GW 65 DUKES 63 RECAP
the dude
 3/2/2017 6:48:39 AM      Replies: 78

the dude1/18/2017 9:04:54 PM

Held on, just barely. But, a BADLY needed win.

Thoughts? Observations? 

invictus1/18/2017 9:07:18 PM

well that was a closer shave at the end, then I had hoped for

 

tmj1/18/2017 9:11:23 PM

Team looked a lot better early with Jair and Sina and no Hatt or Roland.

Roland and Hart if the shots do not fall bring nothing to the table, and today neither guy shot well again.

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ost1/18/2017 9:18:55 PM

Any news on Yuta? Mojo's been playing him big minutes. He deserves a few games off.

swish1/18/2017 9:27:31 PM

prelim word is Calf for Yuta

high flyer1/18/2017 9:32:30 PM

Tyler before be choked back to back 1 and 1's in crunch time actually had a solid game, 11 pts 10 boards on 5-6 shooting.

the dude1/18/2017 9:37:48 PM

7 blocks between Toro and Yuta.

5 points 5 boards 4 blocks for Toro in just 19 minutes, one of his better games.

7-13 from 3 from Jaren and Yuta. Dukes shot 4-21.  Good defense or just good fortune??

Jair playing the 1 most of the night, Sina to the 2, worked well early, declining results as the game marched on.  Is that the plan moving foward? If so, I'm on board with it.

 

gw alum abroad1/18/2017 9:39:35 PM

Duques' board. One fan aptly points out the telling stat (and it was not Sina's answered prayer)

tmj1/18/2017 9:48:22 PM

I'll on a limb and say  ....."19% from 3, 54% from the line"

herve1/18/2017 9:55:28 PM

Having trouble spelling sad and shameful. Please help.

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ziik1/18/2017 9:59:53 PM

How about methodical and predictable? 

From what I could see on a tiny screen, there seemed to be go hurry up to the GW players. It looked like none were hungry for playing time or points, as though they were assured of court time, regardless of results.

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hugh1/18/2017 10:04:55 PM

Is MoJo going to set a record for starting lineups used in a season? Considering he spent so many years with Lonergan, he sure differs on many philosophies. (just an observation, not a criticism).

the dude1/18/2017 10:07:29 PM

Jaren Sina has plaed 2,250 College minutes in his career.  0 block shots.

Incredible stat, but sort of a revealing one as well.

dmvpiranha1/18/2017 10:09:14 PM

Wasn't able to catch the first half so I won't write a full recap for the game. Looked okay in the early part of the second half but played awful the last five minutes of the game. Mojo's coaching down the stretch has not really been all that good this season, and that's why I'm still not convinced he's the long term solution. That 10 second violation on Jair in the backcourt with 2 minutes to go should just not happen under any circumstances. Duquesne wasn't even putting that much pressure on us! We almost lost to a pretty terrible Duquesne team that played consistently out of control. Can't say for the entire game, but the poor shooting on their part in the last part of the second half was good fortune. We left their players wide open at times and they clanked most of their shots. Coming out of the under 4 media timeout we turned the ball over on a sloppy pass when the game was tied. Not the kind of play you want when you have the timeout to draw up a play. They started making the wide open opportunities that we gave them. Castro got going from behind the arc. Lewis started driving to the rim and as usual we couldn't stop him. He is a solid find for them even though he missed a lot of shots today, his game looks a bit like Isaiah Canaan.

Apart from that, glad Jair started today and Jaren played more of the 2. Sina was able knock down some key shots and his FTs at the end were the only reason we won. I honestly think he's more comfortable not playing the point constantly. Jair will make some mistakes as to be expected (he had one really bad pass that went over Yuta's head) but I think it will be worth it in the seasons to come. Really hope Yuta is okay. Can't say I'm optimistic even the next couple of games if he's out. He is our best player on both ends, and that block he had on Lewis lowered Duquesne's confidence for the remainder of the game. Glad we have a week off before the Mason game for him to heal. Nice to see something from Patrick today. Looks to be healthier, but he doesn't really play any defense at all. Interesting that after there was a heated Roland vs Hart debate, neither is getting significant playing time now and both are coming off the bench. There were several shots that Kevin rimmed out underneath that was just pretty bad luck. Tyler had a nice double double but I think it's safe to say we should let Jaren shoot the crunch time free throws if possible. Arnaldo tends to foul a lot, but you can't help but be impressed by the four blocks today. Smith didn't play all that much in the second half, so not much to say. 

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rkelley1/18/2017 10:11:56 PM

The team just looks sluggish and confused. It's frustrating watching them, and I clearly see some frustration in them, from the coaches down to the players. Running at about 60% right now.

