Filling the 3 Open Scholarships
Created: 4/9/2015 2:21:11 PMReplies: 70
4/9/2015 2:21:11 PM - Colonial NY - 95 posts (#158)
There are threads on all of the potential transfer targets at this point and I don't want to hijack one of those threads or the one about 2016 recruits to talk about the real scenarios for how the three available scholarships are doled out, so I've started a new thread. It would be interesting to poll the board as to what you expect to happen with the three and what you would like to happen.
Based on the names we are being linked to, I believe we could be looking at filling all three spots via transfers with 1 - 2 immediately eligible and the remaining having to sit a year. It looks like guards and big men are the focus - much to the hapiness, I'm sure, of many here who said those are the spots we need. And it looks like point guards are on the list so maybe ML envisions Joe McDonald and/or PJ getting minutes at the 2?
Mitola (immediate eligibility)
Roundtree (immediately eligibility)
Reed or Sina (sit out a year - with 3 / 2 years remaining of eligbility, respectively)
I would like to see us bring in a forward that is immediately eligible - from what I've read, Roundtree seems like a good fit for 20 or so minutes a night. Energy and defense being a priority for that spot since you'd have Larsen and Cavanaugh that can presumably provide offense in the frontcourt. I would then like to see a guard who has to sit a year take a second scholarship - the more I read about Marcquise Reed, the more I like him. Plus he has three years of eligbility left, which is an added bonus. Among the names we've been attached to, these two are the players I've liked the best so far (to be clear, I'm not saying other options are bad, just that I like these guys the best to fit with our team). For the third spot, I would be happy going either way with an immediately eligible player or one that needs to sit a year. Here I would like to see us grab the best player we can grab regardless of position - and I would happily entertain the idea of Nigel Johnson as he would help improve this team.
4/9/2015 2:37:43 PM - Kaj - 51 posts (#201)
I think they've gotta go all in next year. With that in mind, I'd say immediately an eligible big man (to play the post preferrably as opposed to more of a stretch guy), an immediately eligible off-ball guard to provide scoring and shooting off the bench, and Marcquise Reed. I think that'd take care of the biggest current roster holes while providing a very good three year guy to help build for the future.
4/9/2015 2:48:15 PM - gwfan - 111 posts (#148)
4/9/2015 4:30:02 PM - Lets go GW Colonials - 7 posts (#245)
Mitola? Really? Give him a ride and minutes over Hart? Foolish. Hart is easily the better player today. If Hart played 35 minutes a game of Ivy League basketball with his current body and skill set his numbers and offensive efficiency would dwarf Mitola. First off by not shooting those sloppy percentages. Hart is bigger at 6'2 185, plays bigger, way more athletic. You're talkin about a guy who can bomb it from anywhere in the zone and dunk with the best of them. He is a mystery to many on this board but not to those in the program. Hart did not give up lower level rides and likely First Team All American at D III to pass out gatorade in FB. He is humble and hungry. Ready to get after it. The truth is coming this fall.
4/9/2015 4:35:22 PM - THE DUDE - 526 posts (#49)
Watching Matt Hart at length on film, I was pleasantly surprised how big and athletic he in fact played. I know there's skepticism about Hart on this board, but I for one was very impressed and thought he looked great. The guy in fact has some above the rim talents, athleticism and shooting range, very impressive on film.
4/9/2015 4:48:42 PM - Lets go GW Colonials - 7 posts (#245)
Exactly Dude and that was a year ago, still 7 months till next GW tip off. Will get better.
4/9/2015 5:00:39 PM - THE DUDE - 526 posts (#49)
Another good point, LGGC. 1 more year to get stronger and better, true indeed.
4/9/2015 5:04:59 PM - The MV - 4,915 posts (#4)
I really hope that Matt Hart is the real deal but it's worth pointing out that the last time this board got super-hyped about an amazing outside shooter named Matt, the guy was far more proficient at religious fanatacism (as were his followers, and this was pre-Twitter) than at D1 college basketball. Just saying.
4/9/2015 5:20:21 PM - bobo - 3,177 posts (#8)
"Religious fanatacism"? I don't know what the kid did to you, MV, but sometimes you're just a dick bag.
