RECRUIT: DARIAN BRYANT
Created: 8/1/2013 1:43:27 PMReplies: 190
Position: small forward
School: St John's
8/1/2013 1:43:27 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
2014 St. John's College (DC) SF Darian Bryant is expected to visit George Washington today
8/2/2013 10:44:29 PM - BC - 1,645 posts (#20)
When did ST John's Colledge move from Annapolis?
8/3/2013 4:01:58 AM - CJSFan - 4 posts (#248)
BC: I think the post is referring to St. John's College High School, a Catholic private prep school located in Washington, D.C. -- as in Gonzaga's main rival. It is a military type school with a good academic reputation.
BTW, I went to the Verbal Commits link and while he did visit GW, he has not verbally committed to GW and his tweets do nothing more than mention his official visit to GW. A lot of schools have made scholarship offers to him but no powerhouse and GW is not listed as having made an offer.
8/22/2013 1:48:42 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
8/22/2013 2:17:17 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
FYI, he visited Towson after GW.
“Bryant (6-4) is a glue guy for St. John’s, a big-bodied wing who knows how to use his weight and finish at the rim. He showed some surprising explosiveness for a kid of his size. He rebounds the ball, makes good passes, and can hit the occasional mid-range jumper. He can continue to develop into a low Division I prospect.”–MarylandHoops.net 12/2/12
Darien Bryant | 6-5 | Team Takeover Orange (DC) | 2014
Bryant shot 6-of-7 from the free throw line and totaled 15 in Team Takeover’s second round win over the Baltimore Supreme’s. Over the first two days of the tournament, Bryant’s play was a key to Takeover getting to the Sweet 16.
8/22/2013 7:07:13 PM - Florida Colonial - 562 posts (#45)
8/22/2013 7:24:39 PM - Long Suffering Fan - 4,106 posts (#5)
8/22/2013 7:27:03 PM - 184.108.40.206
If he's good enough for the coaching staff, he's good enough for me ILWT
8/22/2013 7:29:09 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
I'm with Blank. Welcome Darian!
8/22/2013 7:30:09 PM - herve - 9,159 posts (#1)
Bull Part II. That's going to be one rugged, physical backcourt!
8/22/2013 7:35:27 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Fourth Team Takeover player to commit to GW.
8/22/2013 7:45:08 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
8/22/2013 8:06:48 PM - Florida Colonial - 562 posts (#45)
8/22/2013 8:10:56 PM - ziik - 2,950 posts (#9)
Nice to see us take local and sustainable seriously. We can always spice it up with internationals, and returning transfers.
8/22/2013 8:27:48 PM - LA Fan - 1,525 posts (#22)
Just keep going global and local.
8/22/2013 8:31:13 PM - NewGWFan - 510 posts (#49)
This kid looks thick. That's a good thing.
8/22/2013 8:36:46 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Looking at some of the Youtube video, he's a poor man's bonzie colson (without the 7-foot wingspan). Played the post for most of the clips. The O'Connell game (WCAC final) is a good one to watch.
8/22/2013 9:12:26 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
8/22/2013 10:16:38 PM - Free Quebec - 6,340 posts (#2)
Wow, that is a big kid for someone still in HS. If we can get any shot blocking to replace Armwood,we are going to be a bad ass defensive team for a while to come. JoeMac, Bull, Kethan, and "Jelly" will be as tough, physical a backcourt as you will see - not to mention sticky Garino locking down the opposing best player. Opposing guards are not going to like playing us.
8/23/2013 5:39:34 AM - Thomas - 1,146 posts (#29)
St.John's will have one of their best teams in several years this year and may start the year ranked #1 in the D.C. area. I'd expect that they will be in a number of high profile local and national games, in addition to the great teams they will face in the WCAC, so Darian Bryant will be getting a lot of coverage this year. Also more GW fans will be able to watch him play in person since his high school is close to GW.
8/23/2013 7:32:19 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Thomas, would've hated to see him "blow up" in front of national TV crowds and wish that he'd committed earlier.
8/23/2013 7:57:38 AM - Free Quebec - 6,340 posts (#2)
The second coming of Carl Elliot?
That clip aside, watching the clips, he reminded me a bit of Reggie Evans from St. Louis, or, less optimisticlly, Isiaih Fillmore of Xavier (via Towson).
8/23/2013 9:12:29 AM - wax daddy - 193 posts (#110)
8/23/2013 9:28:32 AM - Thomas - 1,146 posts (#29)
BM, it's going to be interesting to see whether Darian Bryant does "blow up" and emerge as the leader/best player for a loaded St.John squad. Some of the tweets about Darian Bryant signing with GW mentioned that St.John's now has 4 seniors who have committed to colleges and they have a 5th senior who will almost certainly sign with a mid-major or high major at some point. St.John's also has some highly touted underclassmen as well.
Darian Bryant is almost in a similar situation to Kethan Savage during his SR year at Episcopal because K.Savage played with a fellow senior who came into the year with a lot more hype than him, but K.Savage ended up being the standout player for Episcopal. If D.Bryant does end up as the leading scorer and/or receives the most postseason accolades for St.John's this year, it will just be more evidence of Mike Lonergan and his staff's great ability to identify talented players who may overlooked by a lot of schools.
8/23/2013 9:51:56 AM - The MV - 4,915 posts (#4)
Looks like he could be Kevin Larsen's younger brother. Seems like a great young man. Welcome to GW Darian.
8/23/2013 9:53:27 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
I know we have been linked with Tay Holston and, to a lesser extent, Darian Anderson too. Their problem last season was the lack of a true post player. Don't know if they added a big for next season or if Bryant will have to play out of position again.
8/23/2013 10:31:28 AM - Thomas - 1,146 posts (#29)
BM, Darian Anderson is the 5th senior I was talking about. What was GW's interest level in him? D.Anderson played very well as a freshman and sophomore at St.John's and looked to be on track for a lots of college offers, he may have regressed a bit last year as a JR. Allante Holston transferred from St.John's after last season, is GW still recruiting him? I know there was a 'recruits' thread on Holston a little while back(and maybe one for D.Anderson too), but forgot the what was said about his recruitment
8/23/2013 10:34:16 AM - DEA - 1,465 posts (#24)
Can we stop saying every player is the "2nd coming of Carl Elliott"? No offense FQ as you are certainly not the only one who's said it but it seems like every other player we get is compared to Carl. I don't know much about this signing but he seems like a nice player. Wish we could pick up a big guy though.
8/23/2013 11:54:40 AM - Poog - 3,875 posts (#6)
His girth alone is reminiscent of Elliott. Nothing wrong with drawing that comparison as a point of reference. Just hope people remember how much Carl was maligned by so many during his first two years.
8/23/2013 12:07:24 PM - Free Quebec - 6,340 posts (#2)
DEA, I'm guessing you didn't click on the link.
No, he is obviously not the second coming of Carl Elliot. He's not even a PG. click on the link and you will understand my joke.
8/23/2013 12:43:15 PM - Long Suffering Fan - 4,106 posts (#5)
I don't see the similarity. With Carl's half court buzzer beater, he was closer to the sideline. Darian's half court shot is from the center of the court.
8/23/2013 12:50:53 PM - bobo - 3,178 posts (#8)
8/23/2013 1:24:37 PM - Florida Colonial - 562 posts (#45)
8/23/2013 1:26:07 PM - bobo - 3,178 posts (#8)
Maybe I'm missing something on Bryant but I think this is a head scratcher at this point. SG that doesn't shoot that well. Report says that he can "hit the occational mid-range jumper". Darian "Jelly" Bryant doesn't look fast or particularly athletic either. He is big and strong. The video showed him working out hard and trying to improve his quickness and speed as well as his ball handling and outside shooting. Says he's a hard worker. Maybe he improves all those aspects of his game and he becomes a much better player than he is right now.
