Settlement
newgwfan
 9/22/2017 2:43:37 AM      Replies: 270

newgwfan9/13/2017 4:21:57 PM

Per Fran Fraschilla twitter feed...

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the mv9/13/2017 4:50:52 PM

Not at all surprising; in fact, predicted right here (albeit 7 months ago). 

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ziik the bomb thrower9/13/2017 5:18:46 PM

I doubt a step was taken in negotiations before GW and ML's lawyers consulted the GWHOOPS community, including all of our illustrious 'The' contributors.

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buff and blue bandit9/13/2017 5:27:58 PM

Washington Post writeup:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/sports/colleges/gwu-settles-dispute-with-former-basketball-coach-mike-lonergan-over-his-firing/2017/09/13/82f07732-98bb-11e7-82e4-f1076f6d6152_story.html

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the dude9/13/2017 5:39:27 PM

It wasn't so much as predicted on this site, as erronoeously claimed to have occurred already (by you The MV, roughly 7 months ago)  What was ML's leverage? He had none.  No lawsuit, no large settlement, no admission of any mistreatment, the University specfially disputes his claims as part of this non-disclosure statement announcement: "GW denies Mr Lonergan's allegations."  Could not be much clearer, this was always just a PR excersize.  Specifically denying the other party's claims is rather bold in part of the non-disclosure agreement announcement, certainy that was part of the negotiated agreement.  "The University will be issuing a statement completely denying the ML claims as part of the announcement."  Bold stuff. Crystal clear. Should be at least.

There was a lot of misinformation from the Bowie enclave.  "A lawsuit was going to be filed, a "very large" settlement had long ago been reached, ML was not going to be fired, Nero would be fired, ML was just a whistleblower , the players were all liars, the WaPo article was BS hit job, etc etc."


All that false bluster is over, there was never going to be a lawsuit, no large settlement, just a face saving PR campaign full of misdirection and hot air, that was always going to end in a small settlement of non-disclosure, to save what little face could be saved, since a very small settlement was in everyone's interest. 

Thanks for some good times in the past ML, invest your small settlement wisely. Time to move on. 

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rich maier9/13/2017 5:54:04 PM

Dude, no need to get into MV's face. This should be the end of this long journey not an opporunity to get into another argument.

the mv9/13/2017 6:00:01 PM

But thanks for letting me know Dude that it was a small settlement and not a large settlement.  Seeing how you know this for a fact.  Much like all of the other facts you know.  Worthless.

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ziik the senile old man9/13/2017 6:07:17 PM

I am a bit confused. 

Is ML still coming back? Does JJ have another semester? Will Jess Settles collect Social Security before he uses up his eligibility?

Why no more talk about Tommy Penders? Where's he at? 

the dude9/13/2017 6:11:18 PM

Rich, I consider it an opportunity to correct some falsehoods, as well.  One can make some rather obvious deductions from today's news, which is quite different from 7 months ago posting now provably demonstrably false claims as facts, or taking part in the defaming of the wrong person/s in the matter at hand.

That is part of the moving on, IMO view at least.

 

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bigfan9/13/2017 6:36:51 PM

If you know what you're talking about, please tell us without personal attacks, how much the " small settlement" was?

If you don' t know, is it wise to post as if you do--and gratuitously open old wounds for no apparent, helpful reason?

Perhaps worth thinking about before hitting the send button.

Anyone can post what they want within the bounds of some decency. But just a gentle, respectful suggestion.

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outside observer9/13/2017 6:50:32 PM

Believe the statement plus the initial "inadequate" dollar offer (several months?) is the settlement. School rejects any improper dismissal or inappropriate school actions in the statement and Lonergan gets acknowledgement of success on and off the court of his program including charitable work by him and Maggie. LeBlanc gets this off his plate and both parties can move on without any Trump-Clinton pissing matches. Next!

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lalaw9/13/2017 6:57:02 PM

The Dude gives all GW Law grads a bad name. No wonder he couldn't get a real legal job and works at Kinko's doing e-discovery.

According to my sources (who are many and still close to the program), Lonergan will never have to work again. The Post said his extension was for $500,000 a year, it was actually for $750,000 (will be confirmed by future tax disclosures) putting his remaining contract at 3.4 million owed.

Lonergan will very soon be hired. I have heard many programs have been waiting for either the lawsuit to be filed or a settlement to be reached before acting. Until then, he can watch his kids grow up and count the interest on his payday.

I am also hearing GW will allow Nero to die on the vine and get rid of him as soon as his contract runs out - they can't afford another lawsuit - if they fire him now, even though his dismal performance would allow it.

Thanks Knapp! Another brilliant move to add to your great GW legacy. 

We also made national news the past few days when the USNWR rankings came out - GW caught fudging the admissions records back in 2013. 

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gw future9/13/2017 7:15:36 PM

The Dude is clueless as usual. LALAW has it mostly right. Dummy Dude babbles on. Dummy Dude is spinning because he was told to try to put icing on a shit cake for GW here.

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gw hoops129/13/2017 7:42:56 PM

The Dude's stomach hangs over his tiny dick

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ruserious9/13/2017 7:48:09 PM

Nice try, LALAW. Never have to work again???  Hired soon????  Good grief. At this point I don't think anybody believes the Bowie lies. 

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the dude9/13/2017 8:26:41 PM

(The board has been plagued a long time by someone (s?) lying on behalf of ML.  Sad, but I am quite certain you are all aware of that now. At every turn like this, out come the attack dog names, personal attacks, and smoke for ML. 

Don't believe anyone is fooled, indeed.  Simple solution is really to click the block button, instead of engaging.  Unfortunately the lies also extend to Mojo and Nero, so I wish I could say we'll soon put this to rest, but sadly that's not true either.  Block button works though.) 

ML is bound to silence by the terms of this non-disclosure, but GW issued a flat out denial of HIS claims.  That should tell you all you need to know.  Why would he otherwise agree to THAT?  He has to stay silent, but GW gets to say his claims are untrue?  IF ML was unjustly fired for cause for verbal and emotional abuse and defamed, his career in severe jeopardy, he'd have a helluva lawsuit, and the lawsuit could help clear his name. Well, his good name isn't cleared in the slighest by this.  To the contrary, things look worse today than yesterday.

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bo knows9/13/2017 8:31:00 PM

Damn. I go to a business dinner and I miss this announcement. As MV mentioned, we knew it was coming eventually. Have no idea as to the final terms as no one on either side is talking as they shouldn't. Doubt anyone here has them either.

At this point, nothing else to say but hoping that ML can move on and find another job. He will in time. He's a good coach.

And now GW can move forward with Mojo without the specter of a costly and perhaps PR damaging litigation.

The rest as they say is history which will be debated among GW fans here and elsewhere for time eternal.

 

 

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neil9/13/2017 8:34:24 PM

$3.25 million.  Glad it is over.

Good luck Mike on your future and we will miss you.

 

MOJO best going forward and we wish you the best.

Glad this behind us.

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danjsport9/13/2017 8:44:45 PM

sounds like they found a deal best for everybody.  Now we can all move on too.  Good luck to ML-thanks for the great memories.  Good luck to Mojo-here is hoping for more good memories soon

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gw future9/13/2017 8:55:00 PM

Dummy Dude please please tell us you didn't graduate from this fine institution's law school.

It is clear that your paralegal training has left you lacking in the understanding of settlements. Typically settlement agreements contain a clause where the party against who the claim is asserted is able to deny liability. Lonergan had claims against GW probably none were asserted by GW against Lonergan. If so GW would be the party denying liability. This is a face saving way to allow the payment of a large sum of money. Lonergan can't comment on the amount or circumstances and GW saves face that they had to pay money.

This settlement was solely about money and you can bet it was a lot. If it was a small amount GW would not care about confidentiality. No way Lonergan cared about confidentiality because he has been itching to tell his side of the story and get back his reputation. GW paid a large sum to ensure Lonergan wasn't running around telling his side to the media because it would not have been pretty for some at GW.

So Dummy Dude close that pie hole before you become an even bigger clown than you've already demonstrated.

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wesuck9/13/2017 9:05:17 PM

Shout out and thanks to President LeBlanc for getting this done. I heard he made this a priority and wanted to resolve without litigation at all costs.

Knapp, screw you! another feather in your legacy cap that includes:

1. the diploma mill scandal

2. altering admissions data that will haunt us for decades

3. Hiring a muslim extremist terrorist who now claims his love for everything jewish, only to be fired later

4. Firing a proven winner who recruits great young men who graduate only to fire him after he exposes our sexual predator AD and now have to pay him a bunch of money in order not to expose GW's mismanagement with a lawsuit.

Mojo is a great guy but in over his head. Before we are half way through this upcoming disaster of a season, 90% of you will be calling for his head. We should be calling for Nero's head instead.

We need to start a "firepatricknero" website (I was against the firekarlhobbs site because I thought he deserved more time). Start thinking you creative types - "LosingNero" a play off of "finding Nemo", "neromustgo", etc.

 

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wesuck9/13/2017 9:09:19 PM

Heard this settlement was made on the eve of filing the lawsuit.

Lonergan and GW may be bound by the confidentiality agreement but we aren't.

BoKnows, MV or any of the other credible posters, can't someone use their connections and get a copy of the draft complaint? If so, you will be the guest of honor on ESPN, The Sports Junkies, etc.

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long suffering fan9/13/2017 9:18:15 PM

My guess is (1) structured settlement, along the lines of Neil's report, meaning it will be paid out over years, and (2) ML will be coaching at a major program for double his GW salary within 9 months.   In case you weren't paying attention, he was an excellent coach.   I am likewise glad this is now all behind us. Best of luck to ML...and lets go Mojo!!!

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gw699/13/2017 9:33:53 PM

Win-Win -GW denies his allegations--he gets some money.Done and done.

Side with the Dude on this one. Not a lawyer,but GW DENIES M.L.

allegations. He takes some money and litigation avoided.We can move on.

Truly best result for all parties.--mostly for the future of the program.

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mentzinger9/13/2017 9:48:32 PM

Good to see the Pravda-like expungement of the NIT be replaced by a more accurate, circumspect and respectful epitaph. ML will coach again. Glad it's resolved. Will be interesting to see how the ML era holdovers fare.

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the dude9/13/2017 9:50:54 PM

Doc, you got it right.  As terms of this settlement, GW got to issue a flat out denial of ML's allegations, while ML is muzzled.  That says it all. Those types of things are negotiated as part of the settlement.  Quite revealing.

 

 

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bigfan9/13/2017 9:51:32 PM

Hard to know, but Neil was specific and has quite a good track record.

Maybe Bo Knows or someone can enlighten us further as a backup.

Better off to have informed posts than idle speculation.

And yes, it's fair to share here. Over the LONG RUN,we are more interested in GW basketball than anyone. Helps us evaluate a very painful time that just ended today.

We can forward and resolutely support GW basketball while acknowledging the past. So anyone with knowledge should come forward to share.

Pretty sure disclaimer is standard in exchange for hard cash and may or may  not indicate anything.

Hard to believe ML would settle for small potatoes, since a jury trial could be a wildcard for GW.

Sure the many lawyers here have an opinion on that.

maine colonial9/13/2017 9:52:42 PM

In the end, GW friend and ML friend John Feinstein volunteered to clean up the mess for the Post and try to smooth things over. 

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mentzinger9/13/2017 9:56:09 PM

Not sure if Feinstein has it right that "Nero hired ML away from Vermont." Pretty sure ML preceded PN by a few weeks. Even if PN formally introduced him, I so not believe he hired him.

the dude9/13/2017 10:57:43 PM

Why would ML take some settlement agreeing to a full non-disclosure agreement, and YET allow GW's to issue its own statement denying your claims?  Why not file a lawsuit so as to clear your good name, as was promised? We were told repeatedly there was nothing to the allegations and that all would be proven so shortly.  What happened to that?

ML is still a young man for the profession should have had two full decades ahead of him, accepting a settlement, no lawsuit, no public defense of his reputation, the GW statement denying his claims.  None of this helps his shattered reputation.   What happened to he's fine and will have his good name cleared?

 

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gw future9/13/2017 11:12:22 PM

Dummy Dude continues to double down lol. Of course you can't expect a dummy to comprehend legal settlement nuances but Dummy Dude continues to proceed full speed into the abyss. Who is paying you Dummy Dude to try to clean up the stinking shit sandwich GW just handed their finances and donors? It isn't working.

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the real dude9/13/2017 11:13:13 PM

Maine Colonial, I've been waiting for you to chime in on behalf of Nero.

What's wrong, don't like Feinstein because he won't run with the Nero fed scoop like Kilgore?

If I were Nero, I would be trying to figure out a way for some sport other than squash to land in the top half of the conference at season's end. Our athletic program is horrible and will remain so for the duration of the Nero era - which will be when his contract expires because he wouldn't be hired anywhere else. Get used to this sportfans.

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lalaw9/13/2017 11:17:01 PM

Dude, stop. You are only embarrasing yourself and whatever reputation our academic institution has left. GW could have broken the top 50 had you been able to graduate in 4 years and get a decent job.

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gw699/14/2017 6:12:48 AM

Dude is correct--nothing in the settlement

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gw699/14/2017 6:28:49 AM

(continued) gives Lonergan his "good name" back.The part where GW thanks

ML for the NCAA and the NIT is pointing out t he obvious. He took some 

money. Good for him and his family.Everybody can move on.Im not sure

that other schools will jump at the chance to hire him--but who knows--

much stranger things have happened--some program will take "a flyer"-

why not?

 

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notta hater9/14/2017 7:05:31 AM

what will some people have to post about now that this has happened. BTW, "we suck" what diploma mill issue? 

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long suffering fan9/14/2017 7:43:37 AM

Certainly no surprise that a settlement was reached at this time.   ML was fired around September 17, 2016.   Settlement announced on September 13, 2017.  There is a one year statute of limitations for libel/slander in the District of Columbia.   Competent and reasonable counsel know that litigation is something to be avoided for reasons too numerous to list here.   If it was going to happen, now was the time, otherwise once the suit was filed, this could have dragged on for another year or two, at staggering litigation costs for both sides, with the cloud of ugly publicity hanging over the basketball program and ML, a hyper competitve person (to the extent that it probably caused him to cross lines to the extent that it got him fired), prevented from doing what he desperately wants to do most, namely return to coaching.   (Of course the dollar are important, but not top priority for either side).  Anyone objective person who was paying attention was aware that there were solid arguments to be made by both sides and that a trial would have been a crap shoot.   I am only one person, but once I read that an accord had been reached and GW released what I am sure was a negotiated statement (so what if it was), I immediately started feeling better about the program once again and felt for the first time in a year that I can move on from the ugliness that was so hurting the program.    I can now say that I am excited now about the approaching season and will let bygones be bygones.   Of course we are all curious about the settlement but we should just let it be and get back to what is important, namely discussing GW basketball and anonymously insulting persons with fictitious names using our own fictious names.  Now...anyone know when the open practice is?