4/9/2015 5:31:48 PM - Bo Knows - 705 posts (#37)
So the next time we recruit a player who strongly believes in his Christian faith and his parents come here and read that MV thinks they are religious fanatics, I am sure that will go over real well and absolutely enhance GW chances of landing said player.
4/9/2015 5:39:45 PM - Hugh - 209 posts (#104)
Actually, MV, totally not worth pointing that out.
4/9/2015 5:45:01 PM - Willie - 36 posts (#216)
I am convinced that MV sees this as his personal playground and is content to break all the equipment. But look at the bright side MV. Those "religious fanatics" probably wouldn't engage in the point-shaving you were so concerned about last year.
4/9/2015 5:58:26 PM - The MV - 4,915 posts (#4)
You folks have very short memories.
4/9/2015 6:54:13 PM - doug sandels - 783 posts (#35)
I got your back 100% on this one, MV. I'll consider any production from Hart a bonus.
4/9/2015 7:01:40 PM - Let's go GW Colonials - 2 posts (#250)
Not to worry Hart is a scorer not a shooter. A bonus it shall be.
4/9/2015 7:08:37 PM - ziik - 2,952 posts (#9)
He still may have to change his name so as not to offend you-know-who, though. I suggest he choose Jesus. (Mark, Luke and John being problematic)
4/9/2015 8:25:45 PM - Free Quebec - 6,341 posts (#2)
I am very excited to see what Matt can do. I am buying the hype about his offense but obviously he will need PT to adjust to game speed on defense But I am hoping he really is a special story.
Two years ago, we had to drink every time an announcer said Manu Ginobli. This past season, it was drink every time the announcer said "4th D1 played from Japan". I'm hoping "d3 transfer" is said so often that it's the new GW Hoops drinking game.
4/9/2015 8:31:45 PM - THE DUDE - 526 posts (#49)
4/9/2015 8:47:11 PM - thinker - 2,816 posts (#11)
As my good friend The Dude would say "Hart has a real shot at contributing to the team next year."
I would tell him it's almost unprecedented in this era of extensive HS scouting for someone completely ignored out of HS to jump from DIII to one of the toughest conferences and be able to really contribute. So maybe he has a 5% chance.
The Dude - see I told you he's got a real shot.
4/9/2015 9:09:10 PM - THE DUDE - 526 posts (#49)
I agree, the odds are typically very long in these cases. Have you watched film on Hart? I had the same view until I did. Look, he still has to prove it at this much higher level, I'm just saying to watch film on the guy is to become a believer. I am now a believer, but I recognize historically the odds are long in these cases. Better to be a believer than a Belieber.
4/9/2015 9:22:19 PM - thinker - 2,816 posts (#11)
I haven't seen film - I'm not sure what kind of film there would be that would show something like game conditions against something like athletes at this level. Is there film of a hard fought scrimmage against his teamates at GW? During the Hobbs era I was friends with a guy that Hobbs often turned to for scouting info etc. I started to go to a few HS games with him on scouting expeditions. We started looking for film and sending it back and forth. My friend is the one that found Mikic and told Hobbs about him. This is what I learned from that experience:
1) NO ONE should hire me to scout players
2) Film doesn't exactly lie but it often doesn't tell the whole truth
3) After crowning Jonathan Davis as a real contributor based on his HS videos - I swore I wouldn't comment confidently about any prospects prospects based solely on me watching film
So I will loudly cheer Hart on. I will be excited for him and for GW is he can contribute. And I will wait for the games to see.
4/9/2015 9:39:19 PM - THE DUDE - 526 posts (#49)
Those are some good views, I basically agree. There's extensive video available on Hart, its been commented on at some length by a variety of people on the board me, included. I believe all of the pro-Hart folks noted that its clearly against DIII talent, but that Hart looks great, and judging a guard and his skill set is not quite like seeing a big guy feast on lesser talent. Note, that D3 game film is a higher level of caliber than most HS game film, but that is to say that none of film resembles A10 level of play/caliber of athlete, makes all of this a tad tricky.
That's an interesting backstory about Mikic, who did at least make some valuable contributions as a Colonial. What do you think was missed there projecting Mikic?