I think this was worse than what we had before in terms of offense. Applying a new scheme takes time, true. But the Duques are a pitiful team, and they played like it tonight. That's the only reason we squeaked this one out. Our offense was totally and utterly ineffective tonight, worse than ever before. We hit our three's early against a horrid defense, great, but we were flat-out lost the rest of the game when the opponent was doing everything in their power to just give us free points. All kinds of turnovers and bad shots. That second half looked like a pickup game I play after work sometimes. Luckily Duquesne is so inept they can't even make wide-open layups and jump shots.

I think Sina profiles best as a shot guard--but he's still the best point guard we have. I think he and Jair should split time at the 1. At the same time, Jair is clearly developing into a player I can see leading this team as a point guard as early as next year. His dribbling and ball-handling looked better tonight. Still, he doesn't look quick enough or comfortable enough to create space with the dribble and make aggressive passes. I'd also rather have Sina at point with Roland on the court, than Jair on the court along with Sina and no Roland.

Hart looks tentative. It's even visible in his dribbling. He continues to pass-up up open shots to take bad jumpers.  4 shots in 8 minutes is a better rate than usual, but they still fit the aforementioned pattern. This is not him. When he's confident and loose he's cocky and makes deep 3's, dunks it, makes tight passes. He takes what's given to him. Need to get him right, he's a senior and a valuable weapon.

Can't tell much in 6 minutes, but Steeves' defense is clearly bad enough that I've had my fill unless he starts hitting three's suddenly. Non-athlete, doesn't really hustle (visibly). At least try hard.

I'd like to see more Jordan Roland. He's a playmaker. 11 minutes.

Yuta and Tyler are really carrying this team at this point. Toro was solid tonight, the blocks were nice though I'll say that most refs would never let us play so physically. He would've foulded out with Clarence Armstrong--then again a straw dummy would've too if it were wearing a GW uniform. The 11 fouls and 6 turnovers in his last 47 minutes are overshadowed by his other stats, but I still feel I saw a better player at the beginning of the year. Perhaps a more focused and engaged one. Maybe he and Smith are cooling off a bit now that the excitement of being new to college basketball is wearing off. Need to re-engage and get their energy back.

Like the way Marfo/Toro/Smith were mixed up tonight. Marfo is a good player defensively. His scoring skillset is totally raw and ineffective right now though.

 

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hugh1/18/2017 10:16:14 PM

Steeves is basically playing without legs. I don't think it's an effort issue.

tmj1/18/2017 10:17:25 PM

GW is a lot better when neither Hart nor Roland are playing major minutes. The early season debate was a silly one.  Both guys at most can add a bit of offense here and there, we will not win many A10 games asking them to defend for 30 minutes. Simply put, when their shots do not fall they add little value. Even when they do, you are sacrificing defensively to have them on the floor.

rkelley1/18/2017 10:18:02 PM

All that said, I'll take it. It's a W. Good job fellas, keep grinding. Raise High!

hugh1/18/2017 10:21:03 PM

Roland is one of the team's better defensive guards. Hart, on the other hand, had his guy basically walk by him tonight but got bailed out by a Marfo block at the rim.

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rkelley1/18/2017 10:22:45 PM

Well then Steeves shouldn't be playing. Get him healthy because he's ineffective.

@TMJ

That's a lot to ask. GW is a team thin at guard. MOJO is forced to play freshman Jair Bolden for 30 minutes at a time at point guard as is. And we're  going to be better *not* playing Jordan Roland, the team's leader in ORTG and one of the tops in the conference? And also not playing senior shot guard Matt Hart, who is the team's best shooter and one of their most efficient scorers last year?

Is Jordan Roland perfect? No, but tell me who--or what combination of guys--should make up the 80 court minutes at 1-2?

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long suffering fan1/18/2017 10:26:15 PM

Nearly of each of our players tried their hardest to lose the game for us, however Duquesne was just too bad.  It a shame that one team had to win this game.  Suggestion for GW...the game lasts 40 minutes...15 solid first half minutes just doesn't cut it.

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hugh1/18/2017 10:30:18 PM

Steeves played 6 minutes tonight and had a nice basket in the post, a nice pass to Smith for a dunk and forced a turnover in the backcourt. Yes, their guard did make him look foolish on that pullup. But I'd say that's a rather effective output for 6 minutes of play. He did have some value.

rkelley1/18/2017 10:31:14 PM

Roland's 117.8 ORTG places him 7th among 89 qualified players A10 conference right now and is highest on GW's roster.

Hart's 116.9 ORTG was second on GW's roster last year to Cavanaugh and he shot .421 from 3PT.