But since GW has Bull for next year anyways, why Bryant? Any thoughts from those that know?
8/23/2013 1:53:37 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Congrats to St. John's HS(DC) SF Darian Bryant '14 on GWU commitment. Dad, Artie should be proud for work they put in together # QualityKid
8/23/2013 2:00:36 PM - The MV - 4,915 posts (#4)
Somewhat reminiscent (build) of an old Mike Lonergan favorite...Chester "cheese" Wood.
8/23/2013 2:01:45 PM - SJC alum - 1 posts (#251)
Darian is a tremendous outside shooter who has been working hard to tighten up his body. He will be a good player in the A10 just like his sister Dominique was at SJU!
8/23/2013 2:14:06 PM - newtman - 1,361 posts (#25)
Darian, welcome to GW. good luck on the court and with your studies.
8/23/2013 2:19:36 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
bobo, based on nothing, I would say that Bull, playing on a prep team with all American bigs, got his points driving to the basket from the outside. I don't think he had much of an outside game. Bryant seems to be more of a spot-up shooter from all ranges. Haven't seen enough of them on D to make a comparison there.
8/23/2013 2:20:18 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
8/23/2013 2:28:12 PM - ziik - 2,950 posts (#9)
And, he may still be growing. His good size may become great size.
8/23/2013 2:31:44 PM - Thomas - 1,146 posts (#29)
bobo, it could be a situation in which Mike Lonergan sees great potential in a guy who is overlooked by everyone else. The recruit info you posted about Darian Bryant doesn't look very favorable about his prospects(not ranked at all and not given a grade) and the list of schools who offered him(Jacksonville, Quinnipiac, Loyola-MD, Radford, Rider,Towson) is a bit underwhelming, but I would trust the judgement of M.Lonergan and his staff for identifying under-the-radar guys like D.Bryant. I don't think a lot of us would be surprised at all if he ended up having a big SR year on this loaded St.John's squad and have the 'Big Boys' wondering how they missed out on a player like D.Bryant.
8/23/2013 6:27:43 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
8/23/2013 6:50:35 PM - JAE - 200 posts (#106)
"I just fell in love with GW when I visited. I love the school, the atmosphere. it's just a great fit for me."
8/23/2013 7:18:51 PM - 220.127.116.11
I have likewise been underwhelmed with the resume of Bryant, as I have been with Griffin and Cartegena. Beginning with this season, with Griffin and Cartegena, we will see if ML truly sees high quality recruits where others don't (ala Nigel Johnson) , or if ML is simply a hard working but lousy recruiter.
8/23/2013 9:16:24 PM - 18.104.22.168
Read the posts in the Nigel thread after he verballed, he had an "underwhelming" resume too until he blew up and everyone cried when he went to KSt.
8/23/2013 9:38:02 PM - Long Suffering Fan - 4,106 posts (#5)
the first unnamed poster was me.
8/23/2013 11:42:01 PM - Free Quebec - 6,340 posts (#2)
LSF, doesn't Bryant remind you of Isiaih Philmore? He is/was kind of an undersized inside guy. Physical enough to score around the basket against a lot of D1 competition, but not tall enough for the big boys - or most of the A-10 - to offer him,.
I believe he went to Towson, but after doing well there transferred to Xavier, where he was a solid player for them last year. I don't think he's great, and frankly, he's slighly below what we are used to seeing at X, but he's a solid role player there who definitely contributes and occasionally has big games for them.
From the clips I saw, Bryant looks like Philmore, but with more of an outside shot and (hopefully a better handle). I don't know if he's quite as tough around the basket (espeically on the offensive glass where Philmore cleans up), but he certainly looks like a tough, physical player and Iliked his body control around the baket on some of those clips.
If his jumper and agility improve, we could have a Dwayne Evans on our hands, but even if not, I would gladly settle for an Isiaih Philmore off the bench.
8/24/2013 8:57:07 AM - 22.214.171.124
I hear your argument and Bryant might be underated, but do we really need another shooting guard on top of Savage, Bull and Johson especially when we only have one more scholarship to give and no bigs commited?
8/24/2013 9:56:53 AM - Tuna Can - 1,661 posts (#19)
I like the Dwayne Smith comparison--with a bit of Carl Elliott's passing--Thomas is right that this is a glue guy who can also get you double digits. Like Dwayne, you can't leave him open. In 2 to 3 years, like Dwayne, he will give you 6 to 8 points in the paint. He will in 2 to 3 years be a Lonergan 3 who scores; drives people nuts with backcuts and brings people into the game with nice assists.
I never really saw a bad Smith, but only one who didn't completely get the way that the offense would find him points and as the senior season wore on that gap of understanding just seemed to go away. He toiled hard for us even as the Freshmen took their lumps.
herve's point is well-taken in that somewhere in their 5, we will grind one of their guards down and murder them going to the rim--don't forget to add in JoeMac in that he is truly way stronger than folks give him credit. In high school he would sometimes guard the 5. Of course, herve's real point was on D but it will work at both ends.
Look for us to play smaller starting a bit next year but bigger focus in 14/16--Lonergan with speed stuff up with 3-guard and a guy like Garino or even Swan filling in at 4. (toss McCoy in there as well) -- the good mechanics and effort will play a role in making this work. It also makes it clear why we have the player mix coming in. Griffin and Cartagena are classic outside snipers who have to really develop as ball handlers to get on the floor. Joe can slide to 2 in the flex. With this season, we also have Creek to play that 3rd guard who will be catching the ball in scoring positions and either dropping a 2 or finding Larsen, Garino, or Armwood for an even better option.
To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, you coach the team that you have and last year, that's what Lonergan and the staff did. We also are starting to see player development that is needed to take that next step. The players are evolving and the team tactics will evolve as well (IMHO)
8/24/2013 10:12:11 AM - ziik - 2,950 posts (#9)
I think you're old enough, Tuna. Jelly looks like, and plays like, another local product at GW--Garland Pinkston, recently discussed on this very site.
He doesn't seem to have much quickness, but he seems like he can make the shot, grab the rebound, and throw the pass that keeps the team moving.
ML seems to be building a team that's greater than the sum of its parts.
8/24/2013 11:45:27 AM - The MV - 4,915 posts (#4)
The comparison that FQ made was to Dwayne Evans, not Dwayne Smith. Evans is listed I believe at 6' 6" and Philmore might be right around there or perhaps an inch or two bigger. Evans is an absolute beast, a rare breed as far as I'm concerned. Very capable of knocking down shots as well as pounding it down low. Darian was first mentioned as being 6' 5" and then the Post write-up said 6' 3". This is my chief concern. Many a 6' 4"ish high school player dominated in high school by being among the biggest players in their leagues. The video shows Darian hitting some outside shots but to be candid, these didn't look like pure shots (see Griffin, Nick) and were more like line drives that went in. If Darian's game is predacated on finding ways to score down low, I'd be very nervous (see Alexander, Xavier). The bigger guys at the college level make it extremely difficult to succeed this way.
That all said, I am not about to start pigeonholing any played based on 5 minutes of video. Here's to hoping that Darian has a productive, improved and healthy senior season.
8/24/2013 12:54:18 PM - Tuna Can - 1,661 posts (#19)
The Comparison made by Tuna was made by Tuna--the allusion of his potential value was also made to me in private by a local coach. I understand that some people watch but don't see. The dangerous scorers can set up loads of 5 to 10 foot shots. GW is loading up with guys like that and those are the shots that make Lonergan's offense trouble for other teams. Those shots will get you consistent scores or send you to the line or both. They also compliment and open up 3-point shooters. One must learn to project an athlete a couple of years down the road to know their impact -- also you have to see the method to the madness in Lonergan's signings.This "concerned" and do or die stuff is without too much basis for a coach that is showing an ability to get into really good local programs and earn credibility with their coaches and get guys. There are a number of reasonable comments here--in herve we should trust
8/24/2013 10:24:12 PM - CPots - 486 posts (#54)
At this point, it's tough to believe Bryant is anything but a project. The strong work ethic should make him a solid role player down the line.
