BM10/25/2014 8:00:33 AM
Class of 2016 Guard Darnell Rogers (@rogers_shawnta) visits George Washington tomorrow! WGNRecruits.com
Darnell Rogers thread
BM10/25/2014 8:04:14 AM
BM10/25/2014 11:29:14 AM
at the scrimmage toay
Me1/21/2015 1:22:25 AM
The anonymous poster for the Ako Adams video was also me
maypoman1/21/2015 5:26:33 PM
The last 5'3" point guard for GW was the best overall GW player I've seen in my 50 years of following the team. I suspect his son won't be too small to play college ball either. Sign him up!
Bigfan1/21/2015 11:43:12 PM
Shawnta pretty non-commital about where his son might go, even though we honor Shawnta all the time, as we should.
He should bear in mind what GW did for him and what it can do for Darnell.
We have a built-in fan base that would make Darnell feel incredibly welcome from the start. A great place for Darnell.
Mike K1/22/2015 1:47:17 PM
according to this article. we offered
BM1/22/2015 2:03:34 PM
Many broken ankles in the first video in your link Mike K.
Mike K1/22/2015 2:13:21 PM
memories of his dad, btw, liked ur hat at the last game BM!
Free Quebec1/22/2015 2:18:37 PM
I realize there are a lot of posters on the board now who were too young to have watched Darnell's dad, Shawnta. For those who didn't get to see him, you missed something spectacular. It's almost unfathomable that the greatest player in modern GW history was only 5'4", but he really was. We are very lucky to have had him, especially since at least one service had Shawnta as a top 25 recruit, the highest rated recruit we've ever had to my knowledge.
Here's a video of his dad overcoming the flu to beat Xavier and win the A-10 regular season title with one of the great buzzer beaters in GW history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTYOKBnpX1U
I just wish there were more Shawnta highlights online becuase he was so amazing.
Whether Darnell comes here or somewhere else, college hoops fans will be lucky to watch him, too, I'm sure.
New Guy1/22/2015 3:00:46 PM
get his son at all costs!
MG'141/22/2015 3:52:29 PM
Nothing about him on ESPN. Handles look great, shooting looks good.
herve1/22/2015 6:31:54 PM
Those are the first game highlights I've seen of him! That is freaky! He plays JUST LIKE HIS DAD! The moves, the shot, the passing, the incredibly strong upper body, everything is the same. If he plays defense like him as well, look-out. Let me just add to what FQ said: at 5'4, Rogers averaged 6 rebs/game one season and had MANY double-digit rebound games. He almost had a triple-double in his first ever game at GW. This is NOT myth-making with the passage of time. If anything we are leaving-out tons of his exploits. Hands down the best GW player I have ever seen and could impact a game single-handedly more than anyone.
gonzo1/22/2015 6:49:17 PM
This pleases me greatly. His dad was in my frosh english class and I crashed the court senior year. Ready for more memories.
BC1/22/2015 6:53:37 PM
Yeah, but can he dunk? Just kidding. I liked his passing even better than his shooting and dribbling.
BM1/22/2015 6:54:49 PM
30 points in 11 minutes at Virginia Tech will always be his biggest Superman moment IMO.
BACCAS921/23/2015 4:01:00 PM
CPots1/24/2015 4:43:20 PM
Is apparently Aquille Carr's cousin... Really good bball genes in the fam...
BM2/3/2015 7:08:26 AM
Jr Darnell Rogers (@rogers_shawnta) finished with 42P in an Indian Land (SC) win tonight
Neil2/3/2015 12:59:35 PM
Bigfan2/3/2015 4:34:59 PM
This is so hard to take since anyone who saw Shawnta play knows how Darnell can have real potential at GW. Darnell seems similarly amazing.
Worked out great for his father. Ought to recommend that his son go to GW as well.
Florida Colonial2/3/2015 4:55:21 PM
Have we even offered him?
The MV2/3/2015 5:34:41 PM
Let's sign him with the agreement among all posters that there will be absolutely no comparisons presented on this board between Darnell and his father, unless Darnell turns out to be even better.
BM2/13/2015 10:06:37 AM
Justin Byerly @Justinbyerly
PG Darnell Rogers of Indian Land (SC) named Region 4 2-A Player of the Year.
Mike K2/13/2015 10:34:02 AM
WHEN, not if, WHEN, we get him, we need to also recruit a shooter who can hit an open jumper when he receives the dish from Nut Jr.!
Mike K4/7/2015 9:57:14 PM
anyone familiar with the team CP3?
BACCAS924/7/2015 10:54:53 PM
MIke K, does Kwame Evans also have a son?
BM4/11/2015 8:18:59 AM
PrepScouting (NCAA) @highmajorscoop
5-foot-3/Darnell Rogers from CP3 dropped 29 tonight! Unreal! #TNT
Florida Colonial4/11/2015 8:38:20 AM
Please coach we need him. Whether he turns out to be like his dad or not we cant let shawnta's son go anywhere else.
126.96.36.1994/11/2015 9:04:03 AM
DEA4/11/2015 11:03:29 AM
Get him at all costs.
BC4/11/2015 4:55:21 PM
Seems to have a lot of his Dad's abilities.
THE DUDE4/11/2015 5:40:36 PM
How great would this be. In some ways its like stepping inside a time machine watching his Dad play. Ages those among us that went to College with Shawnta, that his son is now a college recruit. Looks like he indeed has many of his Dad's great skills, including his absolute Uber Alpha Male floor presence. Like Herve said, Shawnta's astounding rebounding totals are among the great individual feats in GW history.
Bigfan4/11/2015 5:40:48 PM
We need Darnell.
Shawnta seemed oddly noncomittal to fans during Darnell's visit.
But hope he realizes how much GW did for him, took a chance on someone who other schools discrimated against because of his height--and see how GW opened his world. Literally to a great career overseas.
We can do the same for Darnell. And he is GW heritage, with his father in the Hall of Fame.
Be great to have Darnell there one day, along with his Dad.
Long Suffering Fan4/11/2015 6:19:07 PM
I understand that Darnell's dad just spoke to ML, who told him that he must commit now or he won't be offered, so he is going to Ohio U instead. (Most of you should know what I am talking about, other newer fans maybe not).
Poog4/11/2015 6:51:07 PM
It would be great if Darnell comes to GW because of how cool it was to watch his father play for 3 1/2 years. But Shawnta owes GW nothing concerning his son. I wasn't a scholarship athlete and couldn't have gotten in anyway, but I wouldn't have appreciated my parents directing me to Cal Berkeley or U of Chicago just because they went there. To each his own. Good luck to Shawnta's son wherever he chooses to go to school.
Mentzinger4/11/2015 7:28:30 PM
Miami (OH). Not Ohio U.
ziik4/11/2015 8:43:03 PM
Who discriminated against Shawnta? I was told waay back then that UNC offered him, among others. Not sent a letter. Offered. Whatever the truth is about Shawnta's opportunities, his son's exposure at GW would be enormous, given the paternal connections. All things being equal, GW could be a real help to him.
Florida Colonial4/12/2015 5:45:37 PM
FollowingJeff BorzelloVerified account@jeffborzello
Darnell Rogers is putting on a show for CP3. Son of former GW star Shawnta, can't be much taller than 5-foot or so.
Mike K4/12/2015 9:20:42 PM
Miami (OH)....shit...what the fuck do they have that we don't? Miami (OH)...I searced the inter-web for any related info and did not find any.
BACCAS924/12/2015 9:42:25 PM
Family ties mean nothing. When did Wally Szerbiak play for GW? Oh he too went to Miami of Ohio.
Long Suffering Fan4/12/2015 10:44:33 PM
OK, for you younger fans...Wally was the son of GW great Walt Szerbiak. Wally was considering GW among other schools. He had a conversation with coach Jarvis, who told Wally he had to decide that moment if he was willing to commit to GW, but Wally was unwilling to do so, and ended up committing to Miami of Ohio (which I mistakenly referred to as Ohio University...like there is really a difference). And that was my joke. No. Darnell did not commit there also. FWIW...Walt was one of the the all time GW greats...had a career in the ABA (before the merger with the NBA) and then went on to have a standout career in Europe. You will see Walt at all GW games/receptions in the NYC vicinity...an immensely approachable and likable person who will talk with you forever about GW, Wally, and anything else.