Roland's defense has been fine. He gets shot over, but he's no liability. He gets his steals every game, keeps his body between the ball and the hoop for the most part. Who's the upgrade over him defensively? He's one of the team's best players this season, gotta play him. If he turns back into a frog at midnight so be it, but right now he's been a stud and seemingly it's not a fluke.

rkelley1/18/2017 10:33:52 PM

@Hugh

Steeves isn't good right now. 6 Minutes of him at the time is worthless for this team. Not saying he can't be good. If he's injurred, leave him out for a couple of weeks and get him healthy. Get his shot back, get him playing defense to an adequate level, get his legs moving. That fail tonight is something that happens to him everytime he plays and it's evidently because of his injury. So get him healthy.

hugh1/18/2017 10:35:03 PM

And not to turn this into a big thing, but I think it's a bit of a low blow to tell Steeves to "at least try hard." The kid missed his first three college seasons due to injury. I'm sure the rehab from the multiple surgeries wasn't a vacation for him and he tried plenty hard to get back on the court. And he's obviously not 100% now but is still suiting up and going out there, and provided some production tonight in his limited chance.

rkelley1/18/2017 10:37:49 PM

1. Sina 20, Bolden 20

2. Jordan Roland 20, Hart 15, Sina 5

3. Watanabe 30, Roland 10

4. Cavanaugh 30, Toro 10

5. Smith 18, Toro 12, Marfo 10

rkelley1/18/2017 10:38:56 PM

@Hugh

I didnt' realize his missed his first 3 seasons because of injury. My bad. Said it in passing.

hugh1/18/2017 10:48:09 PM

Yes, I feel bad for him. Unfortunately I think we may be seeing the most we'll get in terms of getting hs legs moving. Maybe he can find his shot again.

We can agree to disagree about his 6 minutes of use tonight. But I think he provided an overall plus.

Does this qualify as my first gwhoops feud?

And look, it's possible to be civil.

robsmithoasas1/18/2017 10:55:32 PM

Courtesy of GW Alum Abroad:

Duques' board. One fan aptly points out the telling stat (and it was not Sina's answered prayer)

"Good defense or good fortune?" was asked by a Duquesne blogger. It certainly was NOT good defense by Gdub!

"Key statistical note: GW is horrific defensively. In conference games, they are 14th by a wide margin in defensive efficiency (117.3), effective defensive FG% (57.7%), defensive 3 point % (44.8%) and they don't force many turnovers....."

If Yuta's out for a protracted period going forward, things will not get any better, even against the weaker A-10 teams.

 

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rkelley1/18/2017 10:56:25 PM

I just read up on Steeves--stress fracture and torn ACL.

http://www.wbur.org/onlyagame/2016/01/30/patrick-steeves-harvard-basketball

Well regardless, I'd like to have him not playing and recovering rather than playing injured, badly, for 6 minutes a game. Small doses of playing time, with all of the practice and pre-game prepping is going to let the injury fester. Small sample fine, but by every available measure, he has been the worst player on the team who's actually played. Last year he was an above-average offensive player and defensive player and one of the Ivy's most efficient three shooters. Get him healthy and back to that level, sit him for 2 more weeks.

rkelley1/18/2017 10:57:46 PM

@Hugh

Agreed, fair. His 6 minutes tonight, in a vacuum, was fine. I just don't like him playing in small doses and below the level he showed last year while healthy. It feels like a waste.

rkelley1/18/2017 10:59:44 PM

@Hugh

It's not a feud if I apologize and agree? Or is this the feud--the feud over the feud.

hugh1/18/2017 11:05:21 PM

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2016/02/19/after-injuries-patrick-steeves-emerges-harvards-6th-man

Here's another story on Steeves that should make everyone a fan. Can't imagine going what he went through.

pembo1/18/2017 11:07:22 PM

My observations:

1.  We were lucky to win.  If you were at the game, you know what I'm talking about.

2.  Yuta was the main reason we won.  15 points on 5-9 shooting including 3-5 on his three-pointers.  3 blocks and 5 assists.  In addition, he shut down their leading scoring, Lewis, who went 3-11.  When there was big shot, a big block, or a key pass to make, Yuta made.  Hope he's not badly injured.

3.  Jair was poor.  His shot selection was bad and he had a number of defensive lapses.  When Duquesne swithced to man-to-man, Jair didn't run the offense well at all.

4.  But let's not lose perspective.  Despite his poor game, he looks like he belongs.  This is not an end of the bench guy like I suspected.  He might be a decent starting point guard by next season or maybe even by the end of this one.  Not every freshman point guard can be as solid as Joe was (and even he struggled at times).

5.  I noticed that Duquesne went after Toro down low early and often.  They had some success, but Toro hung in there despite being in foul trouble throughout.  He ended up with 4 blocks in 19 minutes.  