With the last two available scholarships lets hope Lonergan is swinging for the fences with some bigs.
8/25/2013 7:43:17 AM - formerly boston pops - 338 posts (#70)
gotta agree with you cpots. and if we can't land them, keep them for the following year.
you gotta love the Post. they made the article more about Towson's player than ours and suddenly Bryant is 6'3" where he appears everywhere else as 6'4" or 6'5. even if bryant really is only 6'3 when else does the Post ever try to get something right about GW.
what i liked about bryant is he seems good at using his body to create space for his shot which he then shoots as a fadeaway.
8/29/2013 8:11:11 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
11/5/2013 9:30:53 PM - GW Fan - 509 posts (#50)
11/13/2013 4:36:52 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
As noted elsewhere, was at GW/Maine game. This from a couple of weeks ago...
@CoreyPegram 29 Oct
Takeaway from yesterday at St. John's (DC). Darian Bryant will have a productive career at George Washington. Skilled, strong and smart
11/13/2013 10:16:18 PM - Mike K - 1,177 posts (#28)
St. Johns (DC) 2014's Tre Campbell, James Palmer, Mike Morsell, Darian Anderson, Darian Bryant, James Mitchell signing LOIs Thursday at 3pm
11/14/2013 4:43:19 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
11/14/2013 4:59:39 PM - Mike K - 1,177 posts (#28)
11/14/2013 6:50:33 PM - CJS Fan - 195 posts (#108)
Good God, Mike K. When you wrote the phrase "he's on the far right" in your post, I did not know you were referring to a lineup. At first I thought you meant he was a devotee of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity or even voted for Cuccinelli.
11/14/2013 7:26:02 PM - FredD - 598 posts (#42)
Wow! 3 guys from respected programs. 2 local. Being from private schools MAY help with the adjustment to GW as a whole. Really makes me wonder what happens when lose Zeke's ferocity and ability to play big. One scholie left right? Looks like a fine class
11/17/2013 10:55:41 PM - GOAT - 6 posts (#246)
A lot of post on here are questioning DB's game and why GW picked him up. DB has an awesome game and will dominate. No, he is no Kobe Bryant or Kevin Garnet coming out of high school but who is? Those type players dont come very often. Darian plays a very controlled and coachable game, with no doubt he could take over a game a light up the score board up; however, he is a team player and is coachable (meaning most of the time he sticks with the play and shares the ball). Darian understands the game and the floor, of course there is a list of others that may seem to better or more atheletic; however, are they coachable and do they understand the game and the floor? Do they understand the importance of rotating the ball and the consequences of it, no they dont, most of those players care about self and would come down and jack a shot up with 25 seconds remaining on the shot clock. GW made a smart move by picking up DB, coachable kid and coach right and developed correctly he will prosper deep into his basketball career. Bobo; Strength, speed and quickness can be developed; ball playing skill and understanding the game on the college level is too late to develop generally speaking. DB will shine just watch. Lastly, check the age on some of these kids... there is a little secret nowaday called redshirting or holding kids back a grade or even two grades!!!!!!! so by the time they are seniors in high school they will more than likely be smarter, bigger, stronger and faster than there peers. Darian is 17 and is at the grade appropriate level, 12th, check some of the competition.... 19 years olds and even 20 years olds... Most of the time here is how that plays out... those kids that are intentionally held back early on in high school,.... get to the college level and dont make it because they are now facing 24 year olds that are much bigger stronger and faster than they are; however, they looked good in high school when they were 19-20 years old playing against 16 and 17 year olds... watch DB prosper
11/17/2013 11:58:03 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Considering ML's recruiting track record at GW, I have no reason to doubt that Darian will develop into something nice. It has taken/will take a couple of years for some of the other recruits to come on to their own. I guess it's a fan's god-given right to demand the instant starter, but not the reality. At least not at our current level.
11/18/2013 1:18:47 AM - GOAT - 6 posts (#246)
The biggest issue that I have witnessed from ballers in the DMV are injuries... Players fail to let their bodies rest/recover during the off season and fail to hit the weight room/pool to recondition their bodies. They play all year, which will eat your body up and make you more injury prone... I 'm not saying that DB will be an instant success story but I think he is in an excellent program and school that will bring him along accordingly. Although he is very coachable and a solid player I would like to see him open up offensively a little more his senior year, sometimes we witness some good atheletes become robots (over coached)... he has the talent and court smarts to take advantage of his opponent when needed. He has developed a potential explosive offense, I hope he expoits that this year. He has a really quiet game... meaning he is the type of player that will drop 20 pts on you and you dont realize it. 20 quiet points as they say. Im curious to see how GW will exploit his talent this year, he has the talent and size to play SG or SF.
11/20/2013 6:08:08 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Saint John’s (Washington, D.C.)
The Cadets are very well coached, and they have a good blend of role players and standouts. Miami signee James Palmer and Georgetown pledge Tre Campbell are among the standouts, and George Washington pledge Darian Bryant should be included on that list as well. Bryant may ultimately be the MVP of this team, as his versatility, toughness, and skill make for consistent production. Add sophomore newcomer Anthony Cowan to that group, as well, while division one pledges Darian Anderson and Mike Morsell are also quality role-playing pieces. Sophomore Jeff Dowtin and freshman Stephon Fisher will also see the floor, and freshman point guard Emmanuel Hilton is a stock to invest in now. This team is deep and experienced and should be one of the tougher outs in the WCAC.
11/20/2013 9:35:17 PM - Mike K - 1,177 posts (#28)
12/12/2013 7:42:39 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Big game vs #1 Paul VI tipping off. Apparently many college coaches (incl from GW) in the stands. Follow local hoops guys on twitter for updates (
@brandoncparker, @Edgar_Walker, @Josh_Stirn, @MarcusHelton)
12/13/2013 9:49:39 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Paul VI won handily using their size advantage. Unfortunately it looks like Darian (#4) will be playing post again this year at 6'4" as there is only one other serviceable big on the roster. Highlights here and here. Also look for GW targets Evan Taylor (#10) and Tyler Scanlon (#22) on PVI.
PS - Found this St Joihn's preview.
12/14/2013 6:06:18 PM - cagwu - 645 posts (#40)
12/14/2013 6:40:44 PM - CPots - 486 posts (#54)
Any predictions on his All Met prospects?
12/15/2013 4:23:17 PM - CPots - 486 posts (#54)
Any predictions on his All-Met prospects?
12/15/2013 4:23:40 PM - CPotsz - 1 posts (#251)
Any predictions on his All-Met prospects?
12/15/2013 5:56:18 PM - thinker - 2,825 posts (#11)
The WAPOST has put up it's pre-season All-Met and he is listed "on the Bubble" after the first and second teams.
12/16/2013 11:22:19 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Unlikely to make All-Met as he's playing on a team loaded with guards and is forced to play the post.
12/17/2013 9:37:32 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
12/19/2013 9:29:20 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
12/19/2013 9:29:41 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
12/19/2013 9:29:56 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
1/13/2014 12:41:35 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
2014 6’4″ SG Darian Bryant (St. John’s College-DC)- Very strong off guard with ability to compete in the paint rebounds. Can finish through contact off the drive or knock down the deep ball. Does not need the ball to be effective. (George Washington commit)
1/24/2014 9:53:17 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Scores 9 in rout of Dematha. Video including Darian interview and highlights from the WaPo.
1/26/2014 7:34:08 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Went down the street to watch O'Connell host Darian Bryant and St John's. The game turned into a double overtime thriller and a win for the visiting team. I saw coach Turner there as well at Turgeon (watching over UMD recruit Melo Trimble). Morgan Wooten was also there as his son miraculously avoided getting T-ed up despite his worse than usual sideline antics. Great up and down game with no team leading by more than six the whole game.