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gw future9/14/2017 8:22:37 AM

You are mostly right of course LSF but there is no way one can over emphasize what a fucking dumb ass Dummy Dude is. He is an embarrassment to this University and needs to be labeled as such every time Dummy Dude opens his pie hole and spouts his bullshit. I may disagree with other posters from time to time but this guy has earned a special place. Dummy Dude is either fucking with everyone, a planted troll, or a person with very low IQ. Take your pick. Any way, he is still an embarrassment to GW Hoops. If it is the latter, no way he is smart enough to hold a job at Kinkos as someone noted. Bo Knows is calling for civility on another thread. I say to everyone but Dummy Dude, I come in peace. But that smug MF can kiss my ass because of his bullshit and personal attacks on players over the past few years on this board have shown a pattern that is reprehensible and obviously not fixable.

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free quebec9/14/2017 8:23:18 AM

Dude, you ask why ML would accept a settlement that requires him to keep quiet and allows GW to deny his allegations.  I think the answer is obvious: for a lot of money (likely in the millions).  Your own question disproves your (and your other poster name's) silly claim that this must have been a small settlement.

 

if the school and ML can come to agreement to put this behind them, maybe you can follow their lead and retire GW69 and all the other names you use to advance your narrative... and maybe the ML confidant or confidants who are also posting under many names here can also leave us alone.  While there are still raw, bitter feelings on all sides, this would be a good time to try to move on without the garbage. 

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the mv9/14/2017 9:35:40 AM

Can't really say it any better than LSF, GW Future and FQ.  Dude, in that dumbass way of yours, you keep asking why when the answer is so unbelievably obvious.  Do you think ML is agreeing to these terms for a small settlement?  You obviously do, but what on earth is the logic behind this?  There is none.

Seven months ago, I did not want to reveal a figure so I had provided a broad range of $1 million-$10 million.  Since Neil has provided a number, I will add that this number is very much in the same neighborhood as what I had heard in February.  LSF gave a great explanation as to why this was delayed until when it was completed, with the statute of limitations running out.  And as he correctly points out, lawsuits are very costly and no matter how much in the right you may believe you are, verdicts are sometimes unpredictable.

Interesting that RUSerious would make an appearance on this thread.  Are we all supposed to forget your claims that there would be no settlement nor a lawsuit  because Lonergan had nothing?  It was impossible not to notice that there was no mention of this now that a settlement has been reached.  You don't even get the right to weakly counter with "but it was a small settlement" a la Dude, because your claim was that there would not be any settlement.

Finally, thank FQ for pointing out the embarrassingly obvious Dude/69 connection.  I've hung onto this one for months but didn't want to be the one to again bring up Dude's obsession with conjuring up phony personas.  "Gotta side with Dude on this one", "Dude is correct",...please.  And we're to believe that an actual therapist would incorporate "69" in his poster name? (I guess he was Freudian.) Dude, your act is so tiresome.  You have lied countless times here, made up phony poster names so that your views give the appearance of having a consensus, and yet you begin this thread by pointing out that you'd like to correct some falsehoods?  Are you serious (or are you RUSerious)?  If you won't leave this site once and for all, maybe you can take 69 with you and go seek out some real therapy?  It couldn't hurt.

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thinker9/14/2017 9:39:09 AM

A lot of silliness above. Let me make some points in no particular order:

1)  There would have been no lible/slander case because GW never said much of anything publically. ML's case would have had to have been via employment law - wrongful termination, breach of contract, or Title IX - or some combination. The statement above mentions defamation but that would have been pretty iffy.

2)  Both sides ultimately needed a settlement to close the door on this. For a variety of reasons a settlement wasn't going to get done until Leblanc was in office.

3)  ML's leverage over GW was diminishing over time not increasing. After this season, the only players that will still be on the roster that ML recruited will be Toro, Bolden and Williams. Hajj and Carmen are SOOO moved on from ML. MoJo has a season under his belt and has some very nice recruits coming in next year (with some transfers too). The team and players have moved on.

4)  Confidentiality works for both sides and in multiple ways. GW doesn't admit guilt, but neither does ML. Maybe GW hides how MUCH they paid OR ML hides how LITTLE he was paid. I would be stunned if there wasn't some type of non-disparagement agreement where both sides agree not to talk further about the events.

5)  Impossible for me to imagine that ML will be coaching at any NCAA school anytime soon, settlement or no. And no ML wasn't a really good coach because part of being a really good coach is managing your relationships with your players, assistant coaches, staff, and bosses in a very different manner than ML managed those relationships. He did some things well and other things horrifically. The thing that kills his re-employability isn't as much his treatment of the players as it is his inability to get along with his bosses and the acrimonious legal and PR battles that followed. Potential bosses simply cannot accept that.

6)  #BowieStrong folks: no thoughtful person buys the Gay Cabal Conspiracy Theory. It simply isn't plausible. No other school is going to look at the events and conclude that was the reason ML was fired. ML's reputation is cooked.

7)  Nero didn't conspire to eliminate ML. If anything, he was too passive in failing to control ML's behavior much earlier. This gave ML the false sense that he was invulnerable and did not have to moderate his behavior or even have to try and get along with his bosses.

8)  ML did not have a strong legal case. I believe he did have a very powerful nuisance case though. If he had a strong case it would have been settled or litigated much sooner. I've posted extensively in other threads about what I believe ML's legal position options were.

9)  ML also went through multiple lawyers - an indication that ML and his lawyers did not see eye to eye on the merits/value of his case. He started out with perhaps the most prominent law firm in America dealing with wrongfully terminated coaches. Why did the law firm leave the case?

10)  A profoundly small number of people know the settlement number - a few lawyers on each side, Leblanc and perhaps some of GW's board and ML and Maggie and (and of course whatever names ML and Maggie are posting under on GWHoops). If ML can be shown to have disclosed the number, GW would most likely be able to sue him and get the money back. No Neil does not know the number.

11)  My personal guesstimate on the settlement amount is about $600,000 - 700,000. I cannot imagine a scenario where it would be much more than that. Posters with no legal background or no background in these kinds of things should feel free to debate this point -- just like the cashiers at Best Buy seem intent on debating Trump's startegy on North Korea. 

 

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ziik the bureaucrat9/14/2017 9:59:26 AM

I agree with Thinker's Points 1 and 8, which to me are all that matter. 

ML was not as seriously bloodied up as some disgraced coaches, and, he will get hired somewhere. But he may be better off in the long haul by letting his wife work while he does the laundry.

Wojcik (sp), whose flaws seemed most akin to ML's recently got rehired, at a low level assistant position. ML has some polish, so maybe he can catch on as an announcer/color man. 

Thank goodness, we have no bodies, babies, or little kids to hide, like some of the religious schools (Baylor, SMU, Notre Dame), or Big State U. (PennState, every school in the SEC).

 

 

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fredd9/14/2017 10:23:06 AM

RIGHT ON FQ! If the principals have moved on so should. As we are learning in other spheres norms really count. So if being right is more important than helping a handful of people enjoy GW Hoops have at it, but do so knowing your are ruining, yes, ruining (hostility, changing names, trolling, gotta have the last word) the only place I've found where we can dig deep on GW ball.

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gw alum abroad9/14/2017 10:34:56 AM

So, did GW settle a frivolous lawsuit (or threatened lawsuit) or did ML take GW to the woodshed? Who cares? GW is better off without him (or at least so sayeth the University braintrust) and ML is clearly better off without GW.

Now, when MoJo retires at age 60 after hanging more Final Four banners than the Smith Center roof can support structurally, will the offspring of TJ/Big Pat get the job automatically or will he/she have to go through a just-for-show interview process?

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the mv9/14/2017 10:39:36 AM

Thinker, while I do not possess a legal background, I do have an extremely well-connected source who I completely trust.  That's not to say this person is right 100% of the time because nobody is.  But it is to say that when he provides me with a number, he's not guessing or making it up.  And given how things have played out, it is entirely conceivable that a settlement in principal was reached when I said so in February, but LeBlanc was needed to sign off on this as you suggest before it could be publicly reported.

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danjsport9/14/2017 10:41:44 AM

Unless the settlement number impacts GW basketball or the school in a prohibitive way, I'm just glad this is done.  Don't care how much he was paid; don't care who was at fault; don't even care what Nero's role is/was/will be.  Just want Mojo and GW to succeed.  They've got recruits this year folks seem somewhat excited about, and recruits next year that folks seem very excited about.  I'm just excited to watch it all play out and hope there are tourney runs in the near future.

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gw future9/14/2017 10:45:57 AM

Fascinating ... Thinker says no one knows anything, tells us that Neil couldn't possibly know an amount, but then goes on to guesstimate 600-700k. Based on what? Seems like Thinker is no better than the Best Buy cashiers lol.

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bigfan9/14/2017 11:03:26 AM

Note how well done,balanced and fair the print version of the Feinstein article is.

It captures the essence of both sides, without a parade of anonymous sources with an axe to grind but without the guts to say with their name attached. Article was done at a fraction of the space of the original hatchet job (students at the actual Hatchet would have done it more competently). 

Reported with a non-hysterical, non-slanted tone, being fair to everyone and letting both sides have a say, which is or should be the American way.

Since the original story by a sportswriter with delusions of Watergate grandeur and more anonymous sources than Woodward and Bernstein left so many holes and so many questions, believe it is one of the reasons why we are so fractious here.

This was all in public we had to go on. And then we were bomarded with johnny-come-lately's who weighed in on these topics and nothing else.

Interestingly, Kilgore who triumphantly outed one of his sources, Matt Cimino, in the waiver story, is nowhere to be found on this, when the university pays out money to Lonergan. Just as he was when Pato and Zeke and Creek (all just so hard to reach for the original article) came out with their statements of support. Not his name on anything other than lip service for the other side.

If Feinstein, Dan Steinberg, Gene Wang, pretty much any other reporter, a member of the janitorial staff or even the homeless people who stuff the inserts, had written the orginal article, we would have been far less susceptible to the extremist crap on both sides of the debate.

 

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long suffering fan9/14/2017 11:28:42 AM

Thinker...as an intentional Tort defamation cases have a one year statute, and even if you don't believe ML had a strong defamation claim, to not bring the lawsuit within the statute of limitations period is legal malpractice, so the upcoming deadlines was real.   Further, I don't think that either you or anyone else on the board can give an accurate assessment of the strength of the respective cases, and to minimize MLs s claim by calling it nuisance is simply your speculation (wish) based upon your dislike of ML  Finally, we may disagree on this, but a coach that pulls a program that had hit bottom, won 75 games in 3 years, including beating several ranked teams and got an at large NCAA bid and an NIT championship is a good coach,even if there are some out there who think he under a hieved

 

 

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the mv9/14/2017 11:30:16 AM

Excellent points Bigfan.  It is indeed telling that Kilgore was removed from follow-ups on "his" story.  This would normally not be the case.  Feinstein also deserves credit for "holding back" any potentially biased theory that he may have been told and remaining completely objective since he knows this would boil down to a "one guy's word vs. another guy's word" narrative that could not be substantiated.

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ruserious9/14/2017 11:57:49 AM

No way in hell GW paid 3million for a settlement with everything they have in that investigative report. My guess is 500k to get rid of him for good. Will be shocked if he ever coaches again. 

 

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the mv9/14/2017 12:14:40 PM

Yawn.

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long suffering fan9/14/2017 12:40:20 PM

ML would have coached again because he is a good coach and someone would hire him.  What the school's official statement did was open more coaching doors for him than had it existed without the statement.  (Given the level of animosity on both sides, I have little doubt in my mind that the statement by GW was part of the negotiated settlement rather than GW doing it out of the goodness of their heart).   The only reason ML did not get a coaching job for this season, at least in my opinion, was it would have weakened his legal claim (it is called "mitigation of damages). Now that the claim is resolved, he is free to return to work.

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gw alum abroad9/14/2017 12:46:24 PM

As a former reporter, I can think of many times where a year or more after I had written an article the story resurfaced and another reporter ran with it. Why? Because I had moved on to other stories. And the original WaPost story did not rely on anonymous sources but on an email trail involving Title IX compliance and the administration. And this is about the one millionth time that this has been pointed out here. And MoJoBall(tm)  is in place now.

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del taxi9/14/2017 12:49:52 PM

I find it interesting that university statement denies wrongdoing from an employment law perspective while simultaneously distancing itself from press reports.

Combined with other statements about team success, off-court contributions, seems like settlement was crafted to position Lonergan for a future return to coaching since it provides plausible deniability about the initial allegations.

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thinker9/14/2017 12:54:43 PM

MV,

If ML told you a number - then he's in violation of the settlement agreement. If ML told someone else and that person told you - then he's in violation of the settlement agreement. If a lawyer involved told anyone the number -- well they didn't.

I find it amazingly unlikely that ML would be stupid enough (I've been wrong about how stupid ML is before though) to tell anyone the actual number. So no, I don't believe there is someone in the know that told your the actual number. I don't doubt that you think they told you an actual correct number. If someone actually knew the actual number and they told it to you - then the magnitude of stupidy in Bowie is far greater than I imagined.

LSF,

Wrongful termination, breach of contract, and Title IX suits are statutory claims. The central premise of any suit by ML would be based on those claims. He wouldn't sue solely on defamation because he'd have to prove wrongful termination anyway. If he sued for the statutory claims then the injury arising from the wrongful act or breach by GW would include the damage to his reputation and be included in the damages awarded for the claim anyway. The statute of lmitations in DC for written contract disputes is at least 3 and sometimes 4 years.

Spin ML's victories any way you want - he was a disgrace as a leader of young men, as one the highest paid employees of the University, and as a representative of GW. A good coach can't be that - by definition.

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gonzo9/14/2017 1:21:01 PM

This thread is just as exciting as relitigating the Democratic primary. (O'Malley would have won, BTW)

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gonzo9/14/2017 1:23:02 PM

And it goes to show that very few of you actually understand journalism (GWAA and others excepted).

bigfan9/14/2017 1:23:40 PM

Isn't all this harping on "Bowie" what our anonymous sources and their hyper-sensitive ilk call a microgression?

 

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long suffering fan9/14/2017 1:27:02 PM

Thinker:  Of course the other counts would have been preserved, but even losing one count (even the weakest claim) to a statute of limitations is not a wise practice for a lawyer.  Besides, correct me if I am wrong (I am sure that you will), but it has not been an area of practice for me and it has been a long time since law school, but my recollection is that "defamation" carries with it punative damages, and that GW has "deep pockets".  There would have been exposure on the university's part.   A claim doesn't have to be strong...just strong enough to make it to a jury for it to have value.    Filing suit beyond the one year period would have been a mistake.

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rich maier9/14/2017 1:27:13 PM

LSF, you're still sticking with ML was a good coach. He got fired because he was sooo good. An important part of coaching is developing young men, and as Thinker noted he was a disgrace as a leader. Hope GW never has another coach like ML. Perhaps he can coach a girls JHS team since he has such a keen interest in girls basketball or perhaps be a scorekeeper.

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fredd9/14/2017 1:36:35 PM

Since we are getting all wound up let's have a review of HRC new book and just go for maximum rancor and zero fun. 

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the dude9/14/2017 2:30:44 PM

Thinker,  Rich, others, well said.

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gw future9/14/2017 2:57:42 PM

Who knew that Rich Maier's middle name was "Precious Snowflake"?

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bigfan9/14/2017 3:07:16 PM

Anyone need to point out the obvious to Rich: even if ML is coaching a girls JHS team or just keeping score--he is likely being paid 7 figures while he's doing it.

Whether all of this was worth it to do it this way-- and not even a reprimand or suspension if you somehow feel it deserves punshment, blowing up the program, is another question.