6.  I was disappointed that Tyler didn't get more touches when the Dukes went man-to-man.  In the zone, they were swarming all over him, but once they went man we should have worked harder to get him the ball in the good positions he was taking up.  On one possession, Yuta got him in the ball in a great spot with a sweet touch pass, which Tyler converted.  We could have used more of that.

 7.  Our man-to-man defense did not impress me.  Even early on, Duquesne had lots of good looks, but couldn't convert.  During stretches of the second half, they shredded our defense.  I was surprised we didn't go to a zone.  But to the team's credit, we tightened up the D down the stretch (or maybe Duquesne tightened up).

8.  It looked like we did change things up a little defensively in the second half by trapping occasionally.  Collin was running out to double team on the perimeter, for example.  I didn't see that when Toro and Marfo were playing.

9. Marfo continues to improve.  He has a ways to go, but I like his progress.  His one assist came when he pulled a trademark offensive rebound and instead of a trademark turnover or stuffed shot, passed the ball to an open player for a nice jump shot.

10. Winning ugly at home against one of the weaker teams in the conference suggests more trouble ahead.   The good news is that we have a pretty strong freshman class, and it's going to be fun watching all four of its members develop.

 

 

 

 

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hugh1/18/2017 11:08:01 PM

Let's call it a quasi-feud. 

(all of this is in jest). 

bigfan1/18/2017 11:33:07 PM

Is there an NCAA statistic for leads blown?

We'd be near the top.

Has to be taking its toll on the aging GW hoops fan base.

Really glad we won, but as LSF pointed out we did everything we could go give a supbar Duquesne team the game in the second half. Only their ineptness shooting their many wide open but missed threes, etc. kept them from taking it.

Had a decent shot at the end that would have won that, too.

Lack of timeouts to stop other teams' runs.Brain farts in the final couple of minutes like a 10 second violation that still far from half court. Missed one and ones. Inexplicable turnovers like passes going through someone's hands.

Don't know why we swoon so regularly. Would have thought it was tiredness, but outside of maybe Tyler, there was a lot of rotating in and out.

Not a good win. But good to celebrate any win.

However, we've got to figure out why this happens. Or at least figure out a way to stop it. For 10-25 minutes a game as LSF notes, we look confident and at times, unstoppable.

If we can't negotiate an early end time to our games with the league, have to figure out how to play hard and smart and capably for the required 40 minutes.

haha1/18/2017 11:33:19 PM

we changed our offensive scheme tonight and it didnt work well. Continuous pick n roll with only rolling. No pick and pop in the second half I feel like. The spacing looked awful. Players are standing high above the corner and free throw line extension, which made guards space more crowded, but should make post players lives easier. Unfortunately, we just keep on pick and rolling, low post game gone. We all saw the result when Tyler attacked.

We beat the zone pretty well with Tyler on the court.

Duquesne just kept jacking up nad shots. They can't just say it's bad luck. When the offense is freelancing amd chaotic, the team should not be making too many shots unless there are full of GREAT players. Not the case for Duquesne. 

Ugly win overall, made me worry more about the upcoming games.

I hope Yuta only cramped and had a light muscle strain

the dude1/19/2017 12:09:47 AM

By mid to upper level A10 standards, do The Dukes have enough quality players to be a good team? No.  Does, GW? No.

1. GW now has 7 very close wins, many by 1 point, all by 5 or less.

2. The losses have all come to teams with a better RPI and none by less than 5, most by double digits. 

 Any Coach in America would have trouble doing much better with our roster at the moment. This Coach is at least winning ALL of the very close games, things could actually be much worse.  The time to have realized where we were heading this season, was the past three years when GW failed to bring in nearly enough good players. 

Having not done so, the moment graduation hit the Core 4, we were in for a huge slide. Welcome to that reality.  Now that we're here, might as well embrace the rebuild.  

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the dude1/19/2017 12:11:22 AM

* many by double digits that is

gw731/19/2017 12:14:56 AM

Dude -- Good post. Didn't see yours, as I was writing mine for a new thread on 7-0 record. You are right that  things could be much worse. We need player development and seriously good recruiting as we rebuild to have any hope to get back to contending for an A-10 title or NCAA berth.

gw 731/19/2017 12:32:02 AM

Well said 73, well said indeed.

the dude1/19/2017 12:34:05 AM

the above post was mine, apologies 73.

gwg1/19/2017 1:01:13 AM

Ive missed the past few games, saw the incredibly fun and energetic game that was Richmond and saw the second half of this one. The thing that gets me is how inconsistent this team is. Davidson, even if they arent great this year, is still a pretty good team with pretty good players, and they are a team we played pretty well against and beat. That game was sandwiched in between the St. Joes game where we blew our lead in teh second half, and the Richmond game where we didnt really play at all for 30 of the 40 minutes. Ditto for the Miami game, only decided to play in the second half. I missed Lasalle and VCU, but from the stat line and reading here they seemed like incredibly fun and energetic games as well.