SJC plays without a true big with Jelly or another tallish guy manning the paint. He was matched up against OC's big front line most of the game so it was somewhat hard to see what he can do on D as a guard. I had Darian for 15 points but I think the announcer said 14 as I walked out. His shot is very very smooth and I especially liked his mid range jumpers. Soft release at the top of his elevation mostly catching net. I didn't catch a miss in the first half, but he missed a bunny and badly air balled a three among other misses in the second half. Overall, I had him 7-11 (1-2), but I'm sure I'm being generous.
Despite playing in the paint and gathering a couple of misses, I don't see him as an instinctive rebounder. Too flat-footed and following the ball with his eyes instead of his feet. Set a few nice picks and took a KEY charge in OT to foul out Trimble (which killed OC's offense). The revelation to me was his passing. I had him with seven assists. Drive and dishes, nice passes to the open shooter from the free throw line and cross court passes showing great court vision. Oddly enough, I see a lot of parallels between his game and Larsen. No idea what he'd look like as a true guard on the perimeter, but he might have problems keeping up with the faster guards in the A10.
Only regret was that it was a last minute thing and I wasn't sporting any GW gear to show him some Colonial support.
1/26/2014 8:02:34 PM - Tuna Can - 1,661 posts (#19)
1/26/2014 8:36:07 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Thanks Tuna. Maybe one of the many, many GW faithful based in NJ can visit one of Paul Jorgensen's games (schedule).
1/26/2014 8:45:00 PM - Adclub - 377 posts (#63)
It may or may not be premature, but Darians speed is a concern for me. Is he a natural 3? Seems like that would be ideal if he's just not quick enough to be a guard in college. I'm kinda hoping he grows another two inches, sounds like he's used to playing down low which could be a great boost for adaptation to the college game.
1/26/2014 11:06:24 PM - Umpleby - 148 posts (#131)
thanks for the report BM.
i know there are counflict report on his height. I beleive some list him as 6'3 and some as 6'5.
1/26/2014 11:26:56 PM - Free Quebec - 6,340 posts (#2)
Lonergan clearly likes high IQ guys who can shoot and pass, and who are physical enough to set screens and play through contact. I wouldn't worry too much about what position he traditionally fits. If he's a good player, he will succeed here.
I really like what I've read of the three recruits so once you throw in a big man (I'm assuming we will get a grad transfer because it's such a no-brained landing spot), this class will be really good. And if the Japanese kid signs, wow.
1/26/2014 11:30:28 PM - bobo - 3,178 posts (#8)
BM: If GW fails to sign a PF (or at least a PF that is ready to play), could Bryant give some minutes at the 4 spot next to a C like Larsen? Maybe GW can sign a competent big man but maybe not. As of right now, I think it would be Kopriva starting and they'd need someone off the bench. Maybe Swan as a stretch 4 like Mikic is or Byrant. Or maybe the recruited walk-on or recruited non-scholarship transfer but I'm not holding out much hope for that.
1/26/2014 11:49:16 PM - thinker - 2,825 posts (#11)
Somewhere there is discussion that Swan is still growing and alreafy at 6'8" = I think he and Kopriva play the 4 if we don't recruit anyone else. Getting Cimino and Watanabe both might make this recruiting class stunningly exciting.
1/27/2014 12:25:31 AM - Poog - 3,875 posts (#6)
What are the realistic expectations for Ryan McCoy the transfer from Manhattan
1/27/2014 7:04:02 AM - Mike K - 1,177 posts (#28)
i tried posting a tweet from Marcus Helton where he speaks well of Bryant's play and jump shot.
1/27/2014 9:08:57 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Bobo, I highly doubt Darian can play PF effectively at a college level. He's just not as lengthy and bouncy as other undersize PF's we've recuited (Bonzie Colson, Kris Jenkins...). Someone close to the program mentioned that they will use him as a post-up two and I can see that happenning. He may have to go on the Larsen diet to lose a few pounds (he is solid) to gain some speed.
I think with our record and the promise of a starting spot, we will be able to sign a good-to-go big soon.
Not sure if there are any big expectations from McCoy. I'm sure word would've leaked out if he was a star in practice.
Video of the game.
1/27/2014 9:18:33 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Just watched the video. You can see a lot of his points, dishes and the charge he took to foul out Trimble (White #10). On the other players, we missed on a graet one in James Palmer (Red 12). Tall slasher with range going to Miami. Two O'Connell bigs have potential: Oumar Barry (#13) is a 2015 and has UMD watching him. Lewis DJonkam (#5), a 2016, would have to grow a bit (height and maturity), but I think he had potential too.
1/29/2014 10:46:12 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Scores 10 (his average) in win over Gonzaga. ML in the stands.
1/29/2014 10:46:35 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Scores 10 (his average) in win over Gonzaga. ML in the stands.
1/29/2014 10:47:19 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Scores 10 (his average) in win over Gonzaga. ML in the stands.
1/29/2014 9:37:28 PM - GooColonialsGo - 10 posts (#242)
Saw him at the game tonight against La Salle. He picked a great night to come see him future team!
1/29/2014 9:38:11 PM - GooColonialsGo - 10 posts (#242)
Was at the game tonight against La Salle. He picked a great night to come see his future team!
1/29/2014 9:51:37 PM - Mystery Colonial - 277 posts (#85)
Was also at the VCU game. He's picking good times to check us out!
1/30/2014 12:50:17 PM - Mike K - 1,177 posts (#28)
anyone know if he was sitting with Clint Robinson?
1/30/2014 1:13:29 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Robinson was sitting with parents. Darian has been to about half of our home games, similar to Griffin last season.
1/30/2014 1:13:49 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Robinson was sitting with parents. Darian has been to about half of our home games, similar to Griffin last season.
1/31/2014 9:13:36 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
2/11/2014 1:25:23 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
St John's/Darian scores here.
2/11/2014 2:12:39 PM - G-Dubber - 371 posts (#65)
Was at the Fordham game with friends
2/16/2014 7:41:51 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Has big game as St John's finishes the regular season at the top of the WCAC standings
2/17/2014 8:13:18 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Video from the game. FYI, they added video to the WaPo article as well.
2/20/2014 12:22:34 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
2/21/2014 10:33:59 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
More video from the Dematha game where you can see him get manhandled playing the post against a couple of real bigs.
2/21/2014 10:53:05 AM - GWAlum2001 - 409 posts (#60)
#50 on DeMatha reminds me of Big Deli. Bryant is definitely not going to be expected to bang with the big boys as much as the next level, I hope that playing inside in high school a lot helps his rebounding. As we know, ML expects his guards to board. He will learn from JoeMac too, who is probably the best rebounding guard I can remember at GW.
2/21/2014 11:03:59 AM - Thomas - 1,146 posts (#29)
#50 on Dematha, who Darian Bryant was battling for a lot of that game, is Brock Ruble and he's actually an offensive linemen who has signed to play football for Florida State. #25 is sophomore Joe Hampton, who may project as a high-major player, but with a few more seasons like this, GW may able to convince a guy J.Hampton to sign with them over the Big Boys.
2/21/2014 11:09:11 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Been hoping to see GW mention in connection with Hampton, but considering DC Assault connection, I'm not holding my breath.
2/22/2014 2:51:09 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
2/22/2014 3:05:01 PM - Omar Comin' - 555 posts (#46)
Must be nice this year to be a GW recruit able to talk smack to a Georgetown-commit teammate about picking the better program.