Even $500,000 dismissed as a nuisance figure here would send two deserving students through GW and could have done a lot to help students or student athletes in any other way.

Hope this was worth it.

 

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nj colonial9/14/2017 5:01:23 PM

I'm with Thinker and Rich Maier, good posts guys. I was sorry that GW lost ML and I thought he did a great job as far as results on the court and with recruiting. But I am angry that his actions behind the scenes resulted in bad publicity for our Alma Mater and him being fired. At this point I am concerned about GW, not Mike Lonergan. Now let's move on!

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danjsport9/14/2017 5:01:57 PM

I think ML gets a job again.  Heck, Bobby Knight wound up at Texas Tech.  He'll get a job again because he wins wherever he goes.  He graduates players.  He makes tournaments.  I think this settlement paves the door for him and, if I were a betting man, I'd bet that the settlement was for a decent sum,  though not the full sum of his contract, with the nice line in the press release offering him an ability to coach again without much acrimony.  

He's got players that support him, clearly.  He'll get another job where other players support him (and some others don't).

the dude9/14/2017 5:05:02 PM

In reality, the moving on had long ago already begun.   Hopefully helpful this news, but either way, that process began long ago. 

 

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little birdie dropping knowledge9/14/2017 5:11:12 PM

Just south of $3M.  Not that big a number, considering the downside for GW was slightly more than tripple this amount.  Suffice it to say, they settled because ML's claim had substance.  GW's denial is permissable under the agreement and was reasonable for ML camp to agree with because ML was recipient of the money and the payment made clear ML had a reasonable case.  Neither party may disclose any details and there is a nondisparagement provision.

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bigfan9/14/2017 5:21:46 PM

If correct, that speaks volumes.

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little birdie dropping knowledge9/14/2017 5:52:39 PM

It's correct.

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wesuck9/14/2017 5:52:47 PM

The reason I bother to read this stuff is people like BoKnows, MV, LSF,Free Quebec and a few others.

The reason I laugh so much is because of people like The Dude, with all his aliases to include Thinker, Dick Maier and a few others I can't keep track of.

Let's revisit this thread in late December when MOJO is struggling to get wins against low level D-1 teams and these same idiots are calling for his head and telling us he Nero should never of hired the guy who transferred to play for Lonergan, was his team captain and started his coaching career under him. MOJO will one day be a great coach (maybe not here but somewhere) but GW will never win another post season championship in our lifetime (NCAA, NIT, CBI, CSI, etc)

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thinker9/14/2017 5:59:44 PM

LSF,

I don't know all of the elements of defamation in DC but here's a link discussing it:

Defamation in DC

The biggest problem for ML in establishing defamtion, though, is that GW made only one public statement - the termination statement that was very brief and vague and talked only about ML behavior being inconsistent with GW's values - or something to that effect. No one at GW ever published ANY other statement then or after about ML -- so I don't see how he could have been defamed by GW. The statements in the WashPost - if made by GW could qualify if all the other elements were present - but GW didn't make those statements or appear to have caused them to be made.

Bigfan and others -- I promise you with the conviction of Christ that no one here will ever know with certainty what the settlement amount was. All the numbers are spin to make ML look good.

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gw699/14/2017 6:12:18 PM

I am a real person who graduated GW in 1969.--that's why I came up with the brîlliant name GW69.I am a therapist in private practice with an office in Georgetown since 1978.

I often agree with the Dude--and Thinker and often with others like Rich .

At times I've agreed with LSF and BigFan.

its fine to attack me directly--I can handle it. I am not the Dude.

Lonergan was a disgrace.As a therapist I've had the oppurtunity to blur boundaries thousands of times--and I have not done it once.Its been a privilege and an honor for me that people share their lives with me.I would never betray their trust.

 

 

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the dude9/14/2017 7:51:56 PM

Doc, Rich, Thinker, others, the things you've said have been right for a long time.  There's been a bizarre propaganda effort for years on the board, we're of course seeing it again now.  

I'd like to say it will go away with ML, but it will not, we saw it all last year, which turned a surprising 10 win A10 season and an improving fun team into an oftern miserable read here, a coordinated effort to demonize Nero, ridicule Mojo, spread disinformation. Etc

 

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gw future9/14/2017 8:15:38 PM

Dummy Dude do you always have conversations with yourself on message boards? Just asking for a friend.

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the dude9/14/2017 8:24:03 PM

My suggestion is to use the block button, but to also call it out.  Serious question, why has most of the rest of the board stayed silent about this for so long? 

My other suggestion, is to work to a more interesting, thoughtful, maybe even humorous place to discuss the team. Instead of engaging the trolls, click the block button, but also discourage these posts that shift focus, the personal attacks, the blatantly errnoneous ..etc etc.

 

 

 

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gw future9/14/2017 8:53:04 PM

Why ask why Dummy Dude? You know why the Board remains silent. Most breathing GW fans with an IQ of over 20 see you for what you are: FRAUD. Any questions????

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flush9/14/2017 8:58:45 PM

Lonergan was a disgrace says our local therapist.  Lonergan was a disgrace.  

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gw699/14/2017 10:01:35 PM

The sacrality of boundaries is the most important tenent when roles are not 

equal.It is a disgrace to violate.It may sound a little over the top--but as 

someone who lives this daily I find this behavior particularly egregious.

Its impossible to overestimate the importance of clear boundaries in a

leadership role.EVERYTHING follows from this understanding.

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the real dude9/14/2017 11:07:19 PM

Must admit I was caught off guard by the recent events. I've been able to avoid this site this Summer (thankfully) due to busy work schedule. But after hearing the news I had to make some calls. Here's what I now know:

Last I heard (2 months ago) Lonergan had exhausted all attempts to resolve and collect what was owed on his contract ($3.4 million) and hired the Clare Locke firm - firm known as aggressive litigators who represented the UVA Dean who was forced out after the Rolling Stones story about the frat rape - found later to be made up. They were preparing to file when GW finally agreed to settle. Nobody will ever know if it is because of Pres LeBlanc, the fear of getting the complaint and Lonergan's side of the story out in public or a combination of things. Heard the complaint was asking for neighborhood of 30 million - 3.4 owed on contract, attorney's fee's, punitive damages and loss of future earnings. Just using lonergans last salary as a basis (somewhere around $750,000 I was told), with another 25 years of coaching (until age 75, well short of Larry Brown), that alone is almost 19 million. I guess GW didn't want to risk it - this is a simple case. Lonergan's contract had 4 1/2 years left. They owed him 3.4 million. The only way GW could get out of that was to sell a jury on the fact they had "good cause" to terminate. Try telling a DC jury that good cause was met by Lonergan being mean to Matt Cimino, kicking Dan Guest off the team for skipping classes and saying that Nero had the hots for tall men (if true).

It's anybody's guess what Lonergan was paid but I was told he was extremely satisfied with his legal team, is financially set for life and is quite content to being in the daily lives of his family. Some think he may never coach again (doesn't want to deal with today's privileged generation and doesn't want to deal with the daddy Guest's of the world) but I think he may come back if the right opportunity comes - since money is no longer an issue maybe he will coach at a place like Catholic again (real student athletes) or Mt St Mary's U (where his wife went and played and doesn't have the pressures of an A-10 school). Who knows?

Time to move on, let Coach L move on and worry about where GW goes from here. As a native Vermonter, I was a huge ML fan and am a huge MOJO fan . However, I worry MOJO wasn't the right choice , but only because of his inexperience. If given the proper support, he should be fine. It's interesting to note that the GW coaching staff is former Lonergan players who not only wanted to play for him but coach under him. Mojo, Chris Holm, who left Nevada to go to Vermont and then was hired by ML after his pro career, Joe McDonald. Carm wasn't but I'm told he will be gone as soon as he can get another job (which is difficult because he hasn't done anything in his short career). Everyone around the program seems to know that Carm cuddled up with Nero when this all went down and attempted to pull off a coup for the HC job - that shows bad judgement right there!

I hear Nero is like Casper the ghost right now and keeping a very low profile. MOJO is in a great position. Nero can't touch him or screw with him or MOJO will be the next GW employee to hit the lottery. Nero won't attempt inappropriate contact with any players or he will be gone the next day. MOJO will win or lose based on his coaching and recruiting. We will now see how good we had it under ML.

Therefore Lonergan is happy, GW is happy, so lets now bitch about something else until the board starts a firemojo site. When Lonergan left Vermont there were a lot of unhappy people but most understood he just wanted to go home. It also helped that one of his assistants (John Becker) picked up right where he left off and continued to do things the "right" way. However, we had our "The Dude's" who complained about everything. Hopefully MOJO will be our "John Becker" and continue the success ML started. I sure hope so.

 

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family of gw bball9/15/2017 12:15:34 AM

I'm a family member related to current GW Basketball team. (Yes family and fans read this site) Last post is a bit bizarre    Seems to me that even though matters were settled between both parties, you still can't let it go and you continue to slander people. Seems that you can't get the fuck out of your own way. Maybe that was the problem from the start? No? 

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thinker9/15/2017 1:11:25 AM

Gosh Maggie,

I think it's you that needs to let go and move on. Screaming at refs during games is one thing -- but this is really altogether another.

Awesome spin, though. If only that were remotely the case. I think there were a couple of things that factored in other than Guest and Goss. Maybe the masturbation to practice videos business for example? Maybe the long pattern of refusing to comply with his bosses directions? Your post is full of all of your ongoing and continuing grievances - Nero dated players, Carmen is a snake. Why did you leave Pete Strickland out? Didn't want to name the player "sleeping with Nero" again? That seems so unlike you.

The only way GW could get out of it was to prove to a DC jury that ML was fired for cause?

Too funny! But in our legal system actually ML would have had to have proven by a preponderance of the evidence that GW did NOT fire ML for cause. I know that's a bit of a technical argument for #BowieStrong types, but still, yes for GW to prevail they'd kinda sorta would have had to have shown some evidence that they fired him for cause. I know there's likely scant evidence among the witnesses that were interviewed by the independent counsel. So you could be right.

Still it's an odd argument for you to make though. The whole premise of your all's argument for the last year has been that GW had to fire ML to cover up Nero's dastardly gay deeds. The Gay Cabal Conspiracy Theory as I understood it was that GW would be bankrupted because of the exceptionally pro-gay court and jury system in DC. Now you're saying that GW would never prevail because the same DC court and jury system would never buy GW's claims that ML was fired for among other things making homophobic comments to players? Good LORD please make up your mind!!! Does the DC court and jury system love gays or hate gays??

Nero won't attempt inappropriate contact with any players or he will be gone the next day.

HAH I'm pretty sure that was the case all along!

MOJO will win or lose based on his coaching and recruiting. 

Yeah, I agree with you here. I'm pretty sure that's the case with all coaches, right?? The only caveat being that you can also get fired for saying homophobic things to your players and fundamentally refusing to comply with the wishes of your bosses. 

Heard the complaint was asking for neighborhood of 30 million

Dr. Evil told me the figure was closer to ELEVENTY MILLION DOLLARS.

Last I heard (2 months ago) Lonergan had exhausted all attempts to resolve and collect what was owed on his contract ($3.4 million) and hired the Clare Locke firm - firm known as aggressive litigators

Wait, was ML trying to collect that on his own without a law firm? He only hired Clare Locke after he couldn't collect his money? Why didn't ML just send a QuickenBooks invoice? I'm sure GW would have paid it if he used the right customer number. And what are you saying about ML's first lawyers John Dowd and Scott Thompsett??? Here's Dowd's website link. Here's Thompsett's website link: Yeah I can see both those guys look like idiots and never could have won a case for ML. I mean Dowd's only meanigful experience was doing the report on Pete Rose for MLB. He's such an idiot that Trump just hired him as his personal attorney. Thompsett -- EVEN worse - He's only represented more coaches in NCAA infraction cases than any attorney in the country. Who cares that he's represented Jim Calhoun, Rick Pitino, Rich Rodriguez, Randy Bennett, Ben Howland, and Rob Senderoff?

I can see why ML would have fired them to collect his $3.4 mil on his own -- Better to not have to share all that loot with the lawyers, right?? Smart!!

Anyway, I'm off to bed Mags. Don't stay up too late tonight, you have a busy day ahead of you investing all of your MEGAMILLIONS!

 

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flush9/15/2017 1:12:38 AM

I do agree GW 69 

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bobo9/15/2017 1:20:59 AM

Thinker,

Read the post again: says the poster above is related to the CURRENT GW team.  So he/she could be a family member of Mojo or someone else on the team but not ML.

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bigfan9/15/2017 1:24:17 AM

Hard to know what details are right or who has real information. But the post before yours sure seems to have a ring of authority in terms of details, insight and phraseology.

If you are really a current family member, sorry your family member got caught up in this nonsense that led to the situation we are commenting on. Especially if it's your son.

Family members and players shouldn't read this board. Best for your mental health to stay away. Would be hard to see a child discussed publicly.

But if you still want to read or be on the board even with advice against that, if you have anything to contribute from your particular insight, please feel free to add. If it adds something.

 

 

 

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porter719/15/2017 2:01:46 AM

Your vitriol against ML and his family is really sad Thinker.  What did he do to wrong you that causes you to lash out so much?  It can't just be basketball related.  If it is, you need a new hobby.  You are WAY too invested.  Nobody just rants on a stranger like unless it is personal.

There is no way a reasonable person honestly thinks that Lonergans wife is posting on this board, risking everything in her husbands career, to impact the opinion of literal 75 people.  That's just preposterous.  This board isn't that cool (sorry Herve).

i am happy this settlement is done and everyone can move on.  I hope MoJo continues to grow as a coach a leads us to the success we had under ML.  I think his first wave of recruits is promising.

I hope ML gets another coaching gig.  I think he is a good coach (he's won everywhere, so it pretty silly to argue he isn't).  It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up as the top assistant at a large school that has a young/inexperienced coach before eventually moving on to get his own gig.  If this has been 6 months ago, he would have been a perfect fit for Ewings staff.  Time will tell, but he has too good of a basketball mind to stay unemployed.

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thinker9/15/2017 2:32:17 AM

Porter,

I'm only responding to ML, his family, and his supporters posting at his behest who are trying to spin things to convey that ML wasn't fired for his own disgraceful behavior. If they stay off this board, then I will have no need to rebut. But I'm not going to read their bullshit lies and not respond. Do you honestly think that all of these new poster names coming out of nowhere who casually exonerate, minimize, and understate ML's behavior aren't connected to ML?

I could give two shits about ML. I do have a personal interest in GW, though and will continue to comment on posts that I believe wrongfully disparage GW. 

And my post above is hardly full of vitriol against ML. My post is mainly mocking many of the stupid points made by "The Real Dude."

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ruserious9/15/2017 5:13:59 AM

The posts filled with lies on this thread are just proving that ML has not changed, will never change, and will never coach again. He can't help himself. The "masturbation" comments were just the tip of the iceburg, hence the investigation and the removal of ML by security. There was no multi million dollar settlement.  I would imagine ML was hemmoraging money with legal fees, not to mention extremely bored making beds and doing laundry, and finally settled, hoping it opens the door to some type of job. 

 

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the mv9/15/2017 9:39:50 AM

To be as fair as possible, I don't believe it's been Maggie Lonergan who has been posting here.  I do believe that it's been Colin Kaepernick's girlfriend Nessa.