Long Suffering Fan4/12/2015 10:46:52 PM
And talking about family ties, I remember asking Yegor why his younger brother Nikita did not consider GW, and apparently they thought it would not be fair to Nikita to have to try to live up to the inevitable comparisons to Yegor had he gone to GW. Wonder if the same is an issue with Darnell having to play in the shadow of his father's reputation if he came to GW.
Mike K4/13/2015 6:23:23 AM
Thaks for the clarification on the Wallly/Nut correlation. I know the Walt and Wally story, and just figured your post featured a cruel coincidence. Needless to say, glad he is still in play for us.
BM4/13/2015 11:59:59 AM
"I love GW"
We love you too Darnell.
BM4/13/2015 1:02:59 PM
"I love GW"
The feeling is mutual.
(Posting this again since it didn't seem to catch the first time)
Florida Colonial4/13/2015 1:47:11 PM
BM thats music to my ears. Love it
Poog4/13/2015 2:40:02 PM
That whole article was a who's who of GW recruiting targets. Need for Rogers to "work in classroom" shouldn't be overlooked.
herve4/13/2015 3:46:12 PM
If I recall correctly Shawnta was a Prop 48 candidate who joined the team after the first semester ended in December. The odd-ball loop-hole in the regulation which allowed him to join the team has long since been closed. Grades were an issue with Rogers more than just height when he was being recruited.
THE DUDE4/13/2015 5:09:55 PM
Herve of course is right about Shawnta. The little man's quote is indeed music to the ears, so is seeing the Shawnta stat line in the article. The All time Great Holup may have been a 20 and 20 guy, amazing as that is, it wasn't quite as absurdly unusual back in the day as it seems today, but I'd still rank Shawnta's Senior stat line as GW's most impressive:
He won the Atlantic 10 Player of the Year in 1999 when he averaged 20.7 ppg, 6.8 apg, 4.0 rpg and 3.6 spg for the Colonials as a senior.
That steal total is top 10 in all of NCAA history. Across the board, just incredible stats.
BM4/14/2015 8:10:19 AM
EYBL I highlights
The MV4/14/2015 9:27:46 AM
Herve, it was actually his SAT score and not his grades that delayed Shawnta's arrival, Rather than attend a prep school, Shawnta chose to take the SAT again during the fall of what would become his freshman year in college. He subsequently qualified and played his first game for GW in December after missing the team's first six games. Shawnta was not a great test-taker but always had good enough grades to enroll at GW.
Shawnta Pops4/14/2015 9:56:40 AM
Wow. I'm impressed that the elder Rogers averaged 4 boards per game as a little dude.
Boston Colonial4/14/2015 10:11:39 AM
He was a complete basketball player, who got rebounds by getting to the spot first. He was so much fun to watch, GW was lucky to get him.
BM4/14/2015 10:27:38 AM
Pretty sure his senior season under Penders was his worst rebounding year. He averaged 5.7 a game in his sophomore season. Again, 5'4", max.
Long Suffering Fan4/14/2015 11:22:48 AM
As I said on other occasions, Shawnta had the upper body strength of a 6'8" poer forward. The combination of his strength and speed helped him get far more rebounds than one would have expected from a 5'4" player.
herve4/14/2015 12:07:01 PM
Rogers first game he nearly had a triple-double. He had double-digit rebounds multiple times through-out his career. Pound-for-pound you would be hard-pressed to find a better college basketball.
THE DUDE4/14/2015 3:28:13 PM
Indeed MV, it was the SAT, Here's how that went down:
His college-entrance test scores weren't high enough. But because of a learning disability that makes it difficult for him to read, he was allowed to take the test orally and passed in time to enroll at George Washington in the spring semester.
Built like an absolute tank and huge vertical. The rebounding was outstanding throughout the career, def in the 5's Frosh/Soph and how about that 21 pt, 7 assist, 3.6 steal stat line???
THE DUDE4/14/2015 3:58:20 PM
La Salle coach Speedy Morris on Shawnta after a game-winner at the buzzer:
"The best 5-foot-4 player who ever lived."
Poog4/15/2015 1:37:45 AM
Nice to know this was his 2nd offer. GW was apparently first.
@VerbalCommits 18m18 minutes ago
2016 Indian Land (SC) G Darnell Rogers has received an offer from UMES. (HT
@JamieShaw5) @rogers_shawnta http://verbalcommits.com/players/darnell-rogers …
4 retweets 1 favorite
THE DUDE4/15/2015 1:46:03 AM
This is a case where the Dad is so beloved by a community of fans, its actually meaningful to a son.
That outpouring of affection would immediately turn to the son. Leg up to GW in recruiting no doubt.
Mike Brown is a Tier 1 true all time great among GW greats, but if he has a son, not quite the same as Shawnta, the Dalai Lama of the GW program.
Bigfan4/15/2015 12:37:35 PM
We love Shawnta and we'll love Darnell equally or more. Chance to be part of a beloved family legend at GW.
Fan4/16/2015 12:07:18 PM
Fan4/16/2015 5:53:12 PM
my second choice after a transfer. But get both
Wax Daddy4/16/2015 6:18:44 PM
After seeing the "fan" continuously ask for GW to "get him", Lonergan acted immediately to seal the deal w/ Darnell. Get him, and him, and him- OH and him too!
BM4/21/2015 8:19:40 AM
VIdeo from game last season. 41 points.
herve4/21/2015 9:00:03 AM
MY BM! That video is just not fair! I swear it's 1998!
2cents4/21/2015 11:58:52 AM
My, he IS a crafty little fella.
ziik4/21/2015 12:18:52 PM
Nice hair, too. In fact I'd guess he is 3 inches plus of hair. I like it.
Recalling his father, I think Shawnta must have spent a lot of time on the speed bag (boxing). His hands were so damned fast. Almost as though he beat up his opponent, stole the ball, and was down court, before a ref saw a first "punch."
Bigfan4/21/2015 7:09:49 PM
This is tormenting me.
Come home, Darnell.
This is the place for you.
CPots4/21/2015 7:19:13 PM
+1 Come home!!
THE DUDE5/7/2015 2:18:44 AM
Shawnta's son is back at it:
CPots5/7/2015 4:52:17 AM
Late to the party, this was posted a month ago...
Umpleby5/7/2015 10:43:32 AM
what does Shawnta do these days?
thinker5/7/2015 10:56:26 AM
I wonder how much of a chance we have at any of the top 2016 pg's now that we have Sina for 2016-17 and 2017-18 and Paul as well.
BACCAS925/7/2015 11:14:56 AM
THE DUDE5/7/2015 12:56:50 PM
That's a video that Darnell himself tweeted last night, as far as I'm aware it hasn't been on this site and is 3x longer the the other video clip that was posted last month. Entertaining stuff, just like his Dad he seems to have no trouble excelling against much bigger opponents, amazing.
Shawnta played pro until somewhat recently, anyone know? Any recent Shawnta sightings on campus/contact?
BM5/7/2015 1:11:16 PM
Thinker, I wondered the same thing, but despite the youtube highlights and tweets, Darnell hasn't racked up offers yet. Coaches seem to watch him with amusement, but not many have had experience playing with (or even competing against) someone his size. We know better though.
thinker5/7/2015 1:45:32 PM
I agree BM - It's possible to integrate a 5'3" player into your lineup but it takes some out of the box thinking on the coaches' part. Shawnta was a freak of nature with his incredible stregnth, skill, and athleticism. Obviously he was just an amazing competitor with tremendous toughness. Obviously his son has some of those same features but it's hard to project or know for sure if he can do on the A-10 level what he is doing in HS. I think most coaches just aren't interested in having to rework their system to accomodate a 5'3" player.
THE DUDE5/7/2015 1:52:41 PM
Offers from just GW and UMES?