To your point Dude, things could be much worse, but they could also be much better. A number of our losses have come after either blowing leads in the second half, or after not playing in the first, digging a big hole for ourselves, and then coming up just short in the second half. The players on this team are individually talented- Tyler is Tyler, Yuta is Yuta, Sina has had some great games, Roland was having so many great games that people on here started comparing him to Steph Curry, Hart was a good role player last year, and the freshmen have all shown themselves to be pretty talented if rough around the edges. From what I see, our problem is not a lack of talent, its that the team has had alot of difficulty marshalling that talent. 

We have good players, but they dont all fit together well. Sina might fit better as an SG instead of a PG, but if you do that then Bolden is starting over Roland, and even when Roland is cold like he is now I'd take his shooting ability over Bolden's, so you are downgrading the team offensively to maybe improve a little at PG. I like Bolden and what he'll be able to do in the future, but if there's an open look from deep I'd rather Roland (or Hart) be taking that than any of our other guards. On the other hand, our ball movement seems better with Bolden at the point, so the team suffers in that respect if he isnt in.

This is going to come across as heresy, but I thought GW played much better when Yuta was injured than since he came back, and I think that has to do with the lineup. Yuta is a very good player, and this is not a knock on his playing ability, and I do not fault him- I think its more a factor of the ripple-effects of him being reintegrated into the starting lineup. Minutes change, roles change, I think all of that threw the team off and everyone has been off-balance since then. We're seeing alot of lineup changes because none of the lineups seem to be working particularly well (credit to Mojo that he's trying to find something that works), that has the downside of continuing to keep everyone off balance.

The team seems to have lost its rhythm. Throughout most of OOC, even when the team didnt win, there seemed to be a certain flow to things. Now that all seems off. Ive seen GW players running into each other on plays, I feel like I wasnt seeing that earlier in the season. I am not sure this is a function of the A10 being a whole lot tougher than the OOC, my gut tells me Duquesne is not a whole lot better than Temple or Harvard or UCF, and is probably quite a bit worse. We lost to VCU by 30, our worst loss of the season, how does VCU compare to Top-10 ranked FSU, to which we lost by 20 after having played 2 games in 24 hours. Yes the A10 is tougher than many of the teams GW beat in OOC, but the team seems to be playing worse.

I cant really offer a solution. Part of it seems to be energy and focus, the other part seems to be team cohesion. It seems to me that these have become bigger problems lately. 

Anyways, enough ranting from me for one night.

 

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topgw1/19/2017 1:14:35 AM

The only difference between the team when Yuta was injured and the team with Yuta back was JR shooting lights out. TC was still forcing up a lot of shots at a low efficiency and Sina was Sina, dribbling the ball for most of the shot clock and not playing defense. No one expected Roland to continue to score 12+ points shooting 60+ % from three. It was more a regression to the mean. 

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the dude1/19/2017 2:33:51 AM

Thoughtful good post GWG, as you can see we don't entirely agree. My thoughts are pretty close to GW 73's pithy summation. Here's my own less pithy version:

Some of our Freshmen as they develop I'm optimistic may grow into high level A10 players. They are not the issue.  The lack of recruiting 3 straight years has left with just 2 currently developed high level A10 guys, and that's the source of our very pedestrian record. 100% of what would have been the current HS recruited senior class from 4 years is gone, and 80% of what would be our Juniors from 3 years ago is gone.  I'm less bullish on the Soph class of Goss/Roland than some.

We have 8 guys who didn't play a single minute last year, and 2 more who played just a handful. We returned 2 players who played regular meaningful minutes.  Those 2 predictably are high level A10 players right now, the same can not yet be said of the other 10 guys.

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tuna can1/19/2017 5:03:42 AM

in honor of surviving the Dukes game on only a 1/3 of a bottle of wine, I post my thoughts, which I turn over to The Speghetti Western Orchestra....

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

Stunningly bad news... Yuta. I can only hope for the best.

The Good is and will remain the depth that we have in the paint--maybe not at all experienced, but the 3 freshmen give us 15 fouls and the ability to weather a trio of learning curves. For me, GW is all about holding it together and building for next year.

We have learned through either adversity or coaching modification and experimentation that Jair has some decent D1 upside. Of the two guys coming in, I say that Justin is a great addition. He is a 6'4 point guard who can take it all the way or shoot from the outside. At the HS level, he is a coach on the floor... driven to win. This gives us a number of nice match-up combinations. 