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thinker9/15/2017 10:00:02 AM

I had not considered that possibility MV -- I will have to ponder.

Is Nessa also part of Bowie Lives Matter?

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gw future9/15/2017 11:28:57 AM

While Dummy Dude has dumbed down this board it is clear that Thinker, while not stupid, clearly thinks he is the brightest bulb here. But his own intellectual arrogance belies some key holes in his arguments. For example, he constantly reminds us he doesn't know any facts but then with the force of God is ready to dismiss any report that doesn't square with his view. Neil and The Real Dude are full of shit according to Thinker but just because he says so. He has no facts to counter anything they have said other than his opinion which he believes should have the force of Judge Brandeis teaching us mere legal mortals the ropes.

He derisively derides anyone as part of the Bowie Strong crowd or as Maggie because his arrogance or anger won't let him acknowledge that in these types of disputes there is another side quite possibly with some valid arguments.

But Thinker here is what you really need to know all that aside. I believe you once said you worked for Lou Katz. That's actually good here. See if your sources can comment on why the Board of Trustees had to approve this settlement and what amounts generally must be approved (I am told =/> 1 million) That will tell you what you need to know about the magnitude of the settlement even if we don't know exact amount. Please come back and report on what you find out. I am fairly sure you are in for a surprise.

 

 

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gw729/15/2017 3:07:21 PM

ML was Knight without the success. An abomination and embarrassment to the school. A big bully who has lost everything. His job his reputation his future. Sad story. 

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bigfan9/15/2017 3:35:45 PM

Thinker, we can disagree civilly, when you are not calling names in a virtue signaling attempt to show you are morally superior.

But is you who is disgraceful in your attacks on Maggie Lonergan, a good woman who loved GW basketball, the players and their families. Besides our own eyes, have confirmed this with a player family of someone we all love that Mrs. Lonergan still reaches out to help even extended familly.

Do you have proof that Mrs. Lonergan posts here--and has made horrible accusations. Put up or reign in your shameful attack.

Look, many of us have passionate opions (hope this debacle was worth it). But why attack a man's wife?

What if it was your wife, mother, sister or whoever you are close to? How would you feel?

Note the settlement statement lauded Mrs. Lonergan's efforts. Whatever fllaws you perceive, the entire Lonergan family loved GW basketball.

Thinker, you bring an opinion that can contribute to the debate here when not calling horrible names, although for some reason ML (and forgive if this is recalled incorrectly, former AD Jack), have really pressed your buttons. That's fine. Fire away. But a man's wife? Really?

Believe should be allowed to say things here we wouldn't necessarily say to someone's face. Even so, you have really crossed the line here. For a Thinker, you're not really thinking.

Disappointed that posters here let this go on without saying something. Is there no shame? 

People respond viscerally to their loved one's being attacked. Unless you have compelling evidence, be a man and deal with whatever you perceive of Lonergan by attacking him.

If you want, keep slandering a diverse community that the Lonergan's are part of. At least it's a large group. Really elitist and distateful, but so be it.

But be a man and a gentleman and leave family out of it.

Don't attack a man's wife. Just don't.

It not only demeans you, it demeans this board.

 

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gw729/15/2017 3:47:36 PM

Mike rice without the videos. Thank God none of the film of this has been released. 

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bobo9/15/2017 4:46:58 PM

Mike Rice has been a head coach for The Patrick School in NJ for the last 2 years.

realistically9/15/2017 5:28:21 PM

I guess we will never know the whole truth if one or both parties of the conflict is prohibited from discussing the case.  However, one thing is clear from the settlement, though without admission of any fault, is that it reflects the university' poor decision to fire ML.  Now the university is a few millions poorer by covering up what really occured.  Realistically, why would the university settle and pay the settled amount if its case for firing ML was just, appropriate, and evidence-based.  And please, the amount has nothing to do with moving forward and putting this behind.

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nj colonial9/15/2017 5:48:19 PM

Y'all, stop jumping to conclusions, you don't know the full story of what happened or the specifics of the settllement or the amount ML received from the university.  I know what I have been told by reliable sources and I can tell you that it is time to move on, get behind GW and support the Colonials.

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little birdie dropping knowledge9/15/2017 6:01:45 PM

The specific amount of the settlement is known to some.  Both the University and ML are satisfied enough to have agreed and they now want to now move on, which is exactly all of us must do now that the episode has concluded.

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maine colonial9/15/2017 6:17:22 PM

Let's all agree that hiring a diehard turtle fan to be our head coach was a huge mistake and make sure it never happens again. 

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gw future9/15/2017 6:24:33 PM

Maine - Let's not and you can say we did. Fair enough?

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porter719/15/2017 6:53:01 PM

ML helped turn around a program that had declined significantly in the last years of Hobbs.  While the way his tenure ended was unfortunate, we had some success on the court and I would hardly call it a huge mistake.  Hell, he doesn't even rank as the #1 disaster for a coach we have had in the past 20 years.  ML's statements and relationship with the AD were bad.  However, Tom Penders was much much worse.  You want embarrassment and abomination.  That was Penders.  ML had problems with relationships.  Penders took a good program and almost destroyed it with his lack of institutional control.  I think sometime we need a little bit of perspective when we talk about how bad the program is.

 

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gw729/15/2017 7:10:55 PM

ML was fired for cause for abusing our players.  Good riddance. Let's not underplay what happened here. Brought us national disgraced coverage. Thank God he is now gone. 

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dea9/15/2017 9:02:22 PM

jesus this board is insufferable.

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gw future9/15/2017 9:57:16 PM

Dummy Dude by another name (GW72) is still a dummy. That is all.

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thinker9/15/2017 10:05:13 PM

GW Future,

I worked with/for/under Lou Katz a VERY long time ago. 

Last year I posted that I didn't know specific facts about a lot of things. I have gained a lot more specific information since then. I don't know if I am the most brilliant person on this board on issues like this, but I definitely am close. (Was that sarcasm or was I serious?). Many people here know who I am and what my background is. I am not some mysterious anonymous poster. I have posted here regularly since the early to mid-2000's. People can choose whether to accept or reject what I say based on a very long track record with me here. That's something that makes me different from many of the drive-by posters who randomly and briefly show up to defend ML when some story comes out and then disappear shortly thereafter.   

The BoD is consulted on a variety of things. It is not like small claims court vs. regular court where the dollar amount determines where a case is heard. Normal uncontroversial business things might have a dollar threshhold but controversial things wouldn't have any dollar threshhold. Items under a certain dollar amount might not NEED BoD approval but the President can use his discretion to ask that any issue be considered by the BoD if it is important enough. If the BoD meets on something, the only thing that be be concluded from that it that the University thought it was an important issue. Would a settlement with ML be important enough to take to the BoD? OBVIOUSLY. If in fact they took that issue up and voted -- then that wouldn't tell us ANYTHING about the amount.

The only people who would know an actual settlement number are lawyers, LeBlanc, the BoD, and ML. Anyone else would have had to have been told by one of those parties. If someone is posting here in a manner that reflects well on ML then IF they have the actual number then it would have had to have come from ML himself because no one else would be telling.

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colonial779/16/2017 2:09:16 AM

Mike it was revealed is a bigot and a homophobe. Unhinged and deranged in his behaviour. Real shame cause if not for those things Mike would be a helluva good coach. Instead he was an an out of control bully a black eye for GW. 

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1971 walkon9/16/2017 9:30:48 AM

ML made many positive stategic moves via the grad transfer route and strong recruiting choices to fit his vision of fielding a solidly motivated, competitive, and disciplined team.  It was exciting to see it evolve and achieve success.  He did a helluva job during his time.  Unfortunately, the non star-power players were pawns in the system and berated by the douchbag side of ML, which made this all come crashing down.

This era of GW basketball was the most paradoxical ever.  The legal aspects, while interesting, seem to have concluded.  

Time to turn the page and see what era evolves going forward. Will we see growth and good solid team chemistry?  Or, a stagnant chaotic mess of pieces that don't fit?  Hoping for the former.  Bring on the season.  Can't wait to see the team photo.

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mentzinger9/16/2017 12:40:04 PM

If you think ML was a bad hire (in retrospect, of course), please tell us who else was interviewed before he got offered. I'll wait.

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gw699/16/2017 12:57:45 PM

So if Mojo turns out to be a bad hire what's the dif?Ill wait.

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ziik the soothsayer9/16/2017 1:06:32 PM

I foresee ML getting a haircut, as a condition of the settlement, and getting rid of the wisps.

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the dude9/16/2017 4:38:06 PM

Ziik, that may well have been part of the negotiated settlement.  Long overdue.

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gw future9/16/2017 7:04:06 PM

Dummy Dude keeps inventing new names to make the same dumb points. I guess he can't be an ordinary single dummy he has to be a multiple colossal dummy.

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nj colonial9/17/2017 1:40:19 AM

Thinker: don't you mean BoT - Board of Trustees?

iamserious9/17/2017 2:12:11 AM

Family - get a life and stop trolling on fan boards. That's how this nonsense started in the first place. It's no wonder we can't break the top 50 in USNWR! Certain alumni and family members are morons.

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thinker9/17/2017 10:13:57 AM

Yes - NJ - That's what I should have said.

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bigfan9/17/2017 6:22:29 PM

Who is Family that is referenced?

Don't recall any post in the recent ones from someone with Family in the name.

Unless it is our dysfunctional GW family.

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the dude9/17/2017 9:39:08 PM

I'm amazed for all the words said on the subject, how little these words have been uttered by our alumni community of fans:   "The behavior of our Ex-Coach and his treatment of our student athletes, was totally unacceptable."

 

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gw future9/17/2017 9:49:33 PM

I am amazed for all the words said on the subject, how little these words have been uttered by our alumni community of fans: "Dummy Dude is a moron. Dummy Dude regularly embarrasses GW. Dummy Dude's posts are unacceptable."

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maine colonial9/18/2017 9:06:22 AM

The Hatchet tried to dig deeper into the settlement story and one former player was quoted in today's edition:

A former GW men’s basketball player under Lonergan, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, alleged that Lonergan’s behavior was “terrorizing” and “demeaning,” but said the coach may have deserved the settlement.

“Just getting flung out with no work, out of nowhere is tough for anybody,” he said. “But you just have to conduct yourself with professionalism. At the end of the day, I don’t know who’s deserving of what. But I do know that he was not abiding by standards of any university.”

LINK

 

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gw future9/18/2017 9:47:13 AM

Another anonymous snowflake heard from ... when he said "terrorizing" did he mean like ISIS terrorizing or maybe just Hezbollah? Lol. I guess the drama queen pussy factory is working overtime to produce this generation. 

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too bad9/18/2017 9:58:57 AM

Too bad the student reporter chose to characterize the former anonymous player's remarks, rather than provide full context.  Raises lots of questions.   Also a question of why a former player would need anonymity for that quote.  Would have been nice to know if it was a player who filed a complaint, spoke to the Post, defended Lonergan in the hearing, etc.  I definitely appreciate the student reporter looking into this beyond what the Post or any professional journalist has done, though the way the reporter and editor chose to do the story raises as many questions as it answers.

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the mv9/18/2017 10:07:45 AM

And still, it's just impossible to overlook the fact that as horrible, abhorrent, and unprofessional as ML's behavior was alleged to have been, ML was still fully prepared to file a lawsuit where all of this would have been under a microscope for the public to see.  I just don't see a way where someone even prepares to do this unless there is more to the story which hasn't been told, information that would either help explain his position, clear his name, and/or receive a sizable payday.

When the school agrees to settle, I understand that it wants to avoid the publicity, avoid student-athletes having to testify, avoid paying legal fees, etc.  However, I can't help but think that if the school was 100% in the right in firing Mike with cause, and had absolutely nothing to hide or keep quiet in all of this, that they might opt not to settle.  That's admittedly more theoretical than anything else, but a settlement of any amount does say to me that GW's position in all of this likely wasn't exactly iron-clad.

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outside observer9/18/2017 11:26:56 AM

Obviously haven't been involved in legal settlements, MV. Don't know any of agreement details but your presumptions about what Lonergan  must have received and or had on the school are just that, fanciful presumptions. Both sides had lots of reasons to settle so that both could put this behind them. ML to resume his coaching career and GW to clear this from LeBlanc's to deal with list. So-called willingness of Lonergan to file suit was never really tested. Multiple legal reps for him suggests that his case may not have been as slam dunk as a Zeke Armwood bucket. 

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the mv9/18/2017 11:49:05 AM

Outside Observer, you lose a lot of credibility with me when you start attributing phrases like "what Lonergan must have received" to me.  There has been nothing so definitive about any of this.  I have never said that he "must have" received any specific sum.

Now, my presumption is based on a real amount that was conveyed to me, a while ago, by someone who I firmly believe would be in the know.  So yes, I do think that Mike likely received something in this neighborhood because I have a lot of faith in my source.  Could this number have shrunk over the course of 7 months?  Of course it could have.  I don't believe this is what happened but I wouldn't rule out most anything at this point.

I do find it comical that you believe GW's primary motivation for settling was to clear this from LeBlanc's to deal with list.  If you are in The Dude's camp and believe that ML is walking away with a $10,000 check or some small sum like this, then I suppose this is plausible.  However, if the dollars are in the 7 figure range as several here seem to suggest is the case, do you really think GW departs with this sum because even though they were unequivocally in the right, this gives our new president one less thing to worry about?  I don't.

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gw05099/18/2017 12:14:47 PM

Being "unequivocally in the right" goes out the window once you bring a jury trial into the equation. 

No matter how resolute GW may have felt in their correctness in firing ML, sometimes it's worth it just to settle and move on, even if it's a not-insignificant sum of $$$.

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outside observer9/18/2017 12:15:43 PM

MV you're the one who wrote that you couldn't see how Lonergan would even prepare to file suit unless there is more to the story that would "help explain his posiition, clear his name, and/or receive a sizable payday." An amount from 7 months ago may be right on target or no better than the Trump clan's January denials of ever having met with Russians. Whether the dollar amount was 5, 6, or 7 figures doesn't really matter to an institution that is ready to move on. So yes, if Lonergan got 7 figures, good for him. If he got 5, certainly more than your cynical $10,000, then good for GW. Since it's an agreed upon amount, it's probably good enough for both of them. As for your sources, you know them, I don't. But "source" info from both sides on this subject hasn't been the most reliable. Source info from the pre-LeBlanc time period is even more suspect.

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gw729/18/2017 12:44:08 PM

Terrorizing. About the strongest word. Players felt terrorized by ML. Same player felt sympathy to ML that he didn't extend to the players he terrorized. 

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danjsport9/18/2017 12:44:16 PM

STOPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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rich maier9/18/2017 1:50:47 PM

MV, all the focus has been on why GW settled. If ML was 100% certain he was falsely fired and GW had no case why did he settle? 

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squid9/18/2017 2:01:41 PM

I'm glad this happened, now let's never talk about it again.

I'm not kidding. ML is gone, what's done is done, let's move on and support GW, Mojo, the players, and so on.

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the mv9/18/2017 2:22:28 PM

1) Let's stop with the STOP messages.  Danj, Squid, this is a reasonable discussion regarding the aftermath of the settlement.  When you decided to enter this thread, entitled Settlement, you really had to know that there was going to be some discussion, even debate, about it less than a week from the announcement.  Block me or anyone else if you feel you must but more to the point, maybe you should opt not to view a discussion if your contribution towards it is to suggest that we no longer talk about it.