2/22/2014 11:04:51 PM - Thomas - 1,146 posts (#29)
I saw Darian Bryant play today as St.John's was upset by McNamara in the 1st round of the WCAC playoffs. He may have led SJC in scoring this afternoon. What I liked about him is he hit a 3-pointer and looks like he has a pretty good jump shot, he appears to be a very good defender and also had about 3 blocks(including a couple against McNamara's taller post players). I don't think he'll have a problem switching to shooting guard or small forward at GW. Despite being eliminated from the WCAC playoffs, I'm assuming St.John's will play in the Alhambra tournament because they won the WCAC regular season title and the recently formed DCSAA(it began last year), a postseason tournament that includes only D.C. schools. Only public, private and charter schools within D.C. are allowed to participate. Last year, the WCAC didn't allow their D.C. based teams to play in it, I don't know what the decision this year will be.
2/23/2014 10:19:53 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Josh Stirn @Josh_Stirn
McNamara jumped out to a seven point lead but GW commit Darian Bryant just nailed a corner three to tie the game at 48.
Corey Pegram @CoreyPegram
St. John's press is helping them stay in this. And the steady play of George Washington commit Darian Bryant. Smart player on both ends
2/23/2014 10:28:05 AM - Mike K - 1,177 posts (#28)
Hits a 3, steady play, "smart player on both ends," sounds like an ML recruit!
2/23/2014 12:03:27 PM - Thomas - 1,146 posts (#29)
I saw in the Washington Post's review of the St.John's-McNamara game, that St.John's will be participating in the DCSAA postseason tournament(along with the Alhambra tournament), so Darian Bryant still has several games left to play.
3/6/2014 12:18:53 PM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
3/6/2014 6:04:31 PM - GooColonialsGo - 10 posts (#242)
I've seen Darian Bryant at the Smith Center for a number of home games in 2014, including the last two against St. Joes and Mason. Nice to see a commit out there cheering the current team on. Excited to have him in the mix next year.
3/10/2014 9:01:12 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Will be playing in the Crab Ball Classic on March 21 at Dematha. Maybe it's a replacement for the Cap Classic? UA sponsored tournament between the best of DC and Baltimore areas.
3/16/2014 9:40:29 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
Lost in Alhambra Classic to O'Connell:
For St. John’s (28-6), the WCAC regular-season champion, Darian Bryant was a force in the paint all evening, scoring 23 points with nine rebounds. James Palmer, who is headed to the University of Miami, scored 19 points and Michael Morsell scored 13.
3/16/2014 11:53:20 AM - Mike K - 1,177 posts (#28)
Darian, looking forward to seeing you join this squad next year. ML sure knows what he is doing.
3/28/2014 11:18:49 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
4/23/2014 11:37:11 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
4/23/2015 10:00:57 AM - BM - 5,673 posts (#3)
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4/23/2015 10:25:46 AM - Poog - 3,875 posts (#6)
Interesting that the article talks about Darian having an uncomfortable relationship with Lonergan but then the details are about disconnect on the positions he was asked to play. Easy to draw conflicting conclusions about what that might mean or what the reporter misconstrued or left unsaid. Whatever. Good luck to Darian as a Blue Hen. Found him to be a humble and gracious kid in my few encounters with him.
4/23/2015 10:29:59 AM - Free Quebec - 6,340 posts (#2)
Wow. That quote is kind of delusional. He thinks he could even be a point guard at this level? He could rarely ever dribble it inside the 3 point line without turning it over.
Maybe a year of practice in the right system will change things, but I doubt Deleware gives him a look at the 1 (and wouldn't be surprised if they, too, use him as more of a 3 or undersized 4 because he really has to improve his handle and shooting to be a 2 even for Delaware). But I hope he finds the right fit and thrives there. Good luck.
"I felt like I was playing out of position and couldn't really develop my game the way I needed to," Bryant said. "I was playing the three [wing guard or small forward] and even the four [forward], where I feel I'm more of a two [shooting guard], even a one [point guard]. I just wasn't comfortable."
4/23/2015 10:51:16 AM - thinker - 2,825 posts (#11)
A Maryland HS coach that I really trust had said from early on that he thought Darian would be a good college player and that he was A-10 level. I'm not blaming anybody but I don't think they ever found the right role for Darian.
4/23/2015 10:57:40 AM - Bigfan - 2,829 posts (#10)
I doubt the reporter misconstrued his comments about his relationship with Lonergan. They were pretty clear. He may not have elaborated. While I do feel ML made a strategic mistake in not playing Swan or Cimino,basically any significant time at all, even in blowouts, he was more than fair to Darian. At one point, Darian was essentially first off the bench and didn't take advantage of the opportunity.
Personally, believe Darian wasn't a guard at all. Not quick enough. Let's charitably say good things didn't happen when he was playing guard. He has a big body that he can use and maybe would have developed as a small forward. But frankly, he played center in high school and would have been best trying to be a Charles Barkley-type undersized power forward, though, alas without the same leaping ability.
Anyway, any thought of point guard, would shall we say gently, take a lot and a lot of work and ball handling. Would recommend not driving anywhere inside the paint.
But he seemed like a good kid from a rigorous school, carried himself well, and Delaware could be a good fit, so wish Darian the best.
4/23/2015 11:00:47 AM - GWAlum2001 - 409 posts (#60)
I think Darian had the talents to be a good glue/6th man in coming years for GW. Strong kid, does a lot of things but nothing exceptional. think he could be a starting 2 at a lower level but his shot was not consistent enough at this point to do that at the A10 level. Nice kid, and parents were always active at game and seemed supportive. Good luck Darian.
4/23/2015 11:36:40 AM - Mentzinger - 3,646 posts (#7)
4/23/2015 12:45:32 PM - Willie - 36 posts (#216)
Darian was not an A-10 player. He is a better fit at Delaware. Best of luck to the young man.
4/23/2015 1:04:27 PM - Mike K - 1,177 posts (#28)
best of luck to you Darian, in basketball and in life.
4/23/2015 1:42:49 PM - GW Fan - 509 posts (#50)
Best of Luck to Darian at Delaware. I really thought he would have been able to contribute at GW with his size at the guard spot from what I saw at Kenner. I think the coaches saw this too as they were high on Jelly prior to the start of the season. In my opinion I think the combination of some early season missed dunks and hard falls (I think one in particular kept him out of a game or two), combined with limited minutes that resulted from getting yanked sometimes very quickly upon entering games really affected his confidence. The game never seemed to slow back down for him and he seemed to press a little the remainder of the season. This isn't meant to be a knock on ML, as his primary goal is to put a team on the floor that will win games, but who's to say how Pato, Joe or KevLar's games would have developed had they not had the luxury of big minutes as freshmen (27, 28 & 24 mpg respectively), while playing through their mistakes.
4/23/2015 8:02:45 PM - thinker - 2,825 posts (#11)
Darian - I have to play the 1 to get to the next level (more or less)
Savage - I have to play the 1 to get to the next level.
Darian - Team Takeover
Savage - Team Takeover
Delaware assistant coach from Team Takeover.
Victor Oladiipo - Team Takeover and player who had to play a lot of the 1 to make it to the next level.
I think that's where this line of reasoning came from.
4/23/2015 10:07:31 PM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)
GW actual 4 year starter Point Guard Joe Mac - Team Takover. How does that play into things?
4/23/2015 10:20:44 PM - thinker - 2,825 posts (#11)
I don't know that it does play into it. But Darian and Savage both saying the exact same thing at about the exact same time and both being very involved in Takeover - that looks like the connection. And Takeover really couldn't say the same thing to Joe because he's already playing PG.
4/23/2015 10:24:20 PM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)
Savage came to GW with Joe when it seemed clear Joe would be the point, he stayed 3 years with Joe as the point. Darian came to GW with Joe as the point. You'd agree that if Takeover wanted these guys all starting at the point steering them all to GW in the first place would seem like an odd decision?
What are you suggesting is the meaning behind the connection?