I can feel the pain on watching the current team. Terrible possessions on the offensive end. What we are seeing is the occasional block or steal that gives one hope for a "better day." Toro, Marfo and Smith, if they hang together at GW, have a chance to be the talented end of the triple headed monster. When they develop their skills to stop guys on the floor from getting position, the blocks will be huge. That just takes time. They all are athletic and go at least 225 now. If they come back next year at 235 to 245, it will start to be a challenge to score on us in the paint.

Whom ever ends up coaching this team next year has to add a 3-4 scoring forward to replace TC just for one year. 

Are we lucky? Possibly, but more likely this is what happens when you have two free throw shooters who can catch the ball and hit 90 percent or there abouts. Sadly, on the "come from behind" side, we don't have the experience to make a late run when down. When you see a young team start to do that, then you know that you have something special and that's what we had with the Garino group late in the season their freshmen year.

Blaming the recruiting is a bit light. To get 4 guys in a year that are going to get significant minutes for all four years is strong. With the fiasco, we already signed a couple of guys who most likely produce at least one solid player. 

I totally expect that the players here at GW are going to become a viable group... when? I don't know, but I think that they know it. All I know is that wise college fans adopt passions for things like Single Malts for a reason.

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fredd1/19/2017 6:53:41 AM

Right on Dude. whether ML is St. Francis or Hanibal Lechter of Bowie. We lost a look of people AND this points up a real challenge or pattern at GW. It seems a new coach's foundational class is his first class at least it was for Hobbs and ML. (Not to say important guys didn't come later.) Anyways my point is that talent that puts us in the top 4 in the A10 is so hard to recruit. (duh). So whether its the system, the coach, the talent alot of the guys who left did not APPEAR as though they could play in the A10.

So ANY coach at GW has to take chances it seems to me ML as evidenced by Dude's stats had too many wash outs. The one that kills me is Paulie who I think would have been a great fit for Mojo. He is a risk taker, loose, free, fun. Why the heck did he pick GW and why did ML recruit a guy like him to play the flex?

BTW my biggest concern going forward is Yuta's health and GW's ability to keep the freshmen front court.

 

 

 

 

 

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yikes1/19/2017 7:00:19 AM

A much needed win against an atrocious Duquesne squad.  Very fortunate to have played them last night and pulled out the win.  One can only imagine the tenor of this message board had the team lost (which it almost did!).  The team is clearly underperforming and not living up to its potential

herve1/19/2017 7:36:55 AM

I think the offensive focus going forward should be to hit all of the '3s in every game because it's reasonable and helps the team stay competitive. Every night, all fans, should rightfully expect half of our points come from '3. See how easy it was to right the ship! Let's get started on winning out!

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mentzinger1/19/2017 7:38:05 AM

When you blow a 16-point lead at home to Duquesne and almost lose if not but for a desperation 3, there aren't any more guaranteed wins on your schedule. We have a full week to prepare for George Mason, but there's no improving defensive foot speed. We probably could work on our lack of interior passing and lack of motion on offense, setting solid screens, and stuff. But not thrilled at what I saw last night.

174.204.15.701/19/2017 8:18:58 AM

Excellent analysis Pembo.  I wasn't as high as others on Toro despite his blocked shots.  Thought his overall defense was quite poor

squid1/19/2017 10:11:46 AM

Why did Smith play so little? Hurt? Didn't look good?

the mv1/19/2017 10:40:28 AM

We won the NIT Championship last year and we're STILL talking about the lack of talent over the past three years?  Amazing.

Well, we jumped out to a double digit lead, hitting our first 7 of 10 three pointers, and I was preparing in my mind for this post on how this was a well-needed blowout that should hopefully give the team some confidence heading into games against Mason and St. Louis.  But then we got cold and only hit 4 of our final 15 three point attempts.  I spent the rest of the game wondering what plan B was going to be offensively.  Nothing ever materialized.  Someone must have told Tyler he was taking too many bad shots so he took 6 for the game.  Isn't there some middle ground here?  Yuta continues to bail this team out which is great for his progress but a little too dependent given my druthers.  If he misses any extended time, these next two look a bit more difficult (though the team did play well without him earlier in the season).

I thought we were outworked in the second half.  Duquesne grabbed 9 offensive rebounds after grabbing only 4 in the first half.  GW definitely played some good defense at times (9 blocks for the game) but just appeared flat footed at times.  When the Dukes started coming back, we just didn't fight hard enough to prevent it.  Instead, we had that "we've seen this before" mindset which speaks to a lack of confidence.  It's become a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy...opponents gain confidence that they can come back on GW because they know other teams have done it, so they play with this confidence that they can do it too.  And, our team, knowing that it's happened to them again and again, has not proven to be mentally tough enough to overcome it.  All things being equal, there isn't a single reason why GW did not win this game by double figures.