2) Outside, yes, I did write this.  Stating that ML was prepared to file a lawsuit to help clear his name, explain his position, and/or result in his gaining a sizable payday does not mean that I personally presume anything.  My point was that if he was willing to put his own alleged objectionable behavior under a microscope, he had to have very good reasons.  And, it's interesting to read your thoughts that GW was ready to move on and that a 7 figure settlement wouldn't matter any more or less than a 6 or 5 figure settlement.  I'll respectfully disagree with that statement.

3) Rich, a) he was satisfied with the compensation he'll be receiving; b) he wants to resume his career and can't with a lawsuit hanging over his head; c) despite what ML's actions and behavior may have been, he is the one who was allegedly wrongfully terminated and this makes him the aggrieved party.  Another reason why the likely settlement amount was for more rather than less than what some here seem to think.

 

 

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ziik the soothsayer9/18/2017 2:29:08 PM

1,000.000.00 vs. 999,999.00

Subtract:  attorneys fees, costs, related reimbursable items

Cash balance: Who knows?

Net gain: ML remains employable

 

 

Footnote item: are his children still entitled to free tuition?

ziik the soothsayer9/18/2017 2:30:18 PM

P.S.:  NO MORE POSTS

 

(excepting by ML, Ms. ML, and me)

colonial779/18/2017 2:39:02 PM

Agree with MV,  stop with the stop posts. People want to discuss. Let them.

You don't?  Don't. Simple solution. 

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gw future9/18/2017 3:01:45 PM

GW72 how was your arrival from the Drama Queen Pussy Factory? How is it in Snowflake land?

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danjsport9/18/2017 3:38:09 PM

MV- do you see any irony in asking people to stop writing "stop?"

There is legitimately nothing to debate or discuss, at all.  You're all guessing as to what a settlement is or individual's motivations are for reaching a settlement.  Obviously, both sides felt compelled and sufficiently satisfied with whatever agreement they came to.  I don't know if ML felt like he just needed something to clear his name or if he's now set for life.  I don't know if GW settled this just to get it over with for millions of dollars or if they, with a new president, were able to resolve things.


here's the thing--none of us do.  You're basing your opinion on information about a purported settlement seven months ago.  Others are basing it on their information.  I read this thread thinking there might actually be new information.  There isn't. You're all simply just guessing.  Debate is fine.  This is not debate.

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the mv9/18/2017 3:47:15 PM

danj, there is plenty of debate which is admittedly based on speculation and not necessarily fact.  That said, there doesn't appear to be a shortage of posters who would like to provide their thoughts and opinions on the subject.  In your view, there's nothing to discuss yet in other people's views, there appears to be plenty to discuss.  So to come along and cry STOP really serves no purpose.  Once you saw that there was no new information, why post anything at all?

 

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bigfan9/18/2017 3:54:52 PM

Yeah, just stop talking about the biggest news in a year. It's only GWhoops.com, not a message board devoted to the most minute details of GW basketball. Let's instead talk about the possibility of whether the Federal Reserve will raise a key interest rate.

The Hatchet article is actually the best piece we've seen on this, which is both sad and uplifting.

Where it failed greatlyl, and the young man can learn, is that it did not describe the context of the former player and any axe to grind. Was it Dan Guest, who believe was gone before 2015, the likely candidate, who had his own issues that also screwed him up at his next stop--and has written about them in public? Or someone else, like Cimino, outed as a source by Kilgore, who didn't play and hardly lit it up at lower-level AU this year?

 And despite asking Lonergan for pro forma comment the writer knows he can't deliver, again taking a cue from the Post, the young author of this article doesn't bother to contact numerous former players willing to give the other side. As well as state the obvious: that the coaching staff all worked under Lonergan, seemingly happily. And the head coach and two of three assistants, 75 pecent of the coaching staff followed Lonergan from Vermont as players or coaches. So presumably they would have witnessed this alleged"terrorism" before.

"Terrorizing," when there are real acts of terrorism every day is such a sick, whining comment as to be worthy of contempt.

Back it up. Even this manchild admits that ML probably shouldn't be fired.

 Comments like that about terrorizing make one feel the same way at GW Future on snowflakes. Someone needs to tell these kids who receive a full scholarship, room and board worth $300,000, a cash stipend, international and domstic trips and hero status well above often better and harder-working GW athletes, that sometime criticism is constructive (see Patricio Garino who wore an NBA uniform). And while they were the best athlete in high school, they don't give out participiation trophies in college (though that is probably coming).

There are buried players who actually did and some who would have accused Jarvis and Hobbs of the same thing.

 If we were to be honest, many posters heard worse and even suffered from what would be called physical abuse (no whiff of that with ML).

Mojo, who is the nicest guy in the world and a fine young man, singled out and scream at Tyler Cavanaugh, an all time GW great, right in front of the cameras. The emotional equation in sports is not so easily measured by the trigger words so popular on campuses today.

We all know that other universities and in the past and today, even Mojo's lifetime hero and celebrated mentor Tom Izzo, from Little League to high school that there would be one word to describe someone like ML and even those who were way worse and actually abusive: Coach.

 

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colonial779/18/2017 4:16:15 PM

The players aren't to blame big fan. Your post is the douchiest yet. Wow. I can assure you the players are all very tough to just reach this level.  The big baby here is you. So tough typing on a keyboard with all your fox news tough guy buzz words. The player said he felt terrorized. I bet he did. Bullying Coaches in power positions.   I bet every player is a lot tougher than you! 

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rich maier9/18/2017 4:24:30 PM

Bigfan, love your comment that Hobbs and Jarvis did that. So that makes lonergan's actions acceptable? Please explain relevance to Lonergan getting fired and receiving a settlement. You and MV have no idea what's happening just like the rest of us. 

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nj colonial9/18/2017 4:28:55 PM

This thread needs to die.

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bigfan9/18/2017 4:29:53 PM

What an elucidating contribution, GW77.

Your mastery of the word douchiest must still make the deans proud.

Sincerely hope you never see or witness real terror one day.

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the mv9/18/2017 4:43:50 PM

Take away the reported masturbation comment along with any and all aspects of the Nero-Lonergan rift and I would find it hard to believe, based on what I've heard and has been reported, that ML rightfully loses his job over this.  This "he was too hard on the players" narrative is an interesting mask in that it floats a plausible reason why a coach could get released while drawing attention away from the real issue.  I have little doubt that some players were offended or that PN rallied those players and encouraged them to talk to the Post.  Thinker gets one right in that Ml was let go due to an inability to show proper respect for and get along with his boss.  Whether ML was justified for feeling this way or not seems to matter to some here but not to others.  (Not sure how it couldn't matter but that's what makes horse races.)

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squid9/18/2017 4:54:08 PM

I was being a little bit facetious with "no more posts" but are we really accomplishing anything? We're just arguing with each other and being angry at each other over something that already happened and none of us can have an impact on.

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gw future9/18/2017 5:21:47 PM

You go Bigfan! To even put the word terror in the same article as Lonergan is an insult to the millions who have been subjected to and suffered from real terror around the world.

It really shows how weak the critics of Lonergan are that they would appropriate such a term. Colonial77 must piss his pants at the mere mention of Lonergan. How mentally weak can one be?

But I smell the stink of Dummy Dude's moronic thought processes here. If it smells like shit, looks like shit and has the intellectual consistency/logic of shit expect Dummy Dude to be messenger no matter what poster name you see here.

 

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colonial779/18/2017 5:26:59 PM

Food stamps comments probably equally damaging. 

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maryland man9/18/2017 9:10:10 PM

Excellent post on Coach Lonergan’s Facebook last night.  How appropriate that he would choose Job 27:6 to draw strength from over the past year: 
"I will maintain my innocence without wavering. My conscience is clear for as long as I live."

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colonial779/18/2017 9:25:17 PM

ML is an embarrassment to the school. We were warned of this by Vermont folks. 

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outside observer9/18/2017 10:17:41 PM

I also found it interesting that Coach Lonergan had drawn earlier and current support from General Michael Flynn's brother on that Facebook page and responded to him by specifically comparing himself to the ousted White House national security advisor as someone who had been wrongly maligned and removed from his job. Really? Not my idea of the kind of person with whom I'd want to associate my questionable situation.

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thinker9/18/2017 10:33:35 PM

MV, Two small but meaningful distinctions:

I've always said ML failed to get along with his bossES. I am certain that his issues were a problem for others in the administration though Nero was the most direct point of contact. I believe, profoundly that, although ML may have seen this as a ML vs Nero issue -- GW didn't see it this way.

Also ML failed to get along with his bosses because they wanted him to behave differently, particularly with the staff and the players.

It's not exactly all one or all the other.

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maine colonial9/19/2017 6:26:40 AM

ML might want to ponder Job 1:21. Job is quoted as saying:

Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

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maine colonial9/19/2017 7:18:10 AM

Job 1:21

"...the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD."

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gw future9/19/2017 8:47:48 AM

Well Maine Colonial if you want to quote the Bible you and others might be well advised to read Psalm 101:7 ... "No one who practices deceit shall dwell in my house; no one who utters lies shall continue before my eyes."

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maine colonial9/19/2017 8:52:46 AM

GF: Please forward a copy of Psalm 101:7 to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW.

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gw future9/19/2017 9:28:44 AM

What that deflection has to do with Lonergan and GW I don't understand. But not to worry Maine Colonial, I was 8 years ahead of you. Only problem was when I sent it over, it came back marked "Delivery Refused".

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the mv9/19/2017 9:42:19 AM

Thinker, I see you've broadened the Lonergan issues to his staff as well.  That's interesting.  Hajj had been with him since the beginning.  Carm is still there.  Chris and Joe were eager to join him.  Kevin Sutton left for a comparable position at Georgetown with higher pay.  The only individual who left ML while at GW under dubious circumstances was Pete Strickland, and this had as much to do with Pete not wanting to put in the time and travel that Mike expected of his assistants as anything else.

So if you have some information on how the school wanted Mike to behave differently with his staff, I'm all ears (or I guess eyes in our message board world).

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the dude9/19/2017 2:30:13 PM

1. Joe joined Mojo's staff, not ML's.

2. Staff members (including past staff members) were among the half dozen who spoke up about ML in WaPo.

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bigfan9/19/2017 4:01:42 PM

What is the perspective of the former staff member (not necessarily coach)? If it was Strickland or that temporary guy retained for only one year (against note the wording of the anonymous source), that's something that should be explained. If its someone who recruits against GW in any way, that should be explained.

Motives make a difference.

Here's something that have tried to point out, but only lip service has been paid to:

Most important, 75 percent of the current coaching staff followed ML to GW. Surely, they must have known what an evil man he was, "terrorizing," poor little full scholarship/stipend players. Terrorizing them right onto half the A-10 All Academic honor role.

If ML was a horrible person and members of the staff, including the current head coach chose to join his staff, stayed and didn't quit over principle even with years to plan an exit, then we should have no respect for them as men and human beings.

Some principles are more important than being in a job for years while you witness and abet evildoing.

Absent any proof we haven't seen, personally believe Mojo and the staff overall good people. Not questioning their motives or humanity like those who claim really bad things happened while they were part of the coaching staff leadership for the man they followed to GW.

So, think about when you're castigating ML as an evil terroristic beast, rather than someone who might have blown off steam with some allegedly intemperate, snide or even stupid comments, think what you are saying about the character of the current coaching staff.

Because you're saying they turned a blind eye to abuse. Or accepted it for a paycheck.

It's not an area where you can quietly try and make things better. It's real abuse or not and men and women must stand up against evil.

 

 

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ziik the soothsayer9/19/2017 4:11:46 PM

I see life as being full of uncertainties, Bigfan.

Don't you?

Heck, Darwin only posited a theory. Einstein, too.

Some things we need to accept, like them or not.

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gw future9/19/2017 4:53:13 PM

So according to the Snowflakes GW dismissed Hitler and replaced him with the Nazi guards. Of course that isn't what happened here. But you can't have it both ways. If Mojo looked the other way for years while Lonergan terrorized and abused players, how can GW rationalize his hiring? Of course I don't believe for a NY minute that Mojo looked the other way. There was nothing to look away from.

This is why the whole scenario defies basic logic and leads me to believe something isn't being told here.

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danjsport9/19/2017 5:00:11 PM

Bigfan-  I don't know anything about what ML did or didn't do.  So I am not one to call him a terrorist or anything of that nature.  But I think it is surely easy to see how somebody could follow ML.  1) He won everywhere he went and had a successful formula.  To follow that makes sense.  2) They may not have had any other opportunities at the time, and following ML may have been the only (or best) option available to them.

As to whether ML's actions should have caused them to leave, maybe they should have and maybe not.  It appears that many have accepted ML's purported actions as part of what should just be accepted.  This includes those who publicly supported him like Mo Creek and others (that I can't remember right now and am not omitting for any particular reason).  The coaches, I'm assuming, fall into that category.  

Point is- it's over.  Thank goodness.  Looking forward to seeing what Mojo and staff can do starting next month!

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gw699/19/2017 5:24:57 PM

Even I a die-hard progressive stopped litigating the election a long time ago.

Trump is President--too bad for me!!Time to move on fellas.A dissapointment

to be sure for ML supporters.Who are the snowflakes now!!

 

 

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the mv9/19/2017 5:35:26 PM

Really 69?  "Time to move on fellas.  A disappointment to be sure for ML supporters.  Who are the snowflakes now!!"

If you really want people to move on, that's precisely the type of divisive, counterproductive statement that should not be made here. 

One would think that an "actual therapist" would know better.  Then again, I'm probably closer to being the actual Prince Charles than you are to being an actual therapist.

Keep up the good work dude.

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gw699/19/2017 7:04:55 PM

Therapists can have points of view just like anyone else.Im not on the board 

to be "therapeutic".Grow up.

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bobo9/19/2017 7:22:54 PM

Physician, heal thyself.

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gw future9/19/2017 8:32:57 PM

None of the snowflakes can address why if Lonergan terrorized and abused players, three henchmen remain with one being promoted. The silence is astounding. That's because there is no answer that doesn't defy credulity. They know it and that's why GW just paid through the nose. What a shame.

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the dude9/19/2017 8:51:42 PM

Doc, your thoughts valued as always.  At least we can all be sure of one thing, there will be no book tour entitled "What Happened" for for this event.

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jorma9/19/2017 11:23:21 PM

Doubt ML ever Coaches again. Huge liability for more scandals. Predecessor and successor both did better. Same will prove true at GW

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jorma9/19/2017 11:34:44 PM

At Vermont that is. 

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bigfan9/20/2017 9:11:39 AM

Outside of a likely healthy 7-figure check, a clear restatement of ML's position and a public acknowledgement of his and his wife's impressive accomplishments on and off the court.

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the mv9/20/2017 10:02:54 AM

So you're not on this board to be therapeutic 69?  I guess that would explain all of those times you offered your "professional" diagnoses here by googling various psychological terms and pontificating accordingly.  Well, at least The Dude values your thoughts.  After all, why shouldn't he?

Switching gears, I had said early on that I thought it would be very hard for ML to get another coaching gig, particularly a head coaching job at a mid-large sized program.  Schools generally have very progressive values and the reasons why ML was terminated are going to be hard to overcome at most schools.  I'm also assuming that the settlement precludes Mike from giving his side of the story during job interviews.  All the more reason to believe that this settlement is in the 7 figure range.