4/9/2015 10:47:31 PM - thinker - 2,816 posts (#11)
I think Mikic started out in some funky prep school in New Jersey that closed. Steve Alford who then was at - I believe New Mexico really wanted him. He switched to a prep school I think in Charlotte and for whatever reason schools didn't really find him. He was only at that school for a year but logically he would have been heavily recruited because he had real good size, was smart, and was a great shooter. I guess it was a fall through the cracks a bit case. When Hobbs heard about him he sent an assistant right away to see him play. They went after him hard and he agreed to come to GW. From the time GW found out about him to commiting after a visit to GW was only two weeks. When Mikic visited GW and came to a game, I infamously got mad at the student section because they wouldn't chant some message I prepared on slips of paper to convince Mikic to come. My other foray into recruiting that is likely to never be repeated.
4/9/2015 11:41:05 PM - THE DUDE - 526 posts (#49)
That's pretty damn funny Thinker, tough to get a student section do just about anything. As for Mikic, interesting that in the end, he probably took the most important GW shot of the last 7 years.
4/10/2015 7:15:00 AM - Colonial NY - 95 posts (#158)
Now that we've covered Hart's video footage and the recruiting efforts for a player that's already graduated - how about folks discuss who they'd like to fill these last three scholarships. I like KAJ's all in to get two immediately eligible players and then try and get Reed who would sit a year but then still have three years of eligibility. That would be a pretty ideal scenario. I think it could be tricky to find a guard willing to come in for one year since there isn't an obvious spot to start and no guarantee of minutes, whereas a big could come in for the season and know they can probably get 20 to 25 minutes in a three-man rotation with Larsen and Cavanaugh up front. Convincing a guard to come in for this one season might be trickier because the minutes might not be as obvious. That said, a guy who can light up the scoreboard will always have a place to play with plenty of minutes as long as he is committed to defense and the work ethic is there. It'll be interesting to see how things shake out and whether we do get Reed or Sina and if the Roundtree talk is accurate. I think there are enough players out there that while losing Savage for next season, we still can be good enough to be a Tournament team next season and depending on the transfers coming in and the 2016 freshmen recruits, we have a real shot at putting together a sustained run of success.
4/10/2015 8:31:54 AM - herve - 9,162 posts (#1)
- JJ Brade
- JJ Brade
- JJ Brade OR Matijia Debevic
4/10/2015 8:42:13 AM - Kaj - 51 posts (#201)
NY, great points. I'd think the top selling point for any guard coming in would be sixth man role, since after Jorgs bench minutes are wide open for the taking. But yeah, it'll be tough to balance the microwave bench scoring they need with ML's committment to defense. It is early so hopefully something opens up, but they've got a long way to go before they can be considered a contender for the A-10 title next year.
4/10/2015 9:08:11 AM - bobo - 3,177 posts (#8)
I like that Matt Hart can score off dribble as well as coming off screens for 3s. Jordan Roland can also score in multple ways. Hart didn't look like he was playing a ton of defense in the videos and got beat on a drive by some slow white guy from some DIII school. Obviously both Roland and Hart had free rein to take a bunch of shots in their teams offenses. But what happens when either one of them comes off the bench for GW, misses a shot or 2 and gets pulled? Can they find a spot in the rotation at 8-10 minutes/game where they are in and out with out the ability to shoot their way out of a slump? That's an unique skill to have and probably imposible to project for a recruiter looking at someone who's "the man' on his current team.
4/10/2015 9:38:54 AM - Long Suffering Fan - 4,104 posts (#5)
One expression I have heard ML repeat over and over again during the course of the season is that if a player is not scoring, he has got to be able to help the team in other ways. (This was frequently leveled at Kopriva, who often had a tendency to stop rebounding when he wasn't scoring). Admittedly, I don't know why everyone is getting so excited about Hart, who came to GW with the understanding that he had the OPPORTUNITY to make the team and may not even be on the roster this upcoming system. Not sure what has transpired since his transfer from a D III school that now has so many posters excited. Remember...just about anyone playing high school basektball can hit a 3 point shot. It is just not that far of a shot (at least for now. It is the ability to be able to get your shot off against good D-1 competition that is the key. Cal me a doubting Thomas (no, not that Thomas), but I still need to be convinced about Hart.