Igor.. not Yegor5/7/2015 2:16:37 PM
Of all the recruits that we have discussed on here over the last decade or two, this is the one I want the most. By no means am I saying that he is the most talented or will have the best career at GW.. just that he is the one I truly want to watch over the next four year at GW. I'm a Cavs fan and I think Kyrie Irving's name was brought up once for about 10 seconds before he blew up and went to Duke. Still, and I am being honest here, I would be more excited to get Darnell in a GW uniform than Kyrie (and I know that sounds ridiculous). My point isn't about level (although I suspect Darnell would do absolutely great here)... it's about family and coming home. Four year of college will inevitably have its ups and downs.. on and off the court. Things happen.. injuries, academics, girlfriends, etc etc etc. Both good and bad. At another school Darnell, like most kids, would be left to sink or swim. At GW, however, he would be welcomed with widest of open arms. Maybe I am wrong but I suspect the amount of love and institutional support from the school and fan base for this kid would be unlike anything that we have seen here in a long time.
One of my favorite students (I run a tennis academy for kids) has been conducting a very thorough college selection process for herself over the last year. To my delight, she proclaimed that she loves DC and wants to go to school there. She applied to GW, Georgetown and American and (as a straight A student) easily got in to all 3. She's a solid tennis player (as she lead her high school team to the state championship) but not good enough to play for either of the DC Schools. She dismissed American as her safety school and has been bantering around GW and Georgetown for several months now. Last week she sat me down and declared that she will be attending Georgetown in the fall. Broke my freaking old man heart.
Darnell... don't break my heart too... come home to GW.
THE DUDE5/7/2015 2:24:33 PM
Right on Igor, I 2nd this! I think we all feel extra invested in this particular recruit.
No GW player quite pulls on the heart strings like Shawnta, (and here someone so closely related and resembling him in so many ways) past present and future.
Rimhigh5/7/2015 2:40:34 PM
I completely 3rd the thought. I had the pleasure of meeting Darnell in Greensboro at the GW/Memphis game and sitting with him and Shawnta for the game. He seemed to be a very nice, low key kid. I know he is a lot more worldly than I was at that age having had the priviledge of growing up and receiving education in Europe. He belongs at GW and would be great for the program. I would like to see a pipeline of former player's sons start coming. Georgetown and Maryland seem to be able to make that happen.
THE DUDE5/7/2015 5:26:37 PM
Right on RimHigh. Lets indeed build that pipeline. Wonderful to hear of Shawnta and Darnell together at a GW NCAA Tourney game! May the next time that happens be with Darnell on the court in Buff & Blue and his Dad watching him in the stands!
The Other MG5/7/2015 6:53:16 PM
Great story,and great post, Igor. Seems like just the right thing to do for everyone. Plus, if he came to GW, it would once and for all confirm the power of this board................................jk.
Bigfan5/7/2015 7:19:11 PM
Wasn't it last year that Shawnta came here with Darnell? Think Shawnta lives in South Carolina, if have that right. Or one of the Carolinas.
This is the only true home for Darnell. He will be loved by the fans.
THE DUDE5/7/2015 7:24:59 PM
Fort Mill, SC - Darnell goes to Indian Land High School in Fort Mil.
May history repeat itself at GW with yet another Rogers.
Goo Colonials Go5/8/2015 11:42:59 AM
We should just replace the board with the first and third paragraphs of Igor's last post until Darnell makes a decision.
Poog5/23/2015 2:38:31 PM
squid5/28/2015 5:19:05 PM
He looks like his pop! Would love to see him here.
Fan6/3/2015 5:57:02 PM
what is taking so long for a decision.
squid6/3/2015 6:01:13 PM
How quickly did you choose a college? There's a lot to think about. I hope we get him!
Free Quebec6/3/2015 6:16:04 PM
Reading between the lines of Poog's 4/13 post, I am assuming it's going to take a while Fan.
thinker6/3/2015 7:02:33 PM
Darnell looks to be a really exciting talent.
For a player that size to play a major role on a team - let's say at the A-10 level, I'd guess that he has to have NBA 1st round talent in his 5'3" frame. Peanut was definitely an NBA 1st round talent - maybe a lottery pick talent. Tyler Ulis at Kentucky, albeit at 5'9"ish worked out well but he is also a top flight talent. I think a coach has to adjust a ton of things stylistically to make it work. There are going to be a ton of mismatch situations and many to the advantage of the opposing team. Depending on the other team there could just be disastrous matchups either way. It's hard to put a lot of eggs in that basket unless you believe the player is simply a dominating talent.
And when you have a player that size playing a lot then the story line is going to ALWAYS be that player. A coach is going to get his strategy and coaching challenged virtually every game that doesn't end well. Now maybe that mostly happens anyway, but I don't know how many established coaches would really want to take all that on.
I'm not saying ML wouldn't want him or that he shouldn't want him - just that taking him really requires a bunch of adjustments.
THE DUDE6/3/2015 7:09:47 PM
Many very undersized players have excelled in the A10 and been THE guy on their teams. It helps when you are built like a piece of granite like the Rogers clan.
thinker6/3/2015 7:20:53 PM
What is many? And what is very undersized? And was is excelled? And what is THE guy?
thinker6/3/2015 11:35:14 PM
Gosh you wanted to talk basketball and here I was asking basketball questions and making basketball statements.
Other than Peanut I'm not aware of any guys in the 5'3" / 5'4" range who have excelled in the A-10 and were THE man on their team. So I just wanted to know who you were referring to - Obviously there could be guys like that who I'm unfamiliar with.
And I'm not saying the we should or shouldn't recruit Darnell - Just that playing a player that size presents a coach with some real difficult issues -- unless the player is a high level NBA type talent.
THE DUDE6/3/2015 11:54:25 PM
I was hoping to avoid another Thinker hijacks a thread about GW basketball into an attack on The Dude's viewpoint. Thought we had enough of those.
What A10 fan really needs that Question answered? Kendall Anthony, Carl Jones, Kwamain Mitchell and Chaz Wiliams come to mind all 5 foot something, all really good A10 players in just the last year or 2, historically lots more. The A10 is something of a haven for these kinda guys.
thinker6/4/2015 12:41:06 AM
Asking about how many 5'3"/5'4" players there were under your specification in the A-10 doesn't seem like hijacking on a thread about a 5'3" recruit.
Kendall Anthony 5'8"
Carl Jones 5'11"
Kwamain Mitchell 5'10"
Chaz Williams 5'9"
So these guys are listed at 5, 6, 7, and 8 inches taller than Darnell. That's why I asked the very basketball question before of what does "very undersized" mean to you. To me in the A-10 I don't think 5'11" or 5'10" can really even be called undersized. 5'9" probably undersized not VERY and the same with 5'8" although one could quibble there. But here's the thing Chaz is is playing in the D-League. Carl Jones is playing pro ball in Europe as is Mitchell. Anthony hasn't graduated yet. So these guys are all significantly taller than Darnell and the three who have graduated are playing professionally. I stated at the outset that I thought you can be effective in the A-10 at 5'3" if you're an NBA level talent.
Your examples really argue against your position and for mine - the smaller you are the more talented you have to be to succeed in the A-10. Those guys are immensely talented and significantly taller. And at 5'3" I think you have to be immensely talented to make it work and you have to have a coach that wants to significantly change things around scheme wise to accomodate that player.
5'3" just isn't close to the same thing as the players you've listed.
THE DUDE6/4/2015 12:49:28 AM
Yes, I was well aware you'd do this. Yes, you've spent at least 6 weeks turning almost any thread into this type of thing.
"Very Undersized" was what I said, I'll leave it to others to decide if they think Kendall Anthony and Chaz Williams are very very undersized or whether the A10 has had plenty of good very undersized guys (or whether we should be concerned about undersized Darnell's height, its an issue only you seem concerned about, everyone else it seems would love to have him)
Bigfan6/4/2015 12:57:58 AM
This post,at least relates to our great Shawnta and his tremendous son. Let's keep it pure and focused on that and good thoughts. At least leave this thread free of bickering.