4/23/2015 11:25:47 PM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)
Not quite sure what to make of Darian, although I have now worked in with him 3 times in 11 days on the Lat Machine. That Dude has some mighty strong lats.
4/24/2015 12:32:23 AM - Free Quebec - 6,340 posts (#2)
The thing is, it's true. For them to make the NBA they would have to become point guards. Maybe even to play at a high level in Europe, they would have to be PGs because they aren't that big for 2 guards at a high level and neither shoots it well enough as of now to be a 2 anyway. So it's true, to get to the next level they have to be 1s.
So it really comes down to what you are looking for out of college ball - are you looking for a coach who will put you in position to play to your stregnths both to give your team the best chance to win and to show off your strengths to scouts, or are you clinging to the fantasy that the NBA will fall in love with you if only you can showcase your point guard skills?
I have no idea if the AAU program was in their ear about this, but I do know that no AAU coach gains influence by disabusing players of the notion that the AAU guys know best what they need to be superstars.
4/24/2015 12:39:53 AM - thinker - 2,825 posts (#11)
These AAU guys are often one step up from being street hustlers. You're trying to apply your very systematic analysis to a situation that in this case is less organized. The AAU teams don't have policy and procedures manuels. I wasn't exposing some conspiracy just that it makes sense that someone from Takeover was almost certainly whispering in both guys ears. The main meaning of that is that this probably was the real reason they transfered. Why would Takeover be mucking about with GW players? Don't know. Maybe they're pissed at GW for some reason. Or maybe some guy was just being a big talker and a big dick.
4/24/2015 12:45:46 AM - Free Quebec - 6,340 posts (#2)
or also, Thinker, given that some huge percentage of players transfer these days, it could be the parents and players themselves looking for something better without anyone needing to push them or handle them - because like I said, it is actually true that to keep their NBA dream alive, they would somehow have to become elite college point guard (or in Darian's case, just more of a ball handling and shooting guard, even a 2)
4/24/2015 12:51:34 AM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)
To a certain extent that's true, at least it increases their chances at playing at higher levels. This is happening at every level at every position. It would behoove kids to have point guard handle long before they transfer in college. In Kethan's case, I thought we had put the issue to rest when it was established he was transfering to play with a 5'11 McDonald's All American pure point guard from NC st.
Speaking generally don't we run the risk here of stereotyping when we say "AAU players" AAU player means basically every American born college bound hoopster and scores more that don't play in college. "AAU guy" gets thrown around a lot here. Jordan Roland and Mitola are also AAU kids.
With regard to Team Takeover, that team has been pretty darn good to GW! Its the team that produced Mo Creek, Lasan, Joe McDonald, Savage and yes Bryant and Griffin. Colin Goss is also Team Takeover.
4/24/2015 7:05:12 AM - Nemanjamental - 171 posts (#120)
I never had much of a problem with Bryant. Hopefully Delaware works out better for him.
4/24/2015 9:08:03 AM - Buff - 24 posts (#228)
Free Quebec, Thinker, you do realize that Sina's dad is an AAU coach, right?
Yes, there are AAU coaches that are self serving.
I think it is ludicrous that folks on the board think AAU coaches are whispering in Darian/Kethan's ear. Every last GW Team Takeover kid are/were ALL model student athletes. ML never had any off the court issues with them. I don't know how much you know about TTO but kids that play in their program are not thugs. They all have strong family support which would never let anyone give them advice that is not in their best interest.
In most cases, the high school coach is also still involved when kids are considering transferring. Again, if someone is transferring IN, they never consulted with their AAU coach.
4/24/2015 9:51:01 AM - Rich Maier - 17 posts (#235)
Thinker, I don't understand why GW recruits players from Team Takeover if AAU guys are one step up from being hustlers. Buff noted that Sina's father is an AAU coach. Perhaps GW offered the Sina something extra like take Mitola we'll give you Sina. Sounds like a plausible AAU story. That is if Mr. Sina is one of those AAU coaches one step from street hustlers. This is why I'm not in favor of painting all AAU coaches with the same brush. Just like The Dude said.
4/24/2015 10:48:51 AM - Free Quebec - 6,340 posts (#2)
I don't think Thinker intended to paint all AAU guys with a broad brush. Just talking about some of them.
Maybe you can nitpick his use of the word "often", but I think he meant it like "more often than you'd like," rather than "most of the time," which is i think how you took it. At least that's how I read it.
4/24/2015 10:56:11 AM - thinker - 2,825 posts (#11)
Obviously all AAU teams are not the same and all AAU coaches are not the same and all kids are not the same and all parents are not the same. Takeover is not in the category of DC Assault (or whatever it's called now).. But AAU teams are generally formed by some guy or two who have to raise their own money and are involved in the team for some very different reasons. Many of them are involved because of some personal ambition that really doesn't have much to do with teaching kids how to play basketball. Many are involved because the position it allows them to occupy in their community. Have you ever had any contact or dealings with Keith Stevens? I won't say anything more but if you had seen him in action you'd understand more clearly what I'm talking about. But there are also some very good and noble guys in AAU - maybe Coach Sina is one of those guys. My friend who is a HS and AAU coach, I think is a truly honest and honorable guy who wants to teach basketball. He's also had his best players and once even a whole team basically stolen from him by some guys that were getting funded by Under Armour. I just think that is the way things are sometimes even though it doesn't fit well into the narrative that a lot of people want to hear..
4/24/2015 11:12:59 AM - Rich Maier - 17 posts (#235)
FQ, you're entitled to your opinion. I'm just going with what Thinker said. If he wants to clarify his post, great.
4/24/2015 11:21:40 AM - Rich Maier - 17 posts (#235)
Thinker, i should have posted my thoughts before i stepped away.So is it in your opinion are the AAU guys 'often' bad dudes or 'sometimes'?
4/24/2015 1:49:30 PM - thinker - 2,825 posts (#11)
I have no earthly idea even how many AAU teams there are. I would suspect that the vast majority of AAU teams are mostly reasonably honest. For the purposes of this board and other schools generally the dishonesty is lots more likely on teams that have DI level kids and especially on teams that have high major kids. There isn't really any opportunity for corruption if you don't have high end recruitable players. Probably most AAU teams don't have high end recruits.
Now if we're talking about AAU teams that have lots of high end players you're going to have shady guys involved - "Often."
4/24/2015 1:55:40 PM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)
AAU = "really good young basketball player. Team Takeover means "really good local young bballl player"
Team Takeover has been quite good to GW, Mo Creek, Lasan, Joe Mac, Kethan, where would the ML program be without landing so many TT guys? I'm just not sure I get the critique you are making about them.
The GW TT alums reads like a list of model student athletes. Joe was Ivy bound, Kethan a consistent all-academic student, Lasan and Creek graduated on time, excellent guys. Goss is TT.
Takeover guys have transfered to GW, they've transfered from GW, and above all they signed out of HS with TT. More GW players from TT than any other school. If you ask me, lets keep the talent train coming, just with more Creeks/Kethan/Joe Mac/Lasans types, fewer Griffin/Bryants. Beejay Anya would have looked quite nice in Buff and Blue.
4/24/2015 2:26:07 PM - thinker - 2,825 posts (#11)
I'm not sure what point you're making. Takeover is not a monolith - it's a bunch of guys who fancy themselves basketball impresarios.
I haven't said anything about the players that come from there. You can be a good kid and a good player and still be on an AAU team that has some shady stuff going on.
And all the guys we've gotten from Takeover - except Creek who was diminished by injury - were not on the top level team at Takeover that has multiple teams. None of those guys were particularly heavily recruited. I understand people say Savage had an offer from VCU but at the same time Mason didn't think he was good enough to play there. So Takeover isn't going to care that much about lower level players because you can't ever get very much for them in the first place. Still you could speculate that GW took Griffin and Bryant as a favor to Takeover. Or you could speculate that GW had a number of Takeover kids and didn't give sufficient "return" for Takeovers liking. Or you could speculate that ML and Keith Stevens had some type of "agreement" that come renegotiation time they weren't able to agree on terms.
