/default.aspx?mid=23112

5/4/2015 10:35:48 PM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)

Jeez, Herve a lot of traction on that 1 on 1 thread! MV, fire up some of the hosses so we can finish this one off!

 

5/5/2015 10:05:27 AM - The MV - 4,915 posts (#4)

Herve, thanks for reposting the one-on-one thread.  It really is a fun read.  Perhaps one-on-one matches are much more fun to imagine than three point shooting contests since the defining aspect of the current contest thus far has been apathy.  Where are the voters?  Personally, this thread strikes me as a lot more fun than debating whether a player who will not be playing at GW should be asked to play for GW.

So again, I'd like to ask everyone to vote on the Round of 16 matchups.  (My votes are only used to break ties.)  If apathy towards this thread persists,  we'll call it a day without a winner.  That would be fine, but since it will take you roughly 30 seconds to vote, I hope you'll do so.  Thanks.

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