Can't we All Get Along?
Created: 12/12/2013 8:34:36 PMReplies: 16
12/12/2013 8:34:36 PM - ClearThought - 3 posts (#220)
What would it take to get Georgetown, UMD, GW, GMU, VCU, and a few others to participate in an annual tourney like the Big 5 in Philly? I know there's plenty of blame to go around. I'm not interested in the history, although I understand it's hard to ignore it. What I'd lke to get your thoughts on is you think there's a demand for the event and how to make it happen. DC is a basketball hotbed and it seems a shame to not have an annual event like they have up the road in Philadelphia.
12/12/2013 8:41:10 PM - NJ Colonial - 1,337 posts (#20)
Ask G'town, the only school that I am aware of that has resisted this idea.
12/12/2013 8:53:26 PM - Omar Comin' - 192 posts (#84)
I wouldn't want VCU involved. There's enough basketball in DC to go around. Bring in Howard and AU. They might be RPI killers, but better to get your sub-200 games in with some local flair.
12/12/2013 9:15:12 PM - Wax Daddy - 72 posts (#155)
Gtown has nothing to gain, are huge pussies, and will never play because they don't want to have to god forbid battle is for local prestige and lose their false throne in the basketball world where they lose in the first round of the tournament every year
12/12/2013 9:26:04 PM - Orel Miraculous - 170 posts (#91)
This shouldn't be hard. The greatest in-season tournament in all of college sports has been showing us how to do it for 60 years.
"The Civil War": GW, GTown, Mason, and Maryland play in an annual two day tournament on Verizon. It starts on December 2nd every year to commemorate the day the Statue of Freedom was placed on top of the Capital Dome in 1963. If GW and Mason meet, then it counts as a non-conference game.
The winning team gets a trophy that looks like this:
And the MVP of The Civil War gets this sterling silver stovepipe hat (which we can buy on eBay right now if we all chip in):
This idea is what's known amongst fancy Madison Avenue marketing types as "a winner." Get it done, Feinstein.
12/12/2013 9:28:12 PM - Orel Miraculous - 170 posts (#91)
I meant "at" Verizon and "Capitol" and "1863." Obviously. Don't let the sloppiness detract from the idea.
12/12/2013 10:28:45 PM - ELJ - 1,866 posts (#16)
Clearthought -- While you're "not interested in the history," there is precedent of a sort for your idea. Don't know when it started, but way back in the early-to-mid-'50's when Old Prof and I were at GW, there was an annual round-robin among GW, G'town and Maryland, called the Big Three tourney. While I was at GW (1952-'55) we won more than our share of those trophies. They were on display in the lobby of the Smith Center before the renovation; don't know if they're still there now. And obviously I agree fully with your wanting to renew the rivaly. I'd add GMU, in keeping it to the metro DC area, though a four-team round robin could a a bit dicey to arrange.
12/13/2013 12:26:15 AM - Bigfan - 1,992 posts (#14)
Wax Daddy said it brilliantly: pussitude, combined with the holier than thou attitude first embraced by JT Senior at Georgetown, who reportedly had a notorious drug dealer somehow linked with his team. Yet sanctimonious and hyprocritical as hell.
Meanwhile, the local media never has the courage to call them on it. Never ever, despite seeing how great the BB&T match-up was this year. Just afraid to tell the truth.
12/13/2013 2:56:12 PM - the sons of liberty - 215 posts (#80)
Those are good ideas, Orel.
12/13/2013 3:50:40 PM - Monument - 515 posts (#39)
GW, AU, Howard, UMD, GMU, and Georgetown are free to schedule whoever they want. If the Hoya don't want to participate, it could still get done w/o them.
12/13/2013 4:47:05 PM - Poog - 3,337 posts (#5)
Sadly, not much incentive for Turgeon to bring Maryland into that fold either unless the move to the Big Ten negatively affects their standing in the DMV.