To be clear I have no idea if any of these things happened - I'm just using the situation to give examples of how the AAU games work. And I believe that Takeover is in the category of AAU teams that runs things that way.
4/24/2015 2:52:34 PM - Long Suffering Fan - 4,106 posts (#5)
For a lawyer and a cynic, I will acknolwedge that I can be very naive, so please enlighten me, Thinkier, as I really don't know much about AAU basketball?. Specifically, what is in it for the AAU coaches to suggest that someone like Savage or Bryant are better off at the point so they should transfer from GW? For that matter, what is in it for the AAU coach to direct their higher quality players to a BCS school rather than GW? Do they envision becoming the player's agent if they become a professional after leaving college? Are there things going on under the table between the school and the coach? Or is it just an ego thing? After you answer these questions, I probably will have a bunch more.
4/24/2015 3:09:08 PM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)
I'm not making any monolithic statement, we're actually asking you to clarify your own. You seem to continue to say that by being a DC Assault guy or Team Takeover guy means something, I believe we're not quite clear what is that you mean by that. I don't see any discernible pattern, except that TT has been huge to our recent success.
4/24/2015 3:29:17 PM - GWStag - 84 posts (#169)
Thinker- Savage NEVER had an offer from VCU. Not even close.
4/24/2015 3:35:20 PM - thinker - 2,825 posts (#11)
I wasn't saying that Takeover had some secret plan to wreck GW. Just Bryant and Savage both said the same thing and that's kind of a Takeover thing to say. And Bryantwent to a school that has a Takeover guys as an assistant. Otherwise I don't think we should care that much that these guys left.
It is a seamy cesspool. What can a AAU coach hope to get?
1) Direct cash payment
2) Sponsorship from a shoe company
3) A job as a coach in college
4) A job for a family member of the player or some other person either at the college or in the private sector paid for by a booster
5) This has been eliminated but teams used to pay some of these programs to play a pre-season game with a team from their senior division
6) On the mid-level lots of school gear and tickets to all the home games
7) Being invited to participate or coach in something like the Kenner League
8) I think this has been eliminated too but schools used to pay AAU coaches to participate in their summer camps
9) It's definitely also an ego thing and a prominent place in the community
10) You give cash to the AAU coach to pay for a trip for him and the player to take an unofficial visit. The coach can get seriously wined and dined in that situation.
There is no way to test this out but people in the AAU scene would be skeptical that there were many ESPN Top 100 kids who didn't get something improper in their recruitment. That's the main reason why GW can't get these kinds of kids -- we don't pay
4/24/2015 4:02:13 PM - Buff - 24 posts (#228)
Yeah Savage did receive an have an offer from VCU but who really cares.? And George Mason, did he dodge a train wreck or what?
All the schools that passed on Savage is a distant memory, because he is headed to BUTLER! So haters keep on hating.
Thinker, all the GW TTO players (except maybe Bryant, don't know) played for Keith Stevens on the "A" team. So you need to go back and do a fact check on that.
Any business where there is alot of money at stake there is going to be corruption. College basketball is no different. I consider ML one of the good guys and the fact that you imply that ML and Stevens had agreements is offensive. ML does not need Stevens to sell his program. ML's record and the school reputation are good enough selling points, that he does not have to compromise his integrity.
The AAU street hustlers prey on kids that don't have the strong family support, so whatever the coach says is gospel. They really have no other advocates to help them get to college.
Several of the TTO blue chipers have gone on to big name programs. I can not think of one that Stevens could have "used" for his own benefit. Just the players I know something about, Victor O., Jerami Grant., James Robinson, BeeJay Anya, Mo Creek, Darion Atkins all went to power conferences. Do you think Stevens brokered a deal?? Obviously you don't know their families cause they would never let someone hustle their kids.
Everyone of TTO players have received free educations, even the low value ones like Savage, McDonald, Kromah. Like any program, very few players are going to the "league" but they (TT)O) have a good number playing overseas making a great living (Creek. Lasan). Does Stevens sway what agent they select? I don't it. These are intelligent adults with great family support.
And lastly, the nonsense about AAU coaches whispering in Bryant/Savage's ears about positions. PG position may have had a role in their decision, but an extremely small role, so why are we still talking about it. It doesn't really matter the reason, they have moved on, so should we.
4/24/2015 4:18:48 PM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)
It seemed implausible to me that 1st team all Mets Joe Mac (back to back 1st team All Met) and Kethan Savage were not even playing on their own top level AAU team, and I recall Joe Mac and Kethan played with BeeJay Anya and other beast moders for sure, thanks for clarifying Buff. I'm pretty sure like you said Buff, that was the case for every GW TT alum. I too find it hard to believe that the prominent Savage family or Harvey freakin Grant are going to let some shady roller steer their kids wrong.
Buff's diagnosis seems very compelling and persuasive to me.
If the actually very shady Curtis Malone had such a huge cash cow on his hands in DC Assault, you wonder why he'd turn back to running a huge drug trafficking ring.
4/24/2015 5:07:39 PM - Bigfan - 2,829 posts (#10)
Agree with parts of both here. Team Takeover has been good to GW, maybe not with their very top level kids. And the ones we have had, including Kethan and Darian, if he is one, are basically good young men. They may be a little overmambitious with their basketball goals, but that is their decision. Kethan's is really odd. Darian, not so much.
Thinker has posted a lot of insight into this shady world. Glad to see what he has to say. Think it is important.
Didn't those organizations offer, and perhaps still do, books about their players or "scouting services" for hundreds of dollars each? Remember reading something about that, at least.
What hampered Gary Williams and probably got him out coaching was his expressed lack of desire to "play ball" (my quotes) with these AAU teams.
Nigel Johnson, who went to a school he never even visited as freshman, is a good example of the AAU influence if what we are to believe is correct.
4/24/2015 5:25:40 PM - thinker - 2,825 posts (#11)
I understood the GW players weren't on the top team Takeover. If that's not the case then obviously I mispoke.
I'm glad that you're so 100% confident that Takeover and Stevens are pure as the driven snow. I'm happy that you're comfortable that Stevens had no input on the recruitment of all of those top end players. That's great that apparently each one of those players sat down with their parents and a bible and tried to figure out which school had the more highly rated mechanical engineering program.
Just as I can't absolutely prove that's how Takeover operates, you can't absolutely prove that Takeover doesn't steer players to schools and find some way to get compensated for that.
And I guess you've just misremembered that 2 Takeover kids Creek and Stanford Robinson went to Indiana recruited by who you ask? Kenny Johnson assistant coach of Indiana (recently departed) and former coach of Takeover. Nothing wrong with that I guess. Except that Indiana hired him so they could get Takeover kids. That's the payment Indiana made.And you can go ahead and convince yourself that's not shady. But you won't convince me. Because that kind of thing happens all the time.
And Dude, no one says that running an AAU team is a cash cow that could make Curtis Malone rich.
4/24/2015 5:42:54 PM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)
The insinuation that AAU coaches may be steering kids for compensation as it relates to GW is a claim you might want to tread a bit more carefully about.
I welcome all insights into the AAU world, I just now wonder how much you actually know about Team Takeover if you didn't know Lasan, Joe Mac, Kethan etc were playing for their top level team.
You seem to be painting the entire AAU world with a bit of a broad brush here, as opposed to actual information about a team that's been exceptionally important and beneficial to us.
4/24/2015 6:06:29 PM - Buff - 24 posts (#228)
Mo Creek was at Indiana way before Kenny Johnson went there.
Did you forget that Kenny was also on the PVI coaching staff when Stan was a player there?