This is not a thread to be hijacked. It is a thread for when Darnell is ready to commit to the school that changed his father 's life for the better and will change Darnell's.
THE DUDE6/4/2015 1:01:46 AM
Haha, yes BigFan and lets extend that to any thread really.
thinker6/4/2015 1:41:55 AM
My points have all been on the point of the thread - Darnell and the issues that arise from a 5'3" player. I've said that height raises issues that can only be transcended with immense talent. I have no earthly idea how talented Darnell is.
Dudelaimon disagreed citing the examples of players who are a lot taller and 3 of 4 having established themselves as professional players.
He complains elsewhere - why can't we just discuss basketball? I'm asking him to do that and he calls it hijacking.
I could have said Dudelaimon's point was stupid or asked him if he was one of Bernie's Boys. But I didn't - Instead I just defeated his argument with basketball analysis and so he has had to seek refuge by evading the basketball points.
No hijacking needed here. How many 5'3" / 5'4" guys can we point to in recent years who were successful in the A-10 or elsewhere? Some? Give me some examples. None? Then say "good point Thinker" and move on. Just don't list professional players who are significantly taller than Darnell and claim that has any relevance.
Free Quebec6/4/2015 8:20:56 AM
marques green from Bona went about 5'5" or 5'6" and was first team all league I think Marsalious Basey (so?) from West Virginia just before Shawnta was also in the 5'6" range. But of course at 5'3", it's Shawnta and Muggsy Bogues and that's it.
Everyone thought Shawnta would cause mismatches for the opposing teams but he never did, even in the post because he was too strong for opposing guards to post up But his son is going to have to be a remarkable player to be as good as his dad
bobo6/4/2015 9:03:13 AM
While I think it's foolish to go after a recruit because you REALLY REALLY liked his father, I think we all knew what Dude was referring to when he said undersized players have done well in the A10 historically. Even guys like Kendall Anthony can be productive as a way undersized SG at 5-8.
Poog6/4/2015 9:24:42 AM
5'3" is significantly shorter than many of the other "Randy Newman" players being mentioned here so there is naturally a higher level of concern about recruiting Darnell Rogers, a concern greatly mitigated for many of us who saw his father star at GW. If Lonergan thinks he will succeed on the court and Admissions believes he can succeed in the classroom, then I'd expect GW to go hard after him. If either side of the GW equation is skeptical about Darnell's chances of success, then the school will be more likely to pass. I assume that most of us are hoping for the former. I would simply add what I hope for all recruits pursued by GW in all sports -- that the school and the situation is the right fit for them.
squid6/4/2015 11:42:14 AM
I think most of us have zero concern recruiting him because, like you said, his dad was an awesome player (and a great guy to boot) and, at least in my opinion, I am sick of people saying about athletes that they are good but they are too small. It's been proven time and again by players who people think are too small that they aren't.
Bigfan6/4/2015 12:44:24 PM
The point is for the Rogers family, in the event anyone does read this, that we appreciate and understand Darnell's great talent because of what his father did for GW--and most important in this case, what GW did for his father.
That should make Darnell feel more comfortable here, rather than face size skepticism elsewhere, because Darnell comes in beloved by GW fans.
There's no doubt against what seems to be challenging high school and AAU competition, Darnell is the man. Like his father, he can be the man here, while Darnell can make his own legend and name under a good guard-oriented coach in a comfortable, supportive environment.
ziik6/4/2015 12:50:17 PM
Lots of players are, in fact, too short to succeed. Not so with Nut. He seems to have been taught every skill imaginable to turn his size into an attribute, and I am certain his is passing those skills on to his son.
I always was impressed with his fast hands, and his ability to steal the ball. I am just about convinced that he hit his man two or three times to loosen the opponent's handle on the ball, but Shawnta's hands were too fast to be seen. (ergo, no fouls) He was just that quick.
THE DUDE6/4/2015 2:01:56 PM
Exactly Bobo (and others) the point is that undersized players have done well in the A10 and one could tell quite easily what the actual intent of picking on that phrase was.
Kendall Anthony was LISTED at 5'8 140 but is actually 5'6 128ish Some other good examples FQ brought up here too. Frankly there's some size at which I'm not sure that 5'4 and 5'7 is really a difference, the common thread of most of these guys is that like Shawnta and Darnell they are built like absolute granite walls. Chaz too. You can't even post up a guy that strong, you ever try to? I have, they're the hardest to post up oddly.
I'd be THRILLED to have him and that's the reaction the Rogers family would have if they read this thread despite a post or two.
THE DUDE6/4/2015 2:11:56 PM
Speaking of the Rogers family, this should really be here for them as well:
thinker6/4/2015 3:10:34 PM
Dude - I don't know what to say.
Kendall Anthony is only LISTED at 5'8" but he's really 5'6"? Says who where? How do we really know how tall anyone is? Is the listing with shoes or without? Until someone has been measured by independent people at a combine type situation or draft workout it's all speculation. And the presumption is that schools routinely exaggerate their players' heights. How tall is Darnell? Is he actually 5'1"? You can accept listed heights or you not - but you can't cherry pick the one's that you like and ignore the one you don't.
FQ has an amazing memory (MUCH better than mine). Green was listed as 5'6" and left Bonaventure in 2004 and has played professionally in Europe almost continuously since. GREAT professional player.
Marsalis Basey was listed at 5'8" and left West Virginia in 1994. He was a GREAT athlete as well in three sports. He played minor league baseball for the Astros. He was an excellent football player who supposedly could have been a DI fullback but broke one of his vertebrae and quit football. Yinka put him in the GW hospital with a tough pick in a game. He was a 2nd team A-10 player.
So yes - EXACTLY my point -- at that kind of size you have to be an immense talent to succeed. And there have been some little guys who had immense talent who succeeded. Peanut and 5 of the other 6 guys listed played professional basketball or baseball. Only Peanut and Mugsy has done so in the 5'4" range.
So disagree just to disagree if you have to but what I've said is Darnell would have to be immensely talented to succeed and I don't know one way or another if he is.
Also I don't really see the built like a granite wall physique in the photo above - maybe you have some others?
Here's his dad
Finally you couldn't post up a strong little guy in your driveway or intramurals? That's your argument why we don't have to ponder the fit of a 5'3" player?
THE DUDE6/4/2015 3:24:07 PM
Is this really the right thread for this?
(setting aside that you turn any thread into Thinker hijacks each thread to attack The Dude's every comment thing and multiple people have now requested you cease doing so here)
You must not be looking closely, Darnell is very strong, he's also 7 years younger in that picture than the one you posted of his pop.
THE DUDE6/4/2015 3:31:28 PM
Looks very strong like his Dad. Darnell as a HS Freshman:
thinker6/4/2015 3:41:56 PM
Here's my MO - post stupid stuff and I'll challenge it. Make points that get refuted - concede the point. BTW - the picture of Darnell above looks a lot bigger than the earlier one in the thread. See that wasn't so hard. Don't want to dialogue with me - don't comment on my posts. I actually haven't seen anyone in this thread except you disagree with anything I've said in this thread. You're disagreeing just to disagree - that's really the hijacking.
squid6/4/2015 4:12:45 PM
Guys, take it to the pissing match thread. We don't come here to read you two argue.
THE DUDE6/4/2015 4:17:28 PM
If you want to actually dissuade that type of thing, lets be very clear about who is the source of that. This thread could not make that any clearer Squid.
This was a thread for people to discuss Darnell Rogers. It was very obvious who tried to hijack it and who has tried to steer away from that and back to Darnell.
Danjsport6/4/2015 4:37:08 PM
As one who is too young to have been a GW fan for Shawnta, I hope his son comes and provides enjoyment for fans somewhere near what his father provided to GW fans.
Good luck to Darnell wherever he winds up--hopefully it's to play ball at Smitty
Hugh6/4/2015 4:43:31 PM
I'm with squid.
squid6/4/2015 6:36:13 PM
The Dude, no one cares who started it, this isn't kindergarten. Take the arguing somewhere else, no one else wants to read it.