4/10/2015 9:42:38 AM - Bo Knows - 705 posts (#37)
It's been said here for perhaps 100 times, after the first 50 or so players in the year's recruiting class, everything else is crapshoot. That said, I really like Roland as noted many times here and think he will contribute early. As for Hart, I am less sure but willing to see what happens. There is no downside to seeing if he can contribute. It is often said that the DIII guys are often more fundamentally sound than their DI counterparts. They usually just don't have the size, speed, athleticism. I will tell you this - most kids in DIII can shoot the ball decently well - I am talking bigs and guards. If this was H-O-R-S-E, Hart's Hamilton team might run this GW team out of the gym. But of course, it's not H-O-R-S-E. So I expect Hart will be able to shoot it so really the big question for me (as Bobo implies above) will be whether he defend at this level? And that's why they play the games.
4/10/2015 10:14:44 AM - thinker - 2,816 posts (#11)
in honor of Colonial NY's request that we discuss one completely hypothetical subject which is completely whimsical and does not effect or control anything instead of another story which is whimsical and doesn't effect or control anything I give you the real question:
Which Jessica would you most like to sleep with?
4/10/2015 10:25:25 AM - Bo Knows - 705 posts (#37)
Thinker - let me try each for one night and then I will let you know!
4/10/2015 10:54:43 AM - Lets go GW Colonials - 7 posts (#245)
LSF 8 years ago an NBA MVP was playing HS ball under the noses of all the geniuses on tobacco road, not one of them, especially the modern day dean, Coach K, saw the potential. Steph Curry was the recruiting miss of the ages. Does it make any difference now who recruited and offered Steph? How about Jeremy Lin? Extreme examples for sure but the point is coaches miss and kids get better. In Hart's case 18 months between Hamilton and GW games will be telling. Give credit to ML for recruiting this guy onto the roster and selling him on the opportunity of playing big time ball vs lower level D I where he had offers. ML fed the beast and he knows it. Hart gave up alot to take this shot. All risk to him none to the program. He may be the hungriest kid on the roster. On top of that he has skills to compete at this level. The abilty to score speaks for itself. A vertical jump in the high 30's will be a huge weapon at both ends of the court. Other intangibles are part of the package. The truth will be revealed.
4/10/2015 11:11:57 AM - Mentzinger - 3,648 posts (#7)
Is this like a fantasy draft?
4/10/2015 12:19:35 PM - thinker - 2,816 posts (#11)
Let's Go -
If Hart can really play it will be one of the great stories of the season - ESPN, print, local tv etc. I hope you're right.
4/10/2015 1:51:31 PM - Long Suffering Fan - 4,104 posts (#5)
I hope LGGC is correct, of course and that Hart is Jeremy Linn or Steph Curry that were overlooked by the bigger programs. Speaking of being overlooked, perhaps the most extreme example was David Robinson. The correction I will make, however, to LGGC's comment, and someone correct me if I am wrong, is that if I am remembering the reports correctly, Hart was not recruited to the team, but rather came to GW with the promise that he would be given the opportunity to make the team. I will stand by my original statements; however that (1) shooters are a dime a dozen...what is far more rare is a shooter who can get off and hit his shot at this level; and (2) that if you are going to play for ML, you need to be able to do more than just shoot...you need to rebound and play defense also. I am not saying that can't do these things, but rather I am saying that at this point, I don't know how anyone could say that he could based upon his play in DIII.
4/10/2015 2:03:40 PM - BM - 5,674 posts (#3)
No need to go that far LGGC. Marcus Thornton of Bishop McNamara slipped under the radar and ended up at William & Mary where he scored 2000 points and earned honorable mention all-America honors. Winning accolades at the PIT right now.
4/10/2015 2:28:52 PM - thinker - 2,816 posts (#11)
Jeremy Lin still did go to Harvard which had become a decent program and Curry to Davidson a good program. It's not clear at all that David Robinson wasn't recruited by a bunch of big time schools but he wanted to go to the Naval Academy. Robinson also grew something crazy like 4 or 5 inches when he was at the Academy. In fact if he was his final height after HS the Academy wouldn't have taken him in the first case. And the difference between good enough for Davidson and being good enough for Duke is not as wide as good enough for DIII and good enough for the A-10. Doesn't mean that Hart won't be great - just that those comparisons don't really work.
4/10/2015 2:43:02 PM - Johny football - 1 posts (#251)
mitola is defiantly better than Matt hart mitola was a all ivy player and shoots and the lights out u guys are so dumb. D3 basketball is a lot different than d1. Mitola could start for us I played against his brother they both are sick.
4/10/2015 5:38:52 PM - lets go GW Colonials - 7 posts (#245)
Thinker my comment was simply coaches miss, athletes get better. I used those extreme examples to make my point. JF Mitola is a fine player however he shot 38% from the floor and 36% from three, that is not lights out. Hart shoots it better, is bigger, is a far better athlete and has a much greater upside.
4/10/2015 5:44:49 PM - THE DUDE - 526 posts (#49)
LGGC + 1... on several points actually. Anyone know other success stories about guys who began at D3? My vague recollection is that several do exist.
4/10/2015 6:15:00 PM - lets go GW Colonials - 7 posts (#245)
ROY of the NESCAC last year, Hamilton's conference, transferred out from Williams after frosh season and is on scholarship at Michigan. It was obvious Hart and Duncan Robinson were under recruited based on their success at lower level. Its not just stats its the way they play and the high likelihood their game will translate at a higher level. ML and John Beiline saw the light.
4/10/2015 6:25:18 PM - THE DUDE - 526 posts (#49)
There's an excellent example LGGC. I bet there are plenty of other examples, not so sure its the lottery ticket odds some are describing. Almost all of the D3 players, yes, ...the vastly overtalented D3 stars...I think some can contribute at D1.
4/10/2015 6:40:58 PM - BACCAS92 - 703 posts (#38)
I will Bite. Moses Malone in his prime to help Larsen. Clyde Drexler in his prime to help at the 2. And Irving Magic Johnson in his prime to play PG. Current Guards would start and Magix and Clyde the Glide would come off the bench so the current guards don't transfer.
4/10/2015 6:46:32 PM - LA Fan - 1,526 posts (#22)
As this video will show, putting the ball in the basket is only part of the game. These guys at AU obviously knew how to make some long distance shots. But there are those other things such as beating your man off the dribble, staying with your man defensively, and getting open and having a quick release that are necessary to be a great player in the A10 and in the NCAA's. There are some great shooters in the Patriot League, the Ivy League and in DIII. Of course I, like everyone else here am rooting for Hart and Roland to play big for GW, but I'm realistic about what it takes too.
4/10/2015 6:46:35 PM - Free Quebec - 6,341 posts (#2)
here's another way to look at it. We have had guys who contributed for us who dropped down to D2 or maybe d3 and when they went down there, didn't exactly light it up the way Hart did. Now I realize there could be a big difference between D2 or some NAIA leagues and Hamilton's league, I don't know, but still think about it.
Cartagena was overmatched in the A10, but he did make some plays for us. He dropped to I think D2 and didn't even average double figures and still had a Low FG%. Tamal Forchion and I think another guy I'm blanking on went to West Georgia and its not like they were leading scorers in their league (tamal especially was a legit player, just not a star after Ron rollerson broke Tamal's ankle). There are plenty of examples
4/10/2015 6:53:51 PM - herve - 9,162 posts (#1)
Darnell Miller also went to West Georgia State and did terrific. How did Jackson Payne ever end-up doing at Christian Brothers College?
4/10/2015 7:08:21 PM - Let's go GW Colonials - 2 posts (#250)
Not to worry Hart is a scorer not a shooter. A bonus it shall be.
4/10/2015 7:13:41 PM - Bigfan - 2,825 posts (#10)
He brought great hope when unleashed in exhibition games.
Can entertain ourselves over the long offseason with a thread someday about our numerous 3-point shooting specialists who went south, literally and figuratively.
4/10/2015 7:24:21 PM - THE DUDE - 526 posts (#49)
When you watch film on Matt Hart, he looks like a D1 athlete, looks really out of place in D3 games. I agree until proven at this level, its hard to project, but Hart looks like a legit athlete. Some might presime his game is just exceptional skill in a D3 level athlete, actually he's a really good athlete, with pretty good skills, you can see it readily watching film.