You are saying Kenny got the job as an assistant because of Stan? Stan is a great player but not that great where he can help someone get a job at Indiana. If anything Kenny helped Stan. Again, Stan is not one of those "disadvantaged" youth, I am sure his parents had to feel ok with the decision . You know people get jobs all the time because of their connections. I see nothing at all with Kenny getting a job because his connection to TTO. He will have an inside track to those TTO kids but at the end of the day it comes down to a family influenced decision.
All I am saying is that AAU coaches have a much less of an influence with strong family support in a nutshell.
Indiana is a great school so
4/24/2015 6:07:23 PM - thinker - 2,825 posts (#11)
I'm not an insiuator. Thanks for warning me to tread lightly though.
Anyone who has been on this board for a long time and has read these kinds of things from me about AAU knows that I've never wavered from my belief the we don't pay for players. That's one of the big reasons why we can't get top end players in the first place. And I'd be fine if we did pay sometimes if that meant a better team. But at this point we don't. But LOTS of places do and LOTS of top kids need to get some type of inducement to sign. And most of the AAU teams that have the highest level players are part of that discussion whether they get something or the players family gets something or the school has to take another kid in order to get the first kid.
Coach K lamented in the last couple of weeks that he never talks to HS coaches anymore about a recruit. They're just not involved much. You have to talk to a "manager" or "advisor" or AAU coach.
That's the landscape of college basketball today.
4/24/2015 6:20:55 PM - thinker - 2,825 posts (#11)
And as far as worrying about GW's relationship with Takeover, I think that ship has already sailed. I am perfectly willing to be shown that I am wrong about this but I don't see a single recruit that we're looking at for 2016 who is on Takeover.And there are only two local kids - a pg Ako Adams from Arlington and Shawnta's son from Baltimore.
The future my friends is in Upstate NY. Anyone want to guess what AAU team our new assistant coach used to coach for?
4/24/2015 6:38:33 PM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)
Yes, we get that connections are used by guys to move up in the world in every walk of life. Its quite clear whether its AAU or a power program like Montverde this holds for hoops.
Paying for players and other forms of quid pro quo you were alleging, is quite a different matter. I was being charitable man, as everyone by now knows I welcome a free exchange of ideas including yours, I just think you should clarify a bit what you are suggesting. We have two 2015 recruits, one, CG is Team Takeover! Lets see if that train stops rolling.
The idea we're getting the low level TT guys just doesn't hold. I know you frown on "research" which is an odd way of belittling "cited substantiated facts" but if you look at say the 2012 TT class or the 09 TT class, after the NBA guy in each class we ended up with quite a bit of the cream. Even a great AAU team like TT typically only has a few BCS bound guys per class, your characterization would suggest otherwise:
|Arnand Adala Moto
||Mount St. Mary's
||Johnson C. Smith
||Mount St. Mary's
4/24/2015 7:55:54 PM - thinker - 2,825 posts (#11)
I'm not a prosecutor Dude, so I don't have all the damning documents on PDFs to satisfy you. I never accused anybogy specifically of paying cash for a player but it happens. I know of a $50,000 payment to a player's mother but won't go further here. So let me explain it to you a different way.
College recruiting is a cesspool. Many if not most of the top recruits are affiliated with an AAU team.Those AAU teams have a great deal variety in terms of how they run their business - from crooked crooked to squeaky clean and everything in between.. Some kids are more influenced by their AAU team than others. Most AAU teams play a significant role in the recruitment of most of their top players. A lot of those AAU teams expect and are looking for some type of inducement to get their player to commit. There certainly has to be a wider variety of inducements than I have listed off the top of my head. One very popular inducement is to hire the AAU as a college assistant coach and then bring along some of his players. Sometimes that coach retains connections to his old team well into the future. In some sense helping out an alum of sorts is a type of inducement and we never know how that coach returns the favor.
So some inducements are a serious violation, some fit into a grey area and some are clearly accepted.
So hiring Kevin Sutton because he coached at Montrose Christian anc Montverde Academy and then him bringing Pato and Kevlar from Montrose is accepted. But GW really gave an inducement to Sutton. GW probably wanted Sutton anyway and in any event is not against the rules. I don't have any problem with or in hiring Coach Carm to recruit at his old AAU team Albany City Rocks. But would he have gotten the job if he didn't have that connection?
Some one is always trying to cash in on their relationship with kids and teams. There are a variety of ways to cash in. And to get the top players you quite often have to offer some type of inducement..
4/24/2015 8:01:22 PM - thinker - 2,825 posts (#11)
I hit return before I finished. Virtually all schools are trying to gain the advantage in a system filled with lots of unscrupulous people. Because GW won't do the more out there type of things to recruit they're at a disadvantage.But plenty of schools have lesser standards for recruiting than does GW.
4/24/2015 8:32:57 PM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)
I think you'll find broad agreement that there's some serious shady dealings in some of the college recruiting. Its one of the reasons I recommened to anyone interested the 30 for 30, Sole Man on Sonny Vaccaro.
It sounds like you have a broad understanding of AAU and in certain cases some inside information. I'm not sure they typically apply to GW/TT. Lets take 3 TT cases:
1.Bryant said it came to down to GW and Delaware.
2. Kethan had GW and some vague offer to maybe walk on to VCU.
3. Joe had Princeton vs GW.
Three TT guys with very little leverage, even presuming (falsely I'd suggest in these case that it was AAU handlers who had control over these kids and not young adults making decisions in conjunction with their families) If you know Kethan for instance a little bit, you know he has a very highly regarded and close knit family.
Setting that aside, there's just no leverage here for the AAU handler, this isn't the recruiting of Andrew Wiggins with the nation's 10 biggest richest programs all throwing their hat in the ring. This is kids from good families with some slim good programs options and very little leverage to offer a shady character. I think suggesting otherwise in the case of GW/TT is perhaps misleading. Shady figures looking to truly cash in on the nefarious underbelly, all of the marbles are on the truly elite Chris Webbers and Derrick Roses of the world, they aren't riding onto the backs of Darian Bryants.
4/24/2015 9:18:55 PM - thinker - 2,825 posts (#11)
But Dude, I never said GW gave Takeover anything for those guys. All of those players aren't good enough to command much if any inducement and there's very little besides GW gear and game tickets that they're willing to give anyway.Mostly only top 100 type players command any significant inducement. Lesser recruits may get steered in different directions but for little if no inducement.
And Bryant didn't really seem to fit at GW. And Savage was perpetually unhappy.So it doesn't matter that much. Savage is a good player and it would have been nice to have him on the team but we'll adjust and move on. But when Bryant said almost the exact same thing as Savage and you see that Bryant went to a team with a Takeover guy as an assistant - I saw the fingerprints of Takeover on that. Were they trying to screw GW? I don't know? I just looks to me as if Takeover was involved with both players when they were deciding to transfer.
4/24/2015 9:38:46 PM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)
(I'm not sure two guys issuing somewhat similar I'm transfering reasons who played for the same AAU all that is that revealing) but that aside, Your last post seems reasonable and I essentially agree with that, which is why I asked that you to clarify what your prior post was alleging:
"Still you could speculate that GW took Griffin and Bryant as a favor to Takeover. Or you could speculate that GW had a number of Takeover kids and didn't give sufficient "return" for Takeovers liking. Or you could speculate that ML and Keith Stevens had some type of "agreement" that come renegotiation time they weren't able to agree on terms."
Honestly, I have a very different take, I'm thrilled with the TT/GW relationship, its brought us Creek, Kromah, Joe Mac, and Kethan, in the end it was the most important connective tissue in the ML era thus far. Our next incoming class is 50% TT, I don't yet see any fraying in the relationship at all.
4/24/2015 9:42:49 PM - THE DUDE - 529 posts (#48)
Bo must be sloshing back Martinis at coaching convention lobby to be sitting out this thread!