12/13/2013 4:54:04 PM - Macchiato G-$$$
I imagine things like this don't happen without a lot of prodding. Is there a candidate in the area to act as the catalyst/organizer of such a local tourney? I don't imagine John Feinstein would be a good person for this job. I would guess he already tried to do something like this and ended up with the current BBT format, which is pretty much a failure.
12/13/2013 4:54:21 PM - The MV - 3,947 posts (#4)
Unfortunately, this cuts both ways. GW lost a game to American and it took nearly a decade for the schools to play one another again.
The issue is always going to boil down to matchups where one school has nothing to lose and everything to gain while the other school can claim the reverse. Gary Williams had the good sense to recognize that Children's Charities were benefiting from his school's involvement so he kept the Terps involved. Early on, Maryland played the tougher match-up on the first day which was usually nationally televised. When this exposure went away, Gary did not. Hopefully, Turgeon will not walk away either, but my guess is that he will.
Here's what needs to happen...turn the BB&T into a MTE where GW, Maryland, Georgetown and George Mason serves as the host school every four years. Separate from this, these 4 schools should start the DMV4. Each season, each school plays one another for the DMV4 title. If GW continues to play Mason twice a year, designate only one of these matchups as the DMV4 game and alternate years with each school as the home team. Alternate years playing home and away for each match-up. The good news is that the gap has closed to the point where in most years, none of these match-ups represents a "bad" game for the opponent. Georgetown playing at Howard makes no sense because there is little benefit outside of a presumably easy win. Georgetown at GW represents a quality win for Georgetown's RPI and tournament resume if they can pull it off. The phrase "there's nothing to gain and everything to lose" is being replaced by "chance at a quality win." Maryland has gone 5-5 against GW at the BB&T. Last I heard, they will be receiving a mint to join the Big 10. And, during this span, the Terps happened to win one national championship and made another Final Four. So, going 5-5 against GW really couldn't have been too detrimental.
It's time to put egos aside and recognize that this would be a great boon for area college basketball. There was a point in time where GW and Mason were far enough behind Maryland and Georgetown in the pecking order that an upset loss could be perceived as devastating. That time has passed. All four schools are reasonably close in ability to one another. There hasn't been a better time to make this happen than next season.
12/13/2013 5:14:47 PM - Poog - 3,337 posts (#5)
But why should Maryland and Georgetown concern themselves with what is a "great boon for area college basketball" when they can undoubtedly do the same thing by regaining national prominence? And why isn't AU part of this mix? Because they are supposedly inferior? Isn't that the Hoya/Terp attitude about us? I'd love to see a Philly type passion here but that is the consequence of a long tradition and what is probably a less cosmopolitan attitude about things. Would simply caution against holding one's breath.
12/13/2013 5:26:23 PM - Free Quebec - 5,048 posts (#2)
Macchiato - strange defenition of failure. It's been going for close to 20 years and raised a ton for children's chairities. If you had told Feinstein from the beginning that the BB&T would continue for almost 2 decades, I'm sure he would have taken that in a heartbeat and considereed a great success.
I'm good with playing AU (better than playing Maine).
But go back to NJ Colonials' initial post. It's all up to Georgetown.
12/13/2013 5:31:10 PM - G-Dubber - 111 posts (#120)
I think most of agree on this board that DC should create something like they have in Philly. Imagine the local and even national press it would get. Heck, why not call it the Capital Cup or something corny like that. Unfortunately, the t*rds up the road from us are scared what may happen if they play us and LOSE. Remind me again whose 9-1 this year and top 4 in a strong basketball conference, and who has been a perennial 1st round NCAA loser over the past decade or so. Nothing will change though until JT3 leaves
12/13/2013 5:35:43 PM - Macchiato G-$$$
FQ I think I probably used the wrong words. What I should have said is that hardly anyone shows up for the games and, in the past few years at least, there's not even a champion. It's just a few games. It seems sort of a failure to me although, obviously, it's not a failure in the eyes of a lot of other people.