4/10/2015 7:38:04 PM - Long Suffering Fan - 4,104 posts (#5)
Jackson Payne...the purest shooter ever at GW. From somewhere down South. Entered GW the same year as Francisco diMiranda of (I believe) the Netherlands. Was shocked to learn when I first say both that Payne was white and diMiranda was black
4/10/2015 7:43:56 PM - THE DUDE - 526 posts (#49)
4/11/2015 5:47:09 PM - Lets go GW Colonials - 7 posts (#245)
Interesting to note Kethan will likely be replacing Alex Barlow who went from freshman walk on to senior team captain and starting point guard. This year scored 304 points with 88 assits. Yes coaches miss and kids get better.
4/11/2015 7:39:00 PM - Stuff - 93 posts (#160)
Start lowering expectations on Reed suiting up anytime time soon.
Per Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein: RMU transfer Marcquise Reed told @CBSSports he will visit Tulsa (4/17-4/19), UMass (4/24-4/26), and USC (5/1-5/3). Also considering Clemson.
4/11/2015 7:46:37 PM - THE DUDE - 526 posts (#49)
We can't bring a local talent back home over those schools? I'd be a lot more concerned if I saw a true blue blood heavyweight, cmon we can win out over Tulsa and Umass!
4/16/2015 9:58:00 AM - BM - 5,674 posts (#3)
4/16/2015 10:08:17 AM - BM - 5,674 posts (#3)
I like this guy more and more. Member of the Polish national team. Shoots 40% from 3, Business major, injured six games into the season. And then there's this
4/16/2015 10:22:29 AM - Hugh - 209 posts (#104)
I would love to see a Polish flag in the Smitty, but there may be a line for him. Twitter stalking those who followed him, and he was recently followed by coaches at: Penn State, Kansas State, Ole Miss, BYU, Rhode Island, UNC Wilmington, Miami (Ohio), and Marshall.
4/16/2015 12:11:07 PM - Buff - 24 posts (#228)
The only thing I can't figure out is if Matt Hart is "all that" which I believe he very well might be, why has ML not given him one of those scholarships? His dad might be Donald Trump, but I bet you if GW didn't give Donald's talanted son a scholarship, he would be a little pissed. Matt is not your typical walk on, meaning just happy to be a practice player and get a minute or two if we are up 30. It sounds like that ML is trying to replace Kethan's spot with immediate elgibility guard, not move Matt up the depth chart. Whoever ML gets is a scholarship player not coming to play 8 - 10 minutes a game. Matt is use to playing 40 minutes a game, and taking a ton of shots. I hope Matt Hart made the right decision. It would be a shame to waste a year of elgibility after sitting out a year. If Matt was my son, ML and I would have to have a serious sitdown. If I didn't like what I was hearing, maybe have to start looking for a new home.
4/16/2015 12:16:21 PM - BM - 5,674 posts (#3)
I hear what you're saying, but I think ML in on sound footing to delay the decision until the kid has actually played a minute (or a season) in division I. The Harts will be well within their rights to open the discussion if he's playing significant minutes in next year's A-10 schedule.
4/17/2015 9:58:34 AM - BM - 5,674 posts (#3)
Huge few days for @GW_MBB coming up. Visits, workouts, and most importantly, ACADEMICS! Future is blindingly bright. 😎
— GW Hajj Turner (@hajjmalikturner) April 17, 2015
4/17/2015 10:00:13 AM - BM - 5,674 posts (#3)
AFAIK, Sina and Rose over the weekend and Mitola monday/tuesday and I'm sure there are others. I'm guessing Mitola is the backup option if we don't fill the two guard spots.
4/17/2015 10:38:22 AM - Long Suffering Fan - 4,104 posts (#5)
Don't know about you, but notwithstanding the understandable (and always welcome) puffery in Hajj's tweet, I am very pleased to read it, as I could not tell if in fact we were getting close to signing anyone or if the transfer talk was nothing more than the usually spouting off by you knuckleheads on this site. Of course visits don't equal signings, but we do appear to be headed in the right direction.
4/17/2015 12:06:39 PM - thinker - 2,816 posts (#11)
I think the frenzy arround the "transfer recruiting season" is different than regular recruiting. A lot of schools are already done for 2015 and those that still have scholarships are racing to fill them. The transfers themselves understand thay have to make a quick decision because nobody is going to wait around very long for a transfer -they'll just give their scholarship to someone else. It's a lot like musical chairs - nobody - schools or players want to be the one left standing.
Also many schools have their players in summer school so there's not a lot of time before that happens.
2016 kids we're recruiting have every ability to let things play out until the signing period this fall or not sign and let things play out next spring. Transfers need to get a spot quickly.
And finally getting these kids in for a visit isn't to show them a good time and send them home with a friendly "well you think about it and let us know when you're ready to decide." It's more like going to the auto dealership - they figure if you leave without commiting then they likely aren't going to get you so they PRESS the kid to commit right then and there. It wouldn't be that crazy for a school to tell one of these kids - Commit right now or we're moving on.
So for all of that I'd guess that GW has a good chance of getting aplayer or two this extended weekend.
4/17/2015 12:46:05 PM - BM - 5,674 posts (#3)
Arlando Toro is also visiting this weekend.
4/17/2015 1:33:04 PM - Long Suffering Fan - 4,104 posts (#5)
Thank you Thinker. What I don't know about the recruitment process can fill volumes. Are transferring students who visit more likelty to have narrowed down their choices? How patient can a school like GW be in making a selection to a kid willing to commit, if that kid is maybe a 2nd or 3rd choice, with the first choice not yet committed. Are there still any decent high school seniors out there who have not yet committed or may have decommitted due to coaching changes? I would love to bring in another frosh, as this incoming class does not seem to be too strong. In terms of the list of who is visiting, I am facinated by the specificity of the list that BM provides. Where are people getting this information from? Are they pulling them off of Twitter or some other internet source. Do they have anonymous insider information? For BM and those others who seem to be "in the know" much more than the rest of us, who do you believe we have the best shot at getting?
4/17/2015 1:55:11 PM - thinker - 2,816 posts (#11)
I think it's unlikely that there are any good 2015 kids that GW could recruit at this point. Good players mostly have to be identified by the end of their sophmore year in HS as target for your school. You go at them really hard their whole junior year and hope to get them somewhere from the end of their junior year and begining of their senior year. The longer into their senior year the go unsigned the tougher change you'll have signing them because if you were right and the kid is a really good player, by that point everybody is after them.
Most of the news on who is visiting does come from twitter. You have to follow about 15-20 guys at most and you'll get all the information. What makes BM so spectacular is that he's right on top of it and he remembers who we recruited two years ago etc. You could do it but it's a TON of work.
Most transfers do narrow down their choices pretty quickly - unlike a HS kid who can be pondering a dozen schools if he wants. But one reason to narrow it down is that tells dozens of interested schools to stop bombarding the player with all kinds of messages, calls, calls to coaches, etc. But the main reason is that it's to hard to assess too many schools in that short of time period. As far as how long can GW wait on a first choice if a second choice is willing to commit. Only ML can answer that. But it depends on how good each player is; what the coaches think their chances of getting the first choice are, and how critical that spot is for GW. BTW all schools have to make those kinds of calculations ALL the time in regular recruiting.
4/17/2015 4:13:54 PM - Thomas - 1,146 posts (#29)
LSF, if you check the twitters for verbal commits, Jeff Goodman and Marcus Helton you can get a lot of information about local and national players who are transferring and committing to schools. I'd assume that GW would like to have any transfers or possible late high-school signees locked up by the first summer session, so the players can take classes and experience life on GW's campus. So there is no hurry for GW to have a transfer commit at this point because there is about 6 weeks until the first summer session starts, and even more players will transfer.
4/18/2015 9:08:13 AM - Mike K - 1,170 posts (#28)
couldn't have asked for better weather this weekend for our visits!
4/18/2015 2:38:28 PM - thinker - 2,816 posts (#11)
It will be interesting how the transfers effect how we recruit for 2016. I would think that if Sina comes - sitting out next year and then having two years left we would have less chance of getting one of the high end 2016 point guards we're recruiting.
4/19/2015 6:28:44 PM - Mike K - 1,170 posts (#28)
Eric Cobb, 3 Star 2015 PF, 6'8" 235, St Francis (MD), just decommitted from Kansas State. I don't recall us recruiting him, but he is a local big body that is now available.