Last point regarding Jair...please give him some slack here.  Both Carl Elliott and Joe Mcdonald are examples of two point guards who made mistakes as freshmen and got vilified here much of the time.  Point guard is a very difficult position to effectively transition to coming out of high school.  Jair has and will make mistakes but I would change the assessment that he is "not good" to "not good yet."  He does do some things well and more importantly, which are desperately needed by this team.

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endzone921/19/2017 11:07:02 AM

I agree with MVto  give Jair some slack.  I thought he had a nice game for a freshman and was hustling more than any other Colonial on the floor.  I don't blame him for the 10 second violation either.  Sina had the ball first and did his classic "backwards dribble" putting himself farther away from the half court line as the seconds clicked down....

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invictus1/19/2017 1:56:23 PM

FreDD, GW73, The Dude +1000

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50.206.18.331/19/2017 2:20:17 PM

Jair isn't a PG. His handle is very loose and he makes bad basketball decisions with the ball. He's more of you prototypical combo guard. More of a 2 than 1. But can't shoot it very well. Defensively, he plays the part but gets blown by alot by opposing guards, I think there's a chance he could be solid down the road but right now not ready to be a PG. 

high flyer1/19/2017 4:10:24 PM

Well summarized Fred.  I honestly do not think there is a single Colonial fan who doesn't agree to the root of our current circumstance deep down, taking away the agendas and spin.  Or maybe some just dig down to the original position they took or want to take, and dig in no matter how clear the evidence.  Missed on like 90% of our recruits. GW has two good players, one has battled injuries and the other as good as he is, is not a very good defender. But they are good, need more than two. A lot more.

 

ziik1/19/2017 4:21:15 PM

The GWU game recap says the game was on Japan TV, nationally. That's got to help recruiting.

gw alum abroad1/19/2017 4:39:32 PM

Was it really on in Japan, because those of us not at the Smith Center missed the first 10 mins because there was no feed. Not via the A-10 site not via the GW one. 

class of 051/19/2017 4:46:49 PM

Shame is might have been best 10 minutes from GW in a few weeks, and the feed was down.  A season of pain to the fan base, one more little thorn in our sides

high flyer1/19/2017 5:41:06 PM

Maine posted this on another chain but it got buried, its good data.  This would be kind of great if the young players were beating out older players because of talent, but really they just stepped into personnel voids because we had so few guys returning:

Sports Reference has a stat for each team's average years experience weighted by minutes played.

It looks like this team is by far the youngest since Sports Reference began calculating this stat.

2010-12 2.7 years

2011-12 2.9 years

2012-13 3.0 years 

2013-14 2.9 years

2014-15 2.7 years

2015-16 2.5 years

2016-17 1.2 years

This is the youngest GW team by far.

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friend of mojo1/19/2017 6:00:49 PM

High Flyer and MC...are you kidding me??? The guys that should be playing for GW this year would give us one of our most experienced teams ever! Tyler(5th year senior), Yuta(3 year starter), Hart(5th year senior), Sina(4th year junior), Steeves(5th year junior).  Keep trying to sell us that the team isn't talented or experienced but no one is buying your BS.    The team won 28 games last year and Tyler, Yuta and Hart were a big reason for that.

high flyer1/19/2017 6:18:24 PM

you don't sound like much of a friend of Mojo.  those decisions are Mojo's decisions. Maybe you forgot which identity you were posting under. you are wrong of course, but you are also no friend of Mojo's

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maine colonial1/19/2017 7:22:10 PM

Foe of MoJo: Did that team start one or two freshmen each game? And I like Matt but he averaged 8.8 minutes and 3.8 points a game last year. Feel free to answer with all caps if that will help you vent.

ruserious1/19/2017 7:29:30 PM

It's quite obvious who Friend of Mojo is---there is a certain writing style that gives it away, if you've ever read anything written by this person (emails etc). When is that lawsuit being filed ML?????

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gw 20121/19/2017 7:32:47 PM

That 2012-2013 ML team that had Lasan Kromah, Zeke Armwood, Kethan Savage, Mikic, Kevin Larsen, Joe McDonald, Dwyane Smith and Pato Garino, lost to:

1. Youngstown St.

2. Mount St Mary's

3. Rutgers

4. Bradley

Lost 17 of 30 games. OOC results were worse, far worse. Then capped year by losing 7 of 9 last games.  

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gw 20121/19/2017 7:35:48 PM

and yes it seems very obvious who "Friend of Mojo" is

maine colonial1/19/2017 8:13:45 PM

Can we shorten your name to FoeJo to save typing?

gw 20121/19/2017 9:32:20 PM

That team by any measure on paper was better than this year's squad. Lasan Kromah, Zeke Armwood, Kethan Savage, Mikic, Kevin Larsen, Joe McDonald, Dwyane Smith and Pato Garino.

losing 17 of 30 that year was ML's worst Coaching job. the very few here pushing the Mojo blame  Narrative this year should recall that season well.  Some of the same few people here felt the last two years big time underachieved with the squad we had but really the team's talent was about where it ended, a low NIT seed.

 

 

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the dude1/19/2017 9:48:48 PM

 

Here's another. How many games did this staring 5 win? 

Chris Monroe, TJ Thompson, Pops, Mike Hall and Omar Williams. ...........

If you guessed 12-17 you guessed right.  That's right, one of GW's best all time players, TJ and one of GW's finest ever Freshmen classes combined for a 12-17 season.

 

 Anyone see a trend here? Two very good veteran players paired with asking too much of too many Freshmen has equaled losing GW seasons.  

 

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thomas1/19/2017 10:36:39 PM

We need to remember that the 2012-2013 and the 2002-2003 teams had a culture of losing which was built up from prior years. So even though the 2013 team had Armwood and Kromah, and the 2003 team had Chris Monroe and T.J.Thompson, the losing culture was hard to overcome. Also the 2003 and 2013 teams had 3 freshman starters(just like this team) who most of us knew would be real good. That's where the similarities end because this is more of a reloading situation because there is now a winning culture at GW with the 3 straight postseason appearances, respect from national outlets, all the wins against BCS teams over the last 3 years, and being viewed as an upper-tier A10 team!! Those other 2 instances were ML and Hobbs trying to resurrect a fledgling program and establish a winning culture. Even if ML was coaching this team, there would've been the same problems because he was replacing three 4-year starters who were great players. It doesn't matter how great of a coach you are, replacing that type of production is going to be tough, especially if you've missed on recruiting targets and some of your incoming players aren't quite as good as expected.

We've seen how dominant Dayton has been in the A-10 since Archie Miller took over, but next season he's going to have to replace 3 or 4 seniors who have had a similar impact as the "Core 4 Minus 1" had at GW, and you may see them take a slight dip in the A-10 next year because of those guys being gone. Lon Krueger at Oklahoma is having the same problem this year because he had to replace a core group of seniors who led OU to great heights last year.

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gw 20121/19/2017 11:38:01 PM

To the few people comically being fooled into placing the blame on Mojo's coaching, please carefully read the above post, with emphasis on:

"Even if ML was coaching this team, there would've been the same problems because he was replacing three 4-year starters who were great players. It doesn't matter how great of a coach you are, replacing that type of production is going to be tough, especially if you've missed on recruiting targets and some of your incoming players aren't quite as good as expected."

Last year GW had two Point guards, Joe and Mitola, both gone. No point behind them. Had stars Garino and Larsen, the frontcourt behind them, Cimino Swan and Goss.  Hard to imagine a team more set up for a big fall. Add in how underwhelming tranfers Steeves and Sina have been. Anyone preciting not much of a drop banked on getting really good performance from Steeves and Sina. Hasn't happened.  

Funny thing about the whole Hart vs Roland thing, answer should be neither. Those two should be fighting for at most last man in the rotation, not who starts for GW at the two guard. The Freshmen bigs instead of having to compete for time with Cimino Goss and Swan have merely stepped into the void left by all of those recruiting failures. 34 minutes a night at the point were going to Sina because the team simply didn't have anyone else, even when you could how much he was struggling with pressure/incapable of penetrating against 330 RPI teams in the first few games.  

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high flyer1/20/2017 12:00:02 AM

Sina and Steeves have been GW's two worst rated defenders this year, lowest DRtg. Steeves and Bolden have been GW's lowest rated offensive players, Marfo next lowest and Bolden the 3rd worst defensive rating.  Add in Justin Williams who does not play.

Other than that, what is not to like about ML's newest additions to this team? 

 

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hitchens1/20/2017 10:35:02 PM

If you are a GW fan you should be looking for two things, because this team is not very good at the moment.

1. All wins, should be a cause of celebration. Just because you may have deluded yourself into thinking GW was going to be NIT caliber (wasn't that last year's team? seriously no drop off?) few if any wins are going to come easy this year, all wins are a good thing. This was a good win. Ugly but good, under that logic. I'll take any win this year, any win at all.

2. Player development.  Love Tyler, glad we have Sina, but this year should be as much as possible about developing for the future.  It would be a mistake to give Sina the ball on every possession for 35 mins a night, and have the offense overly Tyler centric at the expense of developing the young guns.  Things were not working well with Sina at the point all game and Tyler forcing things, but even if they were, scratching out one or two extra wins would not be worth sacrificing the development of players who are our longer term future.

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