THE DUDE6/4/2015 6:46:52 PM
No, I'm serious, if people genuinely care, they'd direct that at the source, as several accurately did without you writing this multiple times. I was thinking this last post woud be back to Darnell only to see yet another same post from you Squid. Thinker to be fair was at least was writing about Darnell (Sort of) you're not. I can see how people would have the same reaction when a genuine discussion about Darnell turns into something else.
As for you Squid feel free to focus on that other site of yours where you get to actually dictate the entirety of the content. Frankly it could use a little bit more liveliness to it.
Hugh6/4/2015 7:19:20 PM
Rich Maier6/4/2015 7:28:32 PM
nominate squid for post of the year
Free Quebec6/5/2015 9:27:09 AM
For the record, it was a Bill Brigham pick (not Yinka) that broke Marsalis Basey's collar bone.
thinker6/5/2015 10:33:18 AM
I guess Yinka made for a better story for the West Virginia article I saw. In my defense the article WAS on the internet.
The MV6/5/2015 11:16:53 AM
The fascinating thing about recruit threads is how many here can formulate strong opinions without knowing a whole lot about the recruit. BM does a tremendous job providing this information and this post is not at all meant to suggest that he should stop. And sure, there will be some cases where some here have direct knowledge of the player (i.e. they know the player, the player's family, or the player's high school or AAU coach, they've actually seen the player play in person, etc.). Short of this, we're left to look at things like size and build or presumed skills from a highlight video or a player rating or in this particular thread, a gene pool.
I do believe this thread may take the championship when it comes to strongest consensus ever regarding a particular recruit. Which begs the question, if Darnell were not Shawnta's son, would you want this recruit to come to GW just as badly? My guess is that some may but most would not.
This is not to say that Darnell will or will nopt be a great college player. In the often said words of Lefty Driesell, "you know, I don't know." And, I don't. I can tell you that the odds are likely not in his favor. Shawnta was such an exception to the rule that you can not overstate this. His key was his strength, his lower center of gravity allowed him to defend physically and not tire on the offensive end. His amazingly quick instincts allowed him to be a great rebounder because he tracked down every loose ball imaginable. If Darnell lacks this strength, he will only have his quickness to rely on. He'd likely be very exciting to watch on offense (like his dad), but will be easy to shoot over on defense. Rebounding could go either way.
The other major concern I have would be the inevitable comparisons he would receive to his dad. This could be a good thing, maybe Darnell is the type of young man who would embrace these comparisons and happily accept the challenge to be an even greater player than his dad. Or, maybe these comparisons would be unfair resulting in a heavier burden than Darnell should have to bear.
I acknowledge that this post must feel like a kill-joy to some but I did think it was worth pointing out that there are many considerations that should be paid by both our coaching staff as well as Darnell and his family. That said, if he's 2/3 the player that Shawnta was, sign him up!
Danjsport6/5/2015 12:07:06 PM
MV--good post. If Darnell wasn't Shawnta's kid, I can't imagine many on this board would be thinking like this. WIth that said, tradition is something I'd like to see GW build more on--and create more of. If we can create a rooting interest based on a kid because his father played here, that's a good thing. I'm all for JR's kid coming too when he's old enough.
While we all (rightfully) discuss that there are only so many recruits and so many spots on the roster, I'm pretty comfortable that if ML wants Darnell, and if Darnell wants GW, room can be made for him. Maybe he's his father (wouldn't that be great!). Maybe he's a 5'3 kid who happens to share the name as his father and can't play in a totally different era than his father played (wouldn't that be sad). But, to me, if the kid can play and ML thinks he can play, he's worth the roster spot.
Free Quebec6/5/2015 12:09:16 PM
Poog has now posted what seem like a giant hint abpout his recruiting twice on this thread and other than myself, I'm not sure anyone else has even noticed.
THE DUDE6/5/2015 2:03:04 PM
I noticed, but as this juncture is that something you actually want to speculate about on THIS thread? I'd say somewhere else or not at all.
MV, interesting question. I think the answer is that of course being Shawnta's son plays a role in fans interest in the player, and I'm more than ok with that (our staff needs to think rationally, fans will be fans) For those though who have taken the time, there's a lot more to Darnell than Shawnta's equally undersized son. He's playing a big role on a very high level AAU team, he shares a lot of similarities not just size with his Dad's incredible skill set, he's generating a lot of buzz from non GW folks, and he's ranked 85th in the country from at least one source:
Hugh6/5/2015 4:02:22 PM
He was given a grade of 85 out of 100. Not ranked 85th.
The Dude6/5/2015 4:10:19 PM
Ah good spot Hugh, misread, you're right. 85 was the grade, 2016 rankings hit a paywall but 2015 85 grade ranked in their top 150 nationally (stil pretty good) :
BM6/5/2015 6:12:23 PM
Considering Nut had issues getting into GW and his older brother had loooots of academic issues, not a stretch to think it's going to be a challenge for him. Having said that, I don't think ML would've gone after him if he didn't think he could get in.
Reading between the tweets, it seems like he has been laid up by a bout of tendonitis and is looking at the silver lining of the break letting him get his life back together. Hoping that it means concentrating on finishing out the school year.
Free Quebec6/5/2015 6:55:37 PM
You are probably right about that in general, Dude, but given the creative way Jarvis got Shawnta in here in December, I don't think it's a taboo subject and it seems to be one that will impact whether he comes here as much or perhaps more than any other.
Mostly, though when I read a passing match in the thread after all those 'what's taking so long' and get him at all costs' threads (especially the latter, which was said by multiple posters), I can't help but think a lot of folks are missing the big picture here.
thinker6/5/2015 8:10:46 PM
From what I have learned about the recruting process over the years figuring out the academic part of a recruit - especially in his junior or earlier years - is hard. It's very difficult to know what HS is "helping" a student with classes or grades. If UNC and Syracuse can do it - you can be sure that high schools can do it. Another big key is getting acceptable scores on different tests like the SAT. Guys can keep taking it until they get the right score. Some guys may not take it until their senior year. It may be pretty late in the process before you can be sure if the player will qualify AND some guys screw up classes late in their senior year. I believe Hobbs lost a good player from Oregon (Cunningham?) because he couldn't get a good score on the SAT.
I have ZERO idea what kind of student Darnell is and ML certainly has a better idea but it's VERY HARD to know for sure sometimes until much later in the year. So that we are listed as recruiting him doesn't mean that ML knows whether Darnell will qualify or not.
ziik6/5/2015 8:21:19 PM
This is one arena in which Richard Nixon was right on target. Just like he wanted to appoint a Supreme Court Justice to represent the interests of mediocrity, GW ought to be able to grant scholarships to the occasional poor student, even the occasional non-student. (I say this knowing full well that Darnell will earn hs place on his own merits. Just saying we need to cut a bit of slack, much like DUKE and UNC do, routinely.)
Bigfan6/5/2015 8:46:30 PM
Imagine that like his father, who set a great example by going back to school, Darnell can accomplish anything he sets his mind to.
The Dude6/5/2015 9:10:42 PM
Ziik, two arenas, Nixon HATED Georgetown
thinker6/5/2015 10:18:06 PM
Ziik - There are two different academic standards
1 - The lower NCAA basic qualifications
2 - What GW decides its minimum will be - almost always higher than the NCAA standard.
We can't avoid the NCAA standards but anything above that is simply an internal GW policy that we can change in any way we want for whomever we want.
BM6/6/2015 9:26:27 AM
Bigfan6/6/2015 4:01:18 PM
A shot of Darnell sticking his tongue out, just like his father. Also, is aleader, guiding his teammates on defense.
BM7/6/2015 2:27:24 PM
Apparently going to Towson.
BM7/6/2015 2:27:45 PM
Darnell Rogers has officially commited to Towson university
BM7/6/2015 2:31:23 PM
Forget it. Looks like he deleted the tweet. BTW, we're recruiting him too.
Bigfan7/6/2015 4:05:46 PM
Why go to Towson when you can play for GW with a huge reservoir of fan love and goodwill?
Only thing is it is near Baltimore. So is GW.