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rich maier9/20/2017 12:39:25 PM

STOP it MV. Stop being an asshole.

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gw future9/20/2017 12:53:09 PM

Rich Maiet why is MV being an asshole? Because he has an opinion different than yours? Or are you just tired of wondering why a seven figure settlement was paid to a "terrorizer" when you were assured by two board clowns who have since largely disappeared that Lonergan would never get a dime.

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hondo9/20/2017 2:23:35 PM

You are indeed a unique kind of asshole MV

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gw699/20/2017 2:39:48 PM

MV--don't have to be a therapist to say you've got a lot of issues.--oops,

I mean to say you are full of crap.Get a life.

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hondo9/20/2017 2:57:47 PM

69 has had 45 year career as a therapist. MV sold soap once, but now his primary work is blathering all day on this website. 

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the mv9/20/2017 2:58:55 PM

You may think I'm an asshole, you may think I'm not an asshole.  But here's what we know...I'm not a poster that persists at conjuring up alternative names so that it appears like so many others are agreeing with him.  What we know is that I don't come on this site and lie my ass off.  The fact that I'm one of the few who consistently calls out this behavior makes me an asshole?  I can live with that.

I guess if I were to put myself in some of these poster's shoes, I suppose it would suck if I came on this site and said for months how Lonergan would not be receiving anything from GW, since his behavior was so despicable, only to find that he did in fact receive a settlement.  Oh well.

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the mv9/20/2017 3:01:33 PM

That's cute Hondo.  Cute that you've bought into what Dr. Sigmund Fraud is peddling. 

You're entitled to take sides.  Shame you're on the wrong one.

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danjsport9/20/2017 3:25:02 PM

MV-I'm curious if your pissing contest with GW69 constitutes the type of debate that you thought was meritorious or if that permits one to write "stop the  bullshit"

newgwfan9/20/2017 3:36:55 PM

Interesting nugget that ML is managing a gym in Bowie (http://www.baltimoresun.com/ac-bb-lonergan-0921-story.html).  I mean it is quite the fall from grace, large settlement in hand. 

I am so intrigued to find out if he ever coaches again and in what capacity.  He clearly has a track record which shows he can win at at a high level.  He has a track record of graduating players at high level academic schools.  Personally I'd be shocked to ever see him get/take a position outside of the Washington DC area at this point.  So to me his options are fairly limited.  Would any of these schools be possilities?

American University

Navy

Howard

Morgan State

Loyola

Towson

UMBC

Mount Saint Mary's

 

Who am I missing that could even be part of the conversation for his services?

the dude9/20/2017 3:43:08 PM

Assistant to the Manager, of a gym, in Bowie.

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69.138.208.1379/20/2017 3:44:53 PM

Asst. Manager at Bowie Gymnasium.  Hahahahaha.

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hondo9/20/2017 4:18:04 PM

Not picking sides. I think he is a therapist and I think you are acting like an asshole. ML it appears is now an assistant gym manager in Bowie. 

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gw future9/20/2017 4:23:55 PM

MV hang in there. The truth burns like battery acid in the eyes to these folks. They are bound to react in anger.

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gw future9/20/2017 4:28:33 PM

Plus, they are mad that Lonergan getting paid 3+ mil to be an assistant manager at a gym. Dummy Dude probably wondering why Kinkos doesn't pay as well.

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bigfan9/20/2017 5:31:12 PM

Don''t some of you have any decency?

This is a man's life. So far, all we have is some intemperate comments by him, if true, that is standard procedure in many other places, including the cherished role model Tom Izzo. See Mojo's quotes about Izzo being hard on you during the two years that touched him so deeply he transferred.

Sorry, the alleged comments stuck on trigger words. Sorry that a young man who coulldn't cut in on the basketball court who in a world where his shorter and less lucky peers fight and die in war thousands of miles from home, felt "terrorized" by a basketball coach. And even so, this player didn't necessarily think he should have been fired.

Several hard-working players stood up for their former coach in public, though not reported in the hit piece (the reaction one heard from someone who is a nuetral observer).

There's another side to the story. Once again, not necessarily sinister at all--and openly known, but still another side that adds the missing context to this. Wish there was a court suit, but we all knew, especially the attorneys, that wasn't going to happen, despite predictions he wouldn't see a dime further.

ML got outmanuevered by someone slicker. Read between the lines in the first Post "article"Thinker says some really intemperate things too, but has this one right: a power-struggle between two men that got out of hand--and we and a number of young men we alledgedly care about suffered for it--and may suffer still.

Others have posted detailed 12-point posts about the incongruities over what happened--and the mysterious reactions, including retaining all of those involved in this "emotional" horror show, who followed this dastardly man to GW. And as one poster aptly put: a no-contract bid for a highly desireable coaching job.

ML might be an assistant to the gym manager or assistant manager. Read the article about one reason why: his experience with his mother.

In any case, Lonergan may be the only assistant to the gym manager in America who can now easily buy the gym--and have plenty of change leftover. Courtesy of a settlement that will affect GW basketball and athletic for years to come.

It's naive, wrong and disingenuous to try and curb all mention of this stupid affair. But if you want to stop discussing this all the time, stop goarding people and gratuitously insulting a man (and his wife, which is way worse) who did a lot for GW.  Half the A-10 All Academic team.Compare his record to the shame of the Penders era.

Even GW recognized ML's achievements on and off the court in the settlement statement that by the way, went well beyond the usual statement from the side of the party that is paying out big money.

Those who bleat the loudest may rue the day this happened and long for another Mike Lonergan.  But even if you think good riddance, put yourself in his place, if you believe this nonsense still show some grace, forgiveness and decency.

That would go a long way toward putting this episode in the past.

 

 

 

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gw future9/20/2017 5:53:51 PM

Bravo Bigfan! Well done sir.

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gw699/20/2017 6:20:32 PM

I,for one ,am more than ready to show some grace,forgiveness,and

decency to M.L.My opinion of you ,however,has gone through a significant shift.

You've become insufferable.Your preachy,juvenile posts have become

hard to read for me. Your so self-righteous and blissfully unaware of

this that it's almost laughable.Lighten up Bigfan.M.L.is not God nor is he the 

Devil--just another struggling human like the rest of us.Trying to turn 

this into a lesson on morality simply doesn't work.The subject matter

(M.L.'s trials and tribulations) is simply not weighty enough to support 

your saccharin posts.

 

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sgw9/20/2017 7:05:36 PM

Sad to see ML broke and working as a lowly gym assistant. Quite the fall from grace 

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bigfan9/20/2017 8:12:19 PM

While can handle your disappointment without therapy, would note not a lot of grace shown so far GW'69.

One might want to consider that perhaps my position also comes from carefully screened information from, actually entirely from numerous people who are not supporters of ML or are neutral, including some respected by people on this board.

In any case, we are all entitled to our point of view and moral relativism within bounds of decent societal behavior, which one would think a psychiatrist, especially at your level, would realize. And no armchair diagnosis needed, thanks.

If you and others are still failing to actualize that realization that it is a free country  (or in your field free association and open message board, there's always a block button.

And all this pain these posts are causing you will magically all go away.

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gw future9/20/2017 8:33:41 PM

Bigfan, if it walks like a quack, talks like a quack, and posts like a quack, rest assured it is indeed a quack. Keep spitting logic - if nothing else it turns up the temperature in snowflake land.

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bobo9/20/2017 10:26:13 PM

I don't know if ML will take a coaching job outside of the DC area but it's obvious that one of the reasons he's staying and one of the reasons why he took a job at a gym in Bowie Is that he wants his family to stay in the area.  Mike and Maggie have 5 kids and they live and go to school in this area.   And despite his financial success he remained in Bowie.  

As I've said I have boys of a similar age and have seen them at games before.  I coached or watched many games in baseball,  basketball and soccer vs PG county/ Bowie teams. Almost all of them are African American dominated.  It's a lower middle class town but the fact that the Lonergabs CHOOSE to stay is testament to their loyalty.  The "Bowie Strong" lable by GW graduates living in NW DC or Bethesda or Rosylin VA has always been condescending and a slur to the region.  

Fuck those condescending rich pricks!  If that makes me BOWIE STRONG I will wear that moniker with pride. 

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thinker9/20/2017 10:51:14 PM

While people debate ML's settlement # and

Anonymously criticize players who spoke about ML's behavior anonymously and

Debate which poster name is the same as which other poster and

Wonder about ML's career trajectory REMEMBER

ML brought all this on himself by being unable to control his behavior that his bosses found to be problematic and ultimately unacceptable. ML could easily still be head coach at THE George Washington University and not the assistant manager at a Bowie gym. He could be making $700 large a year as far as the eye could see. But he just couldn't control himself. When he and his friends finally stop fucking with GW then I will have the appropriate feelings for him. I will see him as a sad figure who lost everything because of arrogance, stubborness and stupidity.

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bigfan9/20/2017 11:40:27 PM

We lost, too.

But didn't get the million plus (likely millions) that ML did.

Which, at least financially, probably go a long way toward ameliorating the feeling of having "lost everything."

Lot of people would like to lose everything like that.

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colonial779/21/2017 12:33:19 AM

He is an assistant at a local gym. That suggests he has serious financial issues. Good for him for willingness to take such a menial job. But wow. 

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ruserious9/21/2017 6:28:36 AM

You don't get "millions" in a settlement and work as an assistant at a gym in Bowie. No matter how anyone tries to spin it. Normally I would have compassion but you can tell from the Bowie trolls on here that the ML arrogance and d-baggerie is still out in full force. 

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bobo9/21/2017 8:36:03 AM

Condesending GW pricks: RUSERIOUS, COLONIAL 77, THINKER

They should all go fuck themselves

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newgwfan9/21/2017 9:59:08 AM

I wonder if some of you rooted for GW Basketball between 2011 - 2015 in spite of ML or what the deal is?  Were you aware of this treatment from day one and against the hire, is it something you uncovered halfway through his tenure.  Were you speaking out against him during this time or brewing silently?  

 

Some of you seem to revel and gloat in what has happened to ML.

 

Admittedly I'm someone who had followed his career for a while, and thought he was a good/very good coach and the perfect fit for GW.  I wanted him and the team to succeed.  When he was fired I was shocked/upset/disappointed.  I've watched the arguements on the board for the past year, and it's been tough for me to weed out what I think is fact/fiction from both sides.  The disdain a lot of you show towards his family is really strange.  A lot of this seems very personal to some of you.  

I'm happy a settlement has been reach.  Both sides are able to move on.  ML feels the settlement has vindicated him to some degree, and he's been compensated to some degree.  I'm more interested in seeing if he ever coaches again.  I hope he does, and I hope he has learned something as a result of the whole situation.

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gw future9/21/2017 10:00:48 AM

Spot on Bobo. I would add that these pricks have shown themselves not to be very bright as well. Must have attended GW when we had lower admission standards.

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gw699/21/2017 10:34:49 AM

No one on this board knows for sure how much the settlement cost G.W.

So--it's impossible to say who won or lost on that metric. It's very clear

that M.L. "lost" his reputation.Priceless.Its simply true--whether you think

he deserves it or not.

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bo knows9/21/2017 10:41:31 AM

I've been reading this for days with popcorn and have strong views like many of you. It is entertaining. It's taken almost every fiber of my being to refrain from joining the fray. So far so good. Admittedly, I've clicked some "likes" here and there.

But I now feel I have to post given that we have a potential recruit coming to campus this weekend that we really want. The question that begs to be asked is do any of you think this is a good look for GW (no matter which camp you support)?

With deference to Bigfan who writes these way better than I can ...

Marcus (and family) if you are reading this thread/board understand that this discussion does not reflect the best (or most of) of GW and probably reflects just 5 or 6 people under multiple aliases making the same points over and over again. As with any school, we will have our disagreements and this subject is a sore one with strongly divided opinions and some hurt feelings. However, we have a new coach which I believe all of us support who will put his own stamp on our program and we would love to have you join him. What's in the past is in the past and will not affect you if you come to GW. The matter has been settled. Nothing is being accomplished here except trying to win debating points over who spilled the milk. We need you to win basketball games in the future and that is far more important than events which have already occurred and been resolved between the parties.

GW is a top academic institution in a great city. You will have a great experience here and you will be close to home just 2.5 hours away. You will have a great alumni network to draw upon (for example, most of the people on this board are actually decent folks when they aren't trying to prove each other wrong anonymously). Most importantly, you have a chance to join a program that has been and will continue to be strong. We hope you will see what makes GW great this weekend and ignore all the noise here. Thanks in advance for your strong consideration of our great school and basketball program.

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gyph9/21/2017 12:13:04 PM

3.5 million would be a massive, massive settlement in the world of labor and employment. It would have leaked by now, if not by Lonergan then by his law firm. No plaintiffs' labor and employment attorney in the world wouldn't want that on their website. Very few plaintiffs' labor and employment firms, settling a case for that number (which means that their demand was much higher than that) would even agree to this level of confidentially, let alone an employer issuing a statement of blanket denial, in such a high-profile case with such little reason to have such level of confidentially. It had played out extremely publicly until the winter months. 

Also, Lonergan didn't end with the same lawyer, who specialized in coaches behaving badly, that he started with. Or that lawyer would have controlled this narrative and issued his own statement and been quoted. High-profile attorneys do not end up not quoted in press releases announcing their clients' settlement. 

A year is not long for these cases and suggests very little discovery was done; plus the lack of filing a Complaint means they weren't under any schedule for it.

The Dude's initial post is right. Thinker, I'm not even sure if the settlement was near $800,000 but it probably sounds about right. LALaw, if you're an attorney you're a terrible one. Since when are settlements just the full amount of someone's contract? Here's our demand: 3.4 million, a full contract when he just signed an extension. It doesn't even include emotional distress and costs and fees; there isn't a lawyer working on contigency in the world who doesn't ask for 5 when it's 3.4. And no labor and employment lawyer is going to accept 3.4 for the full K if they have a case worth more than that. You're making things up based on what you know about his contract. 

As for the Real Dude, to give you a real impression of the world of labor and employment when he claims that Lonergan prepared a $30 million demand -- Gretchen Carlson got $20 million from Fox News and Roger Ailes' head, and that only after filing a Compalint. He's claiming that a basketball coach who is not a "perfect plaintiff" had a $30 million demand over a contract that was another 4 years long? Deluded. If there was cause for a $30 million demand you can bet your ass his first attorney, Scott Tompsett, would have kept the case. And for more context, here's a good article about the settlement Rutgers reached with Mike Rice. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013/04/barchi_mike_rice_rutgers_unive.html 

BTW, I thought Lonergan was only in this for the truth to come out. Settling before a Complaint is even filed? No discovery was conducted, no depositions under oath? Sounds a lot like the truth was in the Saul Ewing report and the truth didn't reflect very well on him. #truthmatters on a tweet announcing your settlement with zero details, no Complaint filed, on a statement where GW unequivocally denies all your claims (as opposed to your standard, "Defendant admits no liability." statement, is the height of misplaced moral superiority. 

My only question is whether the settlement included #teambowie #bowiestrong disappearing from our lives. Sure hope so. The sycophants from bottom of the barrel DC suburban Catholic school non-powerhouses can go back to watching Maryland. 

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gyph9/21/2017 12:21:32 PM

And my God, is getting to the NCAA tournament 1 time and winning a single NIT championship not damning with faint praise. What a resume. "I took the team to the NCAA tournament in a year where the Atlantic 10 got SIX -- SIX -- bids, an unprecedented event that we may never see again in our lifetimes, after losing in the Atlantic Ten semifinal in a game that was never in doubt to VCU, and then couldn't take my stacked team of prize recruits past the NCAA quarterfinals because they hated me so badly, but luckily in the NIT tournament Cavanaugh decided to ignore everything I'd ever done and play to get into the NBA and let Guarino loft around so he wouldn't get injured, and we won it. Oh, and the reason we had to play St. Joseph's in the Atlantic Ten quarterfinals would be because we lost a must-win game at home by 20 to them 4 days after beating VCU at VCU in a tremendous victory that I proceeded to waste by spending two days afterward celebrating my birthday and hitting my shore house in Delaware and coming back to DC in time to get thrown out of my daughter's JV high school basketball team, leading up to that must-win regular season matchup. Can't imagine why the team came out flat at home after that." 

Did that all not fit in the statement? 

 

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chet9/21/2017 12:30:27 PM

'R U serious' GYPH (pun intended) get help.  There's ignorance and stupidity, but this is an unhealthy obsession.

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gyph9/21/2017 12:34:24 PM

and one more thing -- the bowie stuff isn't being condescending. It's about pointing out the number of insane people that appeared on this board to smear our university, our basketball team, which existed prior to Mike Lonergan and will continue to do so, our basketball team's history, young men playing with our colors on our team, longtime fans that disagreed with Mike Lonergan (and turned out to be 100% right) -- anyone that dared to disagree with or critique him, even prior to his formal and current player fragging him to the Washington Post -- in order to boost up Mike Lonergan at all costs. It's a completely bizarre cult of personality, and worse is that he absolutely encouraged it, continues to encourage it, and fed them information while he was coach and probably continues to do so. Which is insane. 

One of them used this board to name a young man whose only sin was pouring his heart out for our basketball team and our school as allegedly having a relationship with a University employee, for no other reason than it was the narrative out of #teambowie. 

It was disgusting. It will always be disgusting. As devout Catholics, they should have repented for it a billion times over by now. But anything for Mike Lonergan. Screw them all. 

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gw future9/21/2017 1:02:14 PM

All I can say GYPH is the following:

You told us Lonergan wouldn't see a dime ... You were wrong! Even by your own admission $800,000. But you can bet it was more than that! And that cuts you to the core doesn't it? But do yourself a favor and deal with your anger. If you don't your 43 different screen names may perish all at once.

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porter719/21/2017 1:16:08 PM

The last 3 years under ML were some of the best in the history of GW.  I don't know what dream world you guys live in, but the normal state of GW basketball is dumpster fire with 3-5 year periods of being solid (normally due to some gimmick).  You want GW to be like it was pre-Jarvis?  How about the Penders years?  Those were great.  Hobbs after the WaPo piece tied his hands in recruiting?  That was fun.  Oh, I get it, you just LOVED last years CBI run.  Best moment in basketball history.

You blast #Bowiestrong all you want, but the silliness is't coming from them anymore.  It's the people who approved of ML's firing who, for some reason, feel the need to justify their position by attacking the success that Lonergan had as a coach.  He took a medicre program that had struggle to break .500 and turned them into a team that constantly won 20 games and made the postseason tournament.  No amount of silly spin can change that. 

"I took the team to the NCAA tournament in a year where the Atlantic 10 got SIX -- SIX -- bids" --- That means the conference was good.  it is actually more of an accompishment to have a winning record when the conference is good then, say, during the Hobbs years when the conference was garbage.

"Luckily in the NIT tournament Cavanaugh decided to ignore everything I'd ever done and play to get into the NBA" - Yep, that's exactly what happened.  A guy who was an ok player on a bad ACC team somehow magically became an NBA caliber player.  All on his own!  No help at all, he just decided one day, hey...I'm going to be awesome.  No coaching was required for that to happen at all.  It was all him.

You can talk about ML being a bad guy all you want.  It's just silly to argue he isn't a good coach who didn't do a lot to help GW.  I'm hopeful that MOJO can turn into a good coach, but I wouldn't be suprised if in 5 years we are all pining for the days of the constant wins over top 25 teams and post season appearances we saw under ML.  I hope I'm wrong.

 

 

 

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bigfan9/21/2017 1:41:32 PM

Can you really post this and say you know how things work:

"High-profile attorneys do not end up not quoted in press releases announcing their clients' settlement."

Yeah, never heard of that.

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herve9/21/2017 1:45:49 PM

Look-out Matt Allbritton! Your years of thread-dominance looks like it might be coming to a close shortly on this one!

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thinker9/21/2017 1:52:59 PM

You have some well stated points Gyph. One correction, I guesstimated above a settlement of between $600 - 700K.

All of the #BowieStrong spinning requires disregarding the way that "the law," lawsuits, lawyers, lawfirms, the court system, plaintiffs and defendants, juries, negotiations, public relations, big corporations, etc work in the real world.

 

NewGWfan:

I was repeatedly on the record as being against ML from the VERY beginning including telling a number of people on this board I was opposed well prior to his hiring. I was repeatedly on the record as being critical of ML on all kinds of fronts all throughout his tenure. I never like him, his personality style, his coaching style, his flex offense, his pr sense, and the way he treated people. I was wrong about him being able to recruit well enough to win at GW and admitted that. I acknowledged that he won a lot of games and that the NIT was a big accomplishment in my eyes. I rooted for GW despite ML, but I never really enjoyed the style of play he preferred.

I never imagined that things were as bad as they turned out to be. I never imagined that he'd get fired. But I wasn't even slightly sorry that he was. GW won a lot of games under ML but I mostly didn't enjoy those wins like I would have expected to. I'd rather lose more games for a period of time under a new coach than to win games under ML once I understood how he was treating the players. Winning isn't everything and the price of winning under ML was way higher than I personally would have wanted GW to pay.

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gyph9/21/2017 2:13:25 PM

Did I say he would never see a dime? I must have been overcome with emotion. It's impossible to have a contract and get fired in this country and not receive a payout. Rutgers literally had Mike Rice on tape physically abusing his players and had ot pay out to him. The reason that article talks about how the president would not say Rice was fired "for cause" was because "for cause" would gurantee a court case, which insurers will move heaven and earth to avoid. 

It doesn't cut me to my core; he has five children and college tuition coming up and inexplciably won't let his wife be the breadwinner, so. He was always going to get something. It's the nature of these claims and the involvement of insurance. I am glad to be rid of him. 

".  I don't know what dream world you guys live in, but the normal state of GW basketball is dumpster fire with 3-5 year periods of being solid (normally due to some gimmick). "

This was the exact trajectory Longeran was on. He went to a single NCAA tournament in 2014. 2015 was an inexplicable down year. 2016 was THE year and he didn't make the tournament. He was graduating the Core Four and coming into this season with a single senior, albeit one of the best players to have ever worn the uniform. And yeah, congrats to Hadj on Tyler's regular season improvement and congrats to Tyler for his summer workouts. Do you really think the head coach works individually with any player to the extent necessary to account for Cavanaugh's improvement? And oh -- the kibosh was on DC recruiting because of Lonergan's treatment of Strickland and Nick Griffin and you know, everyone else from DC that wasn't Joe McDonald, who he absolutely mistreated. Oh, and he ran off a guy that would be a junior this year who landed with.... Butler, that noted Division 2 powerhouse. 

"I took the team to the NCAA tournament in a year where the Atlantic 10 got SIX -- SIX -- bids" --- That means the conference was good.  it is actually more of an accompishment to have a winning record when the conference is good then, say, during the Hobbs years when the conference was garbage."

Yeah, that garbage period when St. Joseph's went to the Final Four in 2003-2004 and Xavier went to the Elite Eight and that loser Sean Miller became coach.  

They took 6 bids, immediately regretted it when only 1 team made it past the first round, and we haven't sniffed more than 3 since. With at least one year of only 2 in there, and Lonergan blew it with his best players. 6 bids for the A10 isn't because it was a dominant conference, it's because the committee was sniffing glue. A 1-3 place finish in that league, year in and year out, is the only guarantee of NCAA bids and some years 3 isn't even enough. 

"Yeah, never heard of that."

Oh yeah, Scott Tompsett and John Dowd are known to loathe the media. Oh wait, they didnt' represent Lonergan in the end. Huh. 

I notice no one ever touches the total lack of preparedness before the one game that could have turned the entire 2016 season around, the game that helped keep them out of the tournament. Why is that? Is it because you can't defend why he got bombed for his birthday in the middle of the conference season? For a guy that makes his assistants not even leave the Smith Center for lunch, getting thrown out of your daughter's JV game two days before playing St. Joseph's for first place in the A10 is something. 

 

 

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gyph9/21/2017 2:18:51 PM

"but I wouldn't be suprised if in 5 years we are all pining for the days of the constant wins over top 25 teams and post season appearances we saw under ML.  I hope I'm wrong."

When was this magical era? 2005-2007? Because Lonergan made the postseason three times, if you want to count the beating at Temple in the NIT at 10 AM in 2015. Let me repeat that for those in the back: 1 NCAA, 2 NITs. That team in that garbage league when Hobbs was in charge went to NCAAs 2005-2007 and the NIT in 2004. 

Worse, the closest he came to sniffing an A10 championship, regular season or not, was 2014. With Creek and Armwood, both lightning in a bottle. 

There are a couple of hundred coaches with that record in college basketball. Just bring up his big Division III victory next for the Lonergan trifecta. 

He had a couple of good years, like every other coach that isn't Penders. Like almost every coach. 

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gyph9/21/2017 2:27:46 PM

Oh and he did do it with a "gimmick." Grad transfers are a gimmick. I guess gimmick is the new code for strategy. He had three high-profile highly successful grad transfers, all of whom he got early on, and.... then didn't.  

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gyph9/21/2017 2:37:17 PM

Keep defending how #teambowie encouraged the rampant speculation about the private lives of young men with not a single shred of proof or wrongdoing, though. It's a great look. I'm sure you still think the Catholic Church didn't move around pedophile priests -- and even if they did, the media only cared becasue they're Catholic.

BTW, if #truthmatters, not outing the coercion of relationship between two people with drastically different levels of power so you could take money is morally reprehensible. That's what #teambowie said Lonergan was, right? A whistleblower? Gotta blow the whistle to be a hero, folks. You know what whistleblowers don't do? Take settlement offers prior to any Complaints or discovery or sworn testimony. The narrative all last summer out of #teambowie was that the athletic department was a cesspit of sexual coercion and NCAA violations and Mike "Martin Luther" Lonergan only was targeted and fired for revealing it all to... no one, since he neither told the Post nor anyone else. That's what you said. That's what this was about.

Turns out in actuality he took a settlement offer and sewed his mouth shut. It's almost as if you made it all up in order to justify the worst comment in the Post article, and because you're Catholic mouthbreathers, you figured you'd paint who you thought was the gay guy as a predator, and chalk up Lonergan's homophobic comment as protection cloakes in rage. 

The young men in the Post article are the whistleblowers and the people actually worth of sympathy and praise. 

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ruserious9/21/2017 2:45:48 PM

Let's not forget Patrick Nero was at his birthday party. The guy he was trying to keep away from his players because he was so evil was invited to ML's  birthday with all of the players and his family. Nobody's ever explained that one either. 

My estimate on the settlement is 500k and not a penny more. And I can't even begin to imagine what he paid in legal fees. 

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gw future9/21/2017 2:45:56 PM

Wow not only is GYPH unglued but turns out he is a anti-Catholic bigot as well. I'm sniffing a big settlement for Lonergan given how quickly GYPH has gone off the rails.  He is one angry MFer. I don't imagine a small settlement would evoke such rage. 

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gw future9/21/2017 2:49:49 PM

RUSerious also told us Lonergan wouldn't get a dime. Now he says $500,000. That's 5,000,000 dimes. I guess it's just a small error lol. But amazing he would try to come here and comment after being so full of shit. 

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gyph9/21/2017 2:51:26 PM

I am definitely anti-Catholics using their religion as an excuse for hatred and mouthbreathing. I missed that day in Catholic school. 

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ruserious9/21/2017 2:52:55 PM

No, I always said if they settled it would be around 500,000.  I didn't think he was going to settle this quickly though.  I knew at the end of the day he wouldn't go through with a lawsuit, though. No way he would want that report to come out. 

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porter9/21/2017 2:53:34 PM

St. Josephs never went to a final four.

The A-10 was a one bid league in 2005 and a 2 bid league in 2006 and 2007.  Outside of Xavier, the conference was down during GW's 3 year NCAA tournament run.

2 teams got out of the first round that year, not 1.  And one of those teams made the elite 8.

There were 3 A-10 teams in tournament each of the last 3 years. 

Prince Harry would be a senior this year, not a junior.  Also, as I remember correctly, most people on this board wanted to run him off the team as well.  Remember how there was not way a player like him could end up at Butler.  I remember that.

 

If you are going to try to refute my argument with facts, at least try to get your facts right.  You were wrong on almost every account. 

Also, since your reading comprehension is terrible, I stated that the last three years under ML were a good run where we beat Top 25 teams and made the post season.  I don't know where the Hobbs reference comes from.  Are you denying that we beat Viriginia and WSU?  Are you denying we made the postseason those years?

 

Nobody is saying that ML is John Wooden.  But he wasn't a terrible coach, no matter how much you want to wish it so.

 

 

 

 

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porter719/21/2017 2:58:09 PM

"He had three high-profile highly successful grad transfers"

He had one - Creek.  Armwood and TC were regular transfers.  Again, facts are not your strong suit. 

 

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gw future9/21/2017 2:59:18 PM

RUSerious that last post doesn't pass the laugh test. So that wasn't you posting here earlier this Spring asking why hasn't Lonergan filed a lawsuit and concluding it was because he had no case. Now you are surprised 6 months later he settled so quickly. ROTFLMAO.

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gw future9/21/2017 3:01:54 PM

Porter71 they have as much trouble with getting Lonergan's coaching record correct as they do remembering what they told us about how Lonergan wouldn't get a dime. 

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gw future9/21/2017 3:06:21 PM

Please tell us GYPH what Catholicism has to do with this other than Lonergan being Catholic? Was Catholicism ever asserted as a justification or defense? Your bigotry is out there for everyone to see. Been to Charlottesville lately? The KKK doesn't like Pope or Catholics either.

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gyph9/21/2017 3:07:01 PM

So only 1 of the 6 teams in 2014 is a totally normal thing that happens in the A10 all the time, so finishing 4-6 means NCAA bids coming from the rafters. Got it. 

I never said he was a terrible coach. Sorry for confusing the Elite Eight and the Final Four but I'm surrounded by St. Joseph's fans a lot and you'd never know there was a difference, so. Amazingly, they also think that Phil Martelli should be fired, so. 

Ok -- transfers are a gimmick, which we already establishes is apparently the new word for strategy. And Creek was a flier -- he easily could have gotten injured. He performed beyond everyone's widlest dreams and didn't. 

Lonergan is not a god. That's the point. His recruting had fallen and he poisoned the DC AAU waters. He absolutely did climb out of the hole he was in the first two years. He had a great year, then an inexplicable down year made less inexplicable by the Washington Post (McDonald/Guarino/Larsen) were juniors, not freshman), then a coompletely inexplicable down year made ENTIRELY not inexplicably by the Washington Post and by the eyes of anyone that you know, watched the games, and then got fired. 

I know the Lonergan-worshipers First Commandment is Thou Shall Not Believe The Conference Season Is Important but you know, IT IS. And he was routintely outcoached by Mooney and McKilltop and Martelli. 

 

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gyph9/21/2017 3:12:24 PM

Please tell us GYPH what Catholicism has to do with this other than Lonergan being Catholic?

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Because it's the reason that in your panic over the homophobic comment in the Post that was directly quoted by Kilgore and attributed to like, 6 sources, that you went with the "gay predator preying on his players is why he was so mad" defense. You had to explain why Saint Lonergan would do such a thing and instead of writing it off as "locker-room talk" or that he didn't mean it like that, he just meant he didnt' know why the AD wanted the tapes, and it's a turn of phrase, you went with: Saint Lonergan was protecting his players from a sexual predator. A leap of logic that also explains why #teambowie is also big believers in Pizzagate and Planned Parenthood selling baby parts. 

That's why. 

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gyph9/21/2017 3:12:56 PM

And yeah, actually, Lonergan being a devout Catholic and family man was cited as a defense of him approximately a thousand times. 

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porter719/21/2017 3:14:30 PM

I just read your Catholic comments.  This conversation is over.

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gyph9/21/2017 3:19:15 PM

Is that a promise? This is the best day on the history of this board. I would have pointed out the obvious so much sooner. 

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gw future9/21/2017 3:28:47 PM

It's actually a sad day for GW Hoops that we have such an anti-Catholic bigot in our midst. 

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gyph9/21/2017 3:40:19 PM

Nah, it'll never compare to the hot summer day that #teambowie spent on this board breathlessly speculating about the sexual acts committed and name of a player accused of being in a same-sex relationship with a man in a position of authority over him, based on absolutely nothing. And then the big reveal just happened to be a player that bedeviled Lonergan for years, that Lonergan could never seem to unlock, that Lonergan spent multiple press conferences complaining about, who wouldn't strike back. 

A coordinated attempt at protecting Saint Lonergan at the expense of a sweet kid, led by a desperately stupid man who also tweeted the same theory at every journalist who said the name Lonergan for months, in between tweeting about Notre Dame football, Colin Kaepernick, the Washington football team (wholehearted support, of course), DeMatha basketball, Pizzagate, etc. 

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long suffering fan9/21/2017 3:52:45 PM

Hate to see intelligent discourse on the settlement break down to this...but isn't this how all of our discussions end?  I find it facinating how passionate people can be on one side or another without actually knowing the facts or anything close to the entire story.  

Without knowing the settlement, I can tell you how a disputed contract claim can result in a "settlement" for the full value of the contract...when there is a potential counterclaim on the table and that counterclaim has some merit (meaning settlement value).  Remember...settlements involve mutual releases, not just one side.

As for the criticism of ML's lack of success because he only went to 1 NCAA tournament and 2 NITs (winning it once) over 5 years...some arguments are just too dumb to merit a further response.    To those folks, I will say enjoy the upcoming obsecurity of the program over the next few years...I for one am going to hate it.

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gyph9/21/2017 4:21:37 PM

I don't ever know how we shall rebuilt to the heights of 10-8 in conference play, finishing in a three-way tie for 6th. I pine for thee, 11-7 in A-10 play -- that was the year you moved to the lofty heights of 5th. Oh, to be 5-11 in conference again; 7-9, and, finally -- 11-5. I hardly knew thee, Mike Lonergan, when we finished.... 10-8, even without you! Somehow! Some way! 

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gw future9/21/2017 4:29:23 PM

Can anyone help GYPH? He has unresolved anger issues that are beyond this board's capabilities to help. Perhaps a recommendation of a few good therapists here will set GYPH on a path that will improve his anger-filled life. Call it a mitzvah on this day of Rosh Hashanah.

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gyph9/21/2017 4:38:28 PM

Don't need a psych degree to know projection when I see it. By the way -- why is it ok if Pete Rose slept with that underage girl if she looked 18 but your sordid little GW fantasy wasn't? Anyway, go Raiders. I'm sure you prefer Rangers, though. 

gw future9/21/2017 5:15:28 PM

Ok it was partially a joke at first but with each passing post, I am beginning to fear for Mike Lonergan and his family's safety. The disjointed and wild nonsensical ramblings of GYPH speak of somebody who is in a very bad place. I am being very serious here. GYPH, I don't know who you are but for your sake I truly hope you get the help you need before you hurt yourself or someone else.

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bo knows9/21/2017 5:21:56 PM

Obviously my suggestion earlier went over like a lead balloon. Sometimes, I truly feel like we get what we deserve at GW. I am sure Marcus who attends Neumann-Goretti will be thrilled with your Catholic bashing GYPH. Also, GW Future, stop egging him on - he obviously has issues. Don't pour gasoline on the fire.

Note to Marcus: Ignore GYPH, he is not representative of the GW fanbase and in fact may even be an outside agitator looking to see GW fail. 

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gyph9/21/2017 5:29:49 PM

Newman-Goretti doesn't teach their students that if they are Catholic they're allowed to bash gay people. Because it's not actually Catholic teaching. Because you're a bad Catholic if you do it. In fact, the mayor of Philadelphia is famously a fan of Newman-Goretti and he's a, y'know, liberal. As are all good Catholics. GW Future knows all about Philadelphia and Newman-Goretti and the mayor. 

Anyway, I can promise that Mike Lonergan has nothing to fear from little ol'me, and I'm not the one that spends my days on my Twitter account endlessly tweeting at radio show hosts that don't respond to me, playing off my father's name, getting told off by Feinstein for defending Rose, tweeting Jon Rothstein and Rod Dauster the sexual deviant/coverup theory, defending Penn State, etc. That would be you, SB. 

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nj colonial9/21/2017 5:36:37 PM

As a Catholic, I see read no Catholic-bashing here.  You guys need to calm down and stop focusing on a former coach and make GW and our current team and coach the priority now.

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gw future9/21/2017 5:37:43 PM

Who the hell is SB?

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rich maier9/21/2017 5:41:27 PM

NJ, nice post. We're talking about a guy who has nothing to do with GW. Amazing Bigfan, MV and LSF. GW after investigating found ML unfit to be coach and that's why he was fired. He disgraced the program. I could care less if he gets another coaching job. 

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gw future9/21/2017 5:42:15 PM

Are you blind NJ Colonial? Seriously. Catholic mouth breathers??? What does Catholicism have to with any of this? This is not a Catholic school. I wonder what the reaction would be if GYPH substituted Jews or Blacks for the word Catholic. Give me a break and I'm not even Catholic.

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gyph9/21/2017 5:45:11 PM

Yeah, you're just a regular old non-Catholic right wing conseravtive who spends his days denouncing Catholic bashing on Atlantic 10 basketball message boards. You're definitely not a graduate of CUA who is bons05 on twitter. You just sound exactly like him and rail on the same stuff, and are obessed with the same things including Mike Lonergan blowing the whistle on sordid sexual goingson in GW athletics. 

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gyph9/21/2017 5:46:37 PM

Replying to 

The Media & the left does what they want when they want - the Obama Anti-Catholic regime stays in line - absolutely disgusting

rich maier9/21/2017 5:47:02 PM

Bo, just want to add GW Future definitely does not represent most people here. 

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gyph9/21/2017 5:50:52 PM

I would say a middle-aged Catholic CUA graduate furiously defending Trump and Arpaio tweeting All Lives Matter is not representive of the average GW student, no. 

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gyph9/21/2017 5:56:27 PM

https://twitter.com/bons05/status/893291778782220288

 

A spirited defense of Pete Rose with master of moral relativism GW Future, with a cameo by John Feinstein saying that yes, people would still be angry at Pete Rose if he slept with an 16 year old and the age of consent was 18 and he thought she was 18, when he was 34 and married. 

the dude9/21/2017 5:58:45 PM

Rich, NJ, Doc, others, well said.

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once an eagle9/21/2017 6:27:03 PM

Bons05, real name is Steven Bonavita. 

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gw future9/21/2017 6:49:57 PM

Who is Steve Bonavita? Sorry don't know him. Good luck finding him.

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gyph is scared9/21/2017 6:51:21 PM

Making things up and distorting facts to try to keep focus off the truth. Tompsett was a part of ML’s legal team and helped make him a happy man. GYPH is shaking in his boots after reading comments under Wash Post article and on social media and is desperate to protect ....

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porter719/21/2017 6:58:51 PM

FWIW....I am a Catholic and was offended, which is why I stopped engaging.  I know he wasn't talking about me, but was attacking GW Future because he thinks it is some other dude who is friends with ML (or that is my guess, it's hard to follow what is going on here).  However, it is pretty messed up to use religion as means to attack people we disagree with.  I thought  everyone, especially those who were legitamately upset by the types of comments ML made, would agree with that sentiment.  I thought we were above that as a university.  I guess not.  As long as they are on your side of the argument, offensiveness doesn't really matter.

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gyph9/21/2017 7:15:41 PM

Come on, Steve, just give it up with the Lonergan's troll army stuff. 

I know those of you in Brookland think everyone at GW is Jewish but alas, sometimes Catholics also sneak in. And since we're all Catholic you know exactly what I was talking about. 

Tompsett was definitely not part of Lonergan's "legal team", which was a guy recently made partner at a boutique shop that sounds like it's trying to specialize in defamation, but also wants to keep the lights on all the time with litigation, staffed with former Kirkland Ellis lawyers. Tompsett could have gotten a referral fee if he handed off the case but it sounds more like he got fired/fired Lonergan, from the Feinstein article that states that Lonergan hired Andy Phillips in February. No fee for Tompsett in that case. 

Clarke Locke is not exactly adverse to publicity and somehow, their representation of Lonergan is nowhere to be found on their website. 

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gyph9/21/2017 7:20:21 PM

And like, half of the comments on the Post article are..... bons05, Facebook friend of both Lonergan and his wife, and CUA grad. With the same ramblings and the same comments about sexual predators he used on Twitter. The additional bonus of some of it coming from this board, in the same wording, with the same breathless delivery. 

 

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bigfan9/21/2017 7:41:31 PM

Something is triggering GYPH, resulting in offensive comments and non-sequitirs (Joe Arpaio?).

You're going nuts over inferences, yet you say these things outright.

Maybe wrog, but don't recall a GYPH before this, so if you must post, keep it civil. Wouldn't hurt to stick to the topic at hand, either.

But seriously, not appropriate to bring religion into it, especially since it hasn't come up in any of the factors on this.

 

gyph9/21/2017 8:12:58 PM

oh god a big fan sermon. 

I've posted here before. You've sermonized to you before. Your sermons only go in one direction though, and certainly didn't go in the direction of gross speculation about sex and coercion and attempted outings of young men. You actually encouraged Lonergan's little troll army to speculate in fact -- I think you actually called it hearing both sides. 

Like everyone else on this board I'll go ahead and say whatever I want. 

 

 

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once an eagle9/21/2017 8:22:33 PM

Big fan stop encouraging the trolls you are the only one who seems fooled by them. These GW hating clowns need to go. Get a clue. You were about the loudest critic of ML. If you miss him so bad you can visit him right now he is  folding towels in a basement gym in Bowie. 

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bobo9/21/2017 8:48:20 PM

"Catholic mouth-breathers' is a slur and  bigoted statement. Those types of comments have no place on this board.

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gyph9/21/2017 8:55:36 PM

Yeah, but speculation about sexual predators and gay men was 100% ok. Catholic mouthbreathers isn't even a slur. Papist is a slur. Papist rabble is a slur. For the record, I mean that the mouthbreathers were also Catholic, but who cares? Papists. Anyway: 

Keep defending how #teambowie encouraged the rampant speculation about the private lives of young men with not a single shred of proof or wrongdoing, though. It's a great look. I'm sure you still think the Catholic Church didn't move around pedophile priests -- and even if they did, the media only cared becasue they're Catholic.

BTW, if #truthmatters, not outing the coercion of relationship between two people with drastically different levels of power so you could take money is morally reprehensible. That's what #teambowie said Lonergan was, right? A whistleblower? Gotta blow the whistle to be a hero, folks. You know what whistleblowers don't do? Take settlement offers prior to any Complaints or discovery or sworn testimony. The narrative all last summer out of #teambowie was that the athletic department was a cesspit of sexual coercion and NCAA violations and Mike "Martin Luther" Lonergan only was targeted and fired for revealing it all to... no one, since he neither told the Post nor anyone else. That's what you said. That's what this was about.

Turns out in actuality he took a settlement offer and sewed his mouth shut. It's almost as if you made it all up in order to justify the worst comment in the Post article, and because you're Catholic mouthbreathers, you figured you'd paint who you thought was the gay guy as a predator, and chalk up Lonergan's homophobic comment as protection cloakes in rage. 

The young men in the Post article are the whistleblowers and the people actually worth of sympathy and praise. 

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gw future9/21/2017 10:04:02 PM

GYPH still off the rails must be on a major bender. Rambling posts and non sequitors, bigotry, repetition for hours now. Must have found out the settlement was a wee bit larger than good old GYPH thought. I'm just laughing at you now. Check out Lonergan's Facebook page. There are dozens of GW folks openly supporting him that probably have never been to Bowie. The only question for you is which one is me.

 

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danjsport9/21/2017 10:04:54 PM

stop!!!!!!!!!!

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nj colonial9/21/2017 10:29:06 PM

For the love of GW... give it a rest. Move on!!!

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once an eagle9/21/2017 11:08:22 PM

Bigoted Bobo voted for Trump. All worked up about a comment here but the actual bigot ex coach or President non plussed about them. 

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gw future9/21/2017 11:20:21 PM

Another day another name but the tired song is the same. One thing is consistent though they have no decency and no shame.  It must really suck to be you GYPH and Once an Eagle.

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bobo9/22/2017 1:00:40 AM

Sorry, Eagle, didn't vote for the current President. 

Don't know if GYPH is a bigot but to call people "Catholic mouth-beathers" is 100% a bigoted comment and has no place either on this board or anywhere else in polite society.

GYPH should be ashamed of his words and appologize to the board. 

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the dude9/22/2017 2:43:37 AM

Since ML is getting piled on pretty good here, I'll say a few things I think ought to be included:

1. ML's 2012 HS recruiting class is as good as it gets at GW.  It makes the output of his subsequent HS recruiting classes all the more dissapointing, but that 2012 class was so good it built a core of winning teams that endurred 3 seasons/

2. As a Strategist, I was a strong believer.  I liked the offensive system, not exciting to watch, but strategically smart imo. Thought the 1-3-1 defense also a key component.  Stategically, high marks.

3. I don't know who is doing this trolling on his behalf, but it reflects very poorly on him.  However, absent any evidence, its just wrong to say its his wife. Best I could tell, his hoops obsessed, fierecely devoted better half, is indeed just that, his better half. 

4. The first 2 seasons included a lot of losing, but the turnaround by year 3 was rapid and brilliant.

I've said all of these things many times in the past, but I'll reiterate them now.  I think the board would be vastly better if people were not wedged into these dumb, artificial "All Pro or All Anti ___" caricature viewpoints.

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