Maybe this young man who prematurely tweeted confused Towson with GW.
Apparently, he is welcome to come here as well. So he can play with Darnell.
NYGW7/6/2015 4:29:41 PM
Really, Towson? I draw the line here.
MOCO Observer7/6/2015 6:25:57 PM
Don't kill the messenger here but ... Would not be surprised if it was Towson. Several reasons - (1) one of Shawnta's coaches at GW (Kevin Clark) is an assistant at Towson; (2) it's in Baltimore where the Rogers greater family resides; (3) not sure if GW is as sold on him as those here; and (4) not sure whether he is qualified yet (which if not then ML would probably shy away). I guess time will tell all.
GWStag7/6/2015 7:07:23 PM
Darnell isn't going to Towson. His AAU teammate was messing around with him by tweeting that.
thinker7/6/2015 10:13:27 PM
I'm curious what you think the chances are that Darnell comes to GW based on your understanding of his interest, ML's interest, academics, fit, etc. I'm not asking that you go into specifics - just percentages.
NewGWFan7/6/2015 10:20:43 PM
There seems to be a lot of smoke signals around Darnell not coming to GW. I just get the sense that he won't end up here. I'm not going to be shocked of that's how it plays out. I could be off the mark, and this could be a total straw man arguement, but that said I'm not expecting him at GW.
The Dude7/6/2015 10:24:22 PM
Now this is great stuff! Bit of a message board showdown on multiple threads, Moco's views vs GwStag. In both cases, these 2 gentlemen profer opinions that should be testable and are in direct contradiction.
In one corner, you have The Observer, with his insights offered rather bravely, against the grain and based on what seems like real information. In other corner, the owner of the ML belt, GWStag, and his stated ML access. Moco suggests neither Brodeur nor Darnell are GW level talents, GWStag says otherwise. Moco says that Brodeur belongs at an only an Ivy/Patriot and Darnell to Towson make sense no harm losing out on either guy, GWStag says no way and what a great steal for Penn, Darnell tweet is a joke not a slip.
Hats have been thrown into rings, and my hat is off to you both. Answers shall be revealed in time, stay tuned.
Free Quebec7/6/2015 11:06:59 PM
What in the world are you talking about, Dude?
Neither Moco or Stag said what you suggest they said.
Moco didn't offer anything based on "real" information (at least, I think how you mean it). He just said if it's true, here's 4 possible reasons why.
He also didn't say that Darnell is not a GW-level talent, at least not in this thread.
And Stag didn't say "no way" to any of what Moco speculated. In fact, to my knowledge, he's never expressed any opinion at all on the subject. All he commented on was that the Towson thing was a joke, subsequently deleted.
In your zeal to prove Stag wrong at something, you are atributing an awful lot of stuff to multiple posters who didn't say what you suggest.
Please don't do that. It makes this board, which I used to love, a freaking joke.
The Dude7/6/2015 11:11:38 PM
Wrong FQ, I was complementing both posters for using information to reach and profer bold and clearly disparate opinions and specifically stated so. In your bizarre zeal to judge me (a common theme from you) you reached the complete opposite conclusion of what I had very clearly written. How much cleared should "my hat is off to you both" could I have been?
BC7/6/2015 11:40:11 PM
Dude, the rest of us can also read. FQ is on the mark.
Bigfan7/6/2015 11:47:11 PM
In any case, could anyone who knows give us some kind of hint.
Don't want to be salivating over Darnell, apparently a chip off the old block, if it is not a possibility for whatever reason.
Igor... not Yegor7/7/2015 12:26:32 AM
Gentlemen... no bickering on THIS thread. Bicker on the "some guy from North Dakota who I've nevere heard of and may or may not be coming here" thread. But not on the Darnell Rogers thread. This thread is sacred ground. Have some respect for crying out loud.
That being said, any real insight is always welcome.
The Dude7/7/2015 12:48:40 AM
The hints seem to be there for us BigFan.
I was very impressed by and rooting for us to sign both Darnell and Brodeur (as many here seem to have been) but based only off the same few highlight clips and reporting we've by now seen and/or read. However, when someone who has seen one guy and knows a little more about the other suggests otherwise, I'm all ears/eyes, that is say, there's a lot that can be learned from other people here, the point of my post. Those are exactly the type of posts that make for a good board imo.
I know one person here doesn't like that and wants only glowing opinions of guys, but I found those opinions useful and clearly others do too. Someone else then pushed back against both of those opinions in direct contrast (read the other thread) That's exactly what many of us like to read, me included.
Having read those threads, we're now left to wonder if these are/would be lost recruiting wars for GW, or perhaps not. Is that a good thing to read? I said yes. Worthy of our praise? Yes. Fun, yes.
A guy should be able to write those things here without having to write "don't shoot the messenger but ...." That was exactly the point of my post.
Free Quebec7/7/2015 1:01:13 AM
You are missing the point, Dude. Moco never said Darnell isn't an A-10 level talent, and Stag never commented on anything except who posted and deleted the Towson thing. It's nice that you took your hat off to them for taking strong positions about Darnell, but you fabricated their positions practically from whole cloth.
To Igor point about this thread being sacred, I don't believe anyone on this entire thread has said Darnell can't succeed on the court on this level (maybe way back, can't recall and not re-reading all).
There's been nothing but love for him as a player on this thread because we all want it to work for Shawnta's son to come home to GW.
The Dude7/7/2015 2:08:18 AM
Great, now that its clear I was praising/encouraging both guys posts, we can let you have the last word without correcting the other misstatements you wrote so we can get back to what's much more interesting, discussing these players. (if you're that interested to critique, you should read the Brodeur and Darnell threads, I wrote, just what they wrote, and in clear praise of the fun of it, no less)
The entire point is, good discussions about players is good, differing opinions expressed, good, everyone feeling compelled to blindly praise every recruit like we're in the Nike Heaven's Gate, not so good, which would I guess make you our Marshall Applewhite figure.
Pops7/7/2015 2:22:15 AM
Dude, just stop posting about other posters.
MOCO Observer7/7/2015 8:54:26 AM
Just to be clear as it regards Darnell, I was positing reasons why Towson could be a plausible destination not that it was/should be the destination. Second, I never said Darnell was not an A-10 level talent. What I said is there may be other reasons why GW and Darnell may end up not being a fit. I was again not predicting anything but allowing for this possibility.
This is different than my comments on the Brodeur thread where I have some stronger opinions about the fit.
Thomas7/7/2015 9:19:52 AM
MOCO Observer or anyone else, what type of prospect is Darnell considered at this point...BCS-level, mid-major?? What other schools have offered or shown interest? I have just skimmed through this thread and I believe the only other school mentioned with him is Towson.
The MV7/7/2015 9:45:47 AM
A thread that begs for the do's and don'ts of posting:
1. Pops, of course you can post about other posters. Just make sure that you are representing their positions accurately.
2. FQ, I understand why you may not feel inclined to go back and read old threads on the subject, but if The Dude is representing positions expressed on other threads, he should not be condemned for summarizing this information on this thread. In fact, he should be applauded for either doing this extra research or for having an excellent memory.
3. The Dude, this is all fine provided that you are representing positions accurately. You claim that Moco feels that Darnell isn't a GW level player. Moco responds in this thread by saying he never said that Darnell wasn't an A10 caliber player (for argument's sake, I'll assume that a GW level player and an A10 caliber player are comparable.) So, it would be helpful for you to either point out when and where Moco claimed what you are suggesting, or acknowledge that you accidentally misrepresented his position.
BM7/7/2015 9:59:15 AM
I watched a good bit of a CP3 EYBL game streamed live last month and of course, the highlights posted here. I think he came out surprising everyone in his first game (29 points), but then defenses adjusted and defended him closely. His scoring came down, but he adjusted back and continued playing his game with great results.
One thing to note is that team CP3 is probably the best team in the Nike EYBL circuit this year. Harry Giles is the number one player in the country and Alterique Gilbert (who just committed to UConn) is a five star PG. Nut Jr plays behind Gilbert at PG, but he's been averaging 11 points and 3.5 assists (to 1.3 TO) in 21 minutes while shooting 45% from 3 and 79% FTs. This is against top level AAU competition.
I think the reason he hasn't picked up more offers is that coaches are afraid to be laughed out of the house by recruiting a 5'2" player. They think of him as a novelty, but can't really imagine how he would play out in a real NCAA game. This is where ML has an advantage. He's seen Shawnta play and knows for a fact that it is possible, nay advantageous, to play a lightning fast PG with high level shooting skills in the NCAA and win games at a high rate.
I guess it could also be that other coaches think he's done to GW and there's no point. :)
One more weekend of heavy exposure left to go (Peach Jam Thursday through Sunday), but if he comes out the other side with no interesting offers AND has the school work taken care off, our chances should go up significantly.
Free Quebec7/7/2015 10:11:19 AM
MV, he didn't summarize info on this thread. He invented comments for Moco and Stag that furthered a narrative he prefers. I did check to make sure neither of the relevant posters said what was alleged and they didn't (and I've since checked and no one else said Darnell couldn't play at this level either, so my recollection was correct).
Dude, Pops' advice is good. Stop commenting on other posters. Just let people speak for themselves, and don't use every thread to prove a point. Honestly, I suspect I'm not the only longtime board member who feels like you are hijacking way too many threads (I know I shouldn't be drawn into this, but since you said I could have the last word, I really want to end with a plea for you to change your approach to the baord).
Free Quebec7/7/2015 10:12:31 AM
Back on topic, BM, that's great info. It could really play to our favor that he's backing up one of the top PGs in the country. Might mean that other teams we usually compete with don't quite lock on him the way they would if he were starting for a lesser AAU team this summer.
MOCO Observer7/7/2015 11:14:16 AM
Thomas - I think he projects on the upside to mid-major and on the downside low major. His size is an issue not so much offensively but defensively. He also doesn't rebound as well as Pops. Might be quicker though. Not sure if he shoots it as well. Don't know that he would be an every down PG at GW (like his Dad) but might be a nice change of pace guy off the bench that can/will cause trouble for opponents.
The Dude7/7/2015 2:49:11 PM
FQ, your posts alone hijacked the thread. My post was quite clear, applauding interesting dueling opinions. You misinterpreted that, plain and simple and instead of saying "whoops my bad" you then looked for the next outrage to address by claiming I wrote things I didn't write. MV speaks from experience, I've seen countless threads in the past where you and a few others would do that to him all of the time and then complain about his defending his positions which you twisted. Here I was saying "great interesting posts gents" you could have left it there once that became obvious to you last night. I loathe being attacked here by the same few people, you want less of me here, allow me like every poster to express a view without being so quick to attack it, easy solution.
Back to the topic which is a very interesting one. Darnell is an obviously intriguing recruit in many ways. To me, it would seem an obvious guy to pursue him if he projects from the lowest prediction here to a mirror image of his Dad. I'd take him anywhere in that range. As I've said here, the A10 has a long history of severly undersized guys thriving, they don't all have to be quite as great as Shawnta even if they look just like him and show some of the same great skills! As for Brodeur, I'm persuaded by Moco's account, seems spot on.
thinker7/7/2015 3:12:02 PM
The "long history" of "severely undersized" guards who have thrived in the A-10 is detailed above in the thread. About 6 guys in the last 25 years.
No one besides Shawnta has thrived at 5'3" - 5'4"
The others who were in the 5'6" to 5'10" range who thrived were all professional caliber players.
So my conclusion is that at a VERY short heighth you would really have to be a professional caliber player to thrive in the A-10. MOCO is clearly saying that Darnell doesn't fit that. As a change of pace, role player he might be good. If that's what ML wants and that's what Darnell wants then it seems like a perfect fit.
The Dude7/7/2015 4:39:26 PM
Well, that's true with regard to the size. Good points, as you probably recall we differ a bit on how much 5'3 vs 5'7 matters. Agree you have to be essentially be a professional caliber player to thrive, even at 5'7, surely at 5'3, so for those of us advocating for Darnell (clearly I am) you tend to be of the opinion he's an exceptional and rare talent.
bobo7/7/2015 4:52:01 PM
It wouldn't be at all surprising that GW's coaching staff is more skeptical on Darnell Rogers ability to succeed as a D1 player than those on this board. Seems most here never having seen the recruit play are simply transfering their loving memories and appreciation for the father to the son. Fans are fans. Maybe lighting will strike twice but, as pointed out above, it's a very rare occurance.
One reason for ML to make a push for Darnell is that if the recruit does become a top level college player at a DIFFERENT school, good god there will be hell to pay from the GW faithful. We'll be hearing about the "lost Rogers" for decades to come. Hell, we still hear bitchin about not getting Wally Z.
MOCO Observer7/7/2015 5:01:56 PM
I would recruit Darnell - heck we've done much worse at the end of the bench before and you can't play 13 anyway - and maybe he surprises on the upside and becomes more than some of us can imagine.
But if you think this is Shawnta II - well for a whole lot of reasons (enumerated above) that likely isn't going to happen.
ziik7/7/2015 5:07:04 PM
GW also owes the family, big time
Free Quebec7/7/2015 5:41:27 PM
Dude, they didn't offer dueling opinions. You invented those opinions for them and then praised them for offering dueling opinions. Thats the point.
I thought you said you were giving me the last word?
Back to point, even if hte coaching staff has skepticism, I think the frequent transfer free-for-all that D1 basketball has become can make it easier to take a risk on a high-risk, high-reward prospect, especially when that prospect is part of the family.
Bigfan7/7/2015 6:52:47 PM
Like BM's clear and experienced eye.
Think by and large, GW's fan base, which is basically just us, want to take a risk,if any, on a 5'3 guard.
Frankly, we've taken higher risks with less reward upside. Cartagena comes to mind. Also much of last year's class has yet to pan out. Bryant gone. Cimino,Swan barely played, even in garbage time. Of course, both were said to be sought after recruits and we are still hoping they can make a contribution.
So, if there's any basketball concern, fans would have ML's back in making this recruiting choice. We would get a lot of publicity and goodwill from this choice.
There should be no question that if Darnell can go to GW, he should. Can't imagine a more supportive environment for a player of his size.
Best for him to sit out these tournaments to avoid unwanted confusion and if he can go to GW, make an immediate and iron-clad commitment.
pops7/7/2015 8:57:30 PM
i agree Bigfan. He's worth taking a flyer on. It sounds like he'd be quite a long shot but for all the reasons noted above it would be a great longshot to take.
And afterall, he's exactly this type of player who goes underated by most, dismissing him because of his size. even if he just makes it as a change of pace it would have been worth it. and if he truly cant make it at D1 he would probably move on because based on his skill set and what I've seen in his videos, he needs to be playing somewhere or college basketball will be the poorer.
I just don't know whether ML would do this given his focus on defense and size.
The Dude7/8/2015 12:23:15 AM
That's absolutely part of it Bobo, at least I surely concede that. You can see the same reaction happened here in the past with Shawnta's firstborn and not quite as talented son Terrell. The difference I'd argue here, Darnell is playing a big role on an extremely good AAU team and in every way more resembles Shawnta than Terrell Rogers did. Are the Darnell fans here getting a little carried away, sure I suspect that's the case, the lack of interest from similar programs would suggest that might well be true at this moment.
It will be very interesting to see. Terrell, a very good HS player, generated little interest and then struggled at Delaware before transferring down. Much taller at 5'9 than both Dad and Darnell, but lacked their unique blend of explosive athletic ability, strength and floor general nature.
ziik7/9/2015 9:53:59 PM
Bigfan7/10/2015 6:27:53 AM
Darnell should know these people just speculate about him, like he is a curiousity.
But at GW, we know that heart and ability matters more than size and what you can achieve.
BM7/10/2015 3:09:12 PM
Can't say he's shown his best the last couple of days, but this is a nice writeup.
BM7/11/2015 10:23:28 AM
Darnell and DeAndre Jordan in the same article! What could be better??
BM7/11/2015 10:27:59 AM
Transferring to a school in Georgia.
BM7/11/2015 3:10:52 PM
12 pts, 5 reb, 2 a in front of every coach at peach jam in big win. Lots of social media buzz. Other GW target Grant Williams went 18 & 12.
MG'147/11/2015 3:24:38 PM
thinker7/12/2015 12:43:39 PM
I'm watching Darnell at the Peach Jam - the first time I've seen him play in a non mixtape situation. There are some of the very top HS players playing there. He certainly doesn't like out of place Although it does take getting used to seeing him at his size.
Adam Zagoria said on twitter that he is more like 4'11" -- I don't know if he was serious or teasing.
The tv announcers said that Darnell gets a lot of open shots because the other teams start out not covering him. But he's leading this tournament in 3pt shooting %
Darnell is a really interesting prospect. I have no idea how he would do in college beacuse I just know how to project HS players performances. Wherever he goes it will be VERY interesting to see how he does.
LuvDaGame7/12/2015 12:51:43 PM
They just mentioned GW and Lonergan's interest in Rogers.
thinker7/12/2015 12:55:30 PM
Sorry, I left out a key word above -- I meant to say I DON'T know how to project HS players performances.
BC7/12/2015 1:05:54 PM
CP3 just lost on a miracle last-second 3pt shot. Darnell looked good passing the ball, though he missed several layups. He doesn't have his dad's command of ball english, at least not yet. He got open pretty easily on his quickness and dribbling skills..
Mike K7/12/2015 1:43:49 PM
did anyone see Nut in the crowd? I know ML was there, anyone see him?
The Dude7/12/2015 2:05:17 PM
One thing I'd add, the GW Shawnta we remember so fondly was 20-23. The Darnell we're watching is 17.
Unlikely he'll be quite as good as Dad, but if we had film on 17 y/o Shawnta he wouldn't look like he would 5 years later either (But I suspect he'd look pretty damn good regardless!)
BM7/12/2015 6:47:42 PM
Good point Dude. Here are his highlights from CP3's last game
The Dude7/13/2015 1:26:57 AM
Thanks for posting BM. He looks like a work in progress, but very talented to me. Tough guy to assess but what he does well, he does extremely well. Quick, dynamic, makes plays happen. If you ask me, sigh him up!
BM7/14/2015 9:21:30 AM
Harry Giles III and Darnell Rogers were among the most entertaining EYBL big-small duos of all-time
Goo Colonials Go7/14/2015 6:10:02 PM
From the story above:
"...the pint sized guard was being watched by the likes of Richmond and Bowling Green, along with the alma mater of his father, former George Washington star Shawnta Rogers. No Big 5 conference schools have expressed an interest, though Rogers seems just fine with that. Like Giles, he’s much more interested in how he’s playing at the moment than where he will play in the years ahead.
“I’ve mostly been talking to the coaches at George Washington, because my father went there,” Rogers said. “They want me to come."
thinker7/17/2015 11:57:22 PM
twitter says Darnell just offered by Siena
Free Quebec 7/18/2015 8:48:26 AM
is Sina authorized to make offers?
BM7/18/2015 9:09:22 AM
That's ML's best friend Jimmy Patsos. A bit worrying.
Poog7/18/2015 10:01:05 AM
Actually find that reassuring BM. Either a consistent impression of his value or an endorsement by ML to his buddy that though he might not quite fit GW's athletic/academic profile, he's a worthy recruit and wants him to be under a person he trusts who he knows will do right by him.
NewGWFan7/18/2015 12:10:43 PM
Makes me think Pastos knows Rodgers isn't GW first choice and wants to get in on him if GW takes a different PG. could just mean Sienna likes him.
CPots7/18/2015 1:30:38 PM
'I’ve mostly been talking to the coaches at George Washington, because my father went there,” Rogers said. “They want me to come."
Florida Colonial7/27/2015 7:45:37 PM
darnell rogers @rogers_shawnta 1h1 hour ago
Looking to end my recruitment before the season start
Bigfan7/28/2015 2:45:59 AM
I know how he can do that. Two letters: one starts with a G.
Neil7/29/2015 8:17:07 AM
a little bird told me he is going to GW
Mentzinger7/29/2015 8:21:15 AM
Highly doubtful Neil
Igor,,, not Yegor7/29/2015 9:04:17 AM
Mentz? You doubt that DR is coming to G-Dub... or you find it hard to believe that Neil beat us all to the scoop via his connection to Larry Bird's kid?
Bigfan7/29/2015 10:50:43 AM
Let's hope the little bird is right.
Someone else here must know as well, or have at least have an idea of whether it is plausible.
Free Quebec7/29/2015 11:20:04 AM
Bigfan, I know nothing, but Poog has posted at least 3 times on this thread that Darnell may not be the right fit for GW. Poog usually appears in the know on these things. If there really are questions academically, then him signing before this academic year might mean not waiting to see if the academics get to the point where GW can work.
Then again, Neil is sometimes right, and I know nothing.
Mentzinger7/29/2015 12:05:27 PM
"Sources say" Darnell is not coming to GW
tk7/29/2015 12:30:32 PM
he never really sounds excited about the school. more like "oh i have to look since my dad went there and they've been recruiting me"
Mentzinger7/29/2015 12:49:39 PM
That's pretty much it, tk
Neil7/29/2015 7:42:53 PM
War going on between GW, Sienna, and Towson.
It is up to the coach to take him or loose him to Towson.
ziik7/29/2015 7:47:21 PM
Neil: He knows stuff.
Mentzinger7/30/2015 8:18:19 AM
As with any recruiting relationship, it's never just "up to the coach" to sin someone.
BC7/30/2015 9:51:32 AM
too "sin" someone? what word did you mean Metz?
Colonial NY7/30/2015 11:33:48 AM
I'm guessing he meant sign.
BC7/30/2015 11:35:07 AM
Thanks CYN, should have guessed that. Too damn dumb.
BC7/30/2015 12:34:08 PM
Bigfan7/30/2015 2:49:10 PM
Sienna is ML's best friend, so odd he would show interest, unless there is something there.
Poog, can you respond as to whether you were trying to hint at something or not? FQ has good insights into things and he noticed that possibility.
Darnell should realize that we have more than 200 posts about him just on this thread. We don't question his size like everyone else. At GW, we know he can be a great player.
So if there is any way for him to be blessed enough to come to GW to bask in way more love and adoration than he would get anywhere else, he should just commit irrevocably after looking at the post count on this thread.
JAE7/30/2015 3:16:19 PM
Unless Sienna got the go ahead from ML.
MOCO Knows7/30/2015 3:37:42 PM
Are we talking Sienna as in Sienna Miller or Siena? If it's Sienna Miller, ML is in trouble. She is way better looking than he is.
Florida Colonial8/1/2015 2:48:40 PM
Darnell Rogers proved he belonged this summer
BM8/3/2015 1:41:22 PM
Darnell Rogers Proved he Belonged this Summer
BM8/3/2015 1:48:19 PM
Sorry FC. Need to read before I post.
BC8/3/2015 1:54:06 PM
why should BM be any different than the rest of us?
Bigfan8/3/2015 1:56:31 PM
Like Darnell's ability and equally important: attitude.
He was raised that height doesn't matter.
GW, if he is blessed to have the opportunity to attend school here, is the only place where fans and coaches show they believe that.
And at GW, Darnell would be truly welcomed with open arms and fan devotion.
If he is fortunate enough to have that option to play for GW, Darnell should grab it now- before the opportunity disappears.
The Dude8/3/2015 2:26:21 PM
Time to send in BigFan to close the deal. BigFan or Alec:
NewGWFan8/5/2015 12:56:11 PM
Darnell is now following Patrick Nero and visa versa. Have to think this is a good sign.
Neil8/5/2015 12:58:04 PM
like I said over a week go, this is a done deal.
NYGW8/5/2015 1:35:50 PM
DUH NEIL OBVIOUSLY
BACCAS928/5/2015 2:13:44 PM
I am also following him and vice versa. That might be a bad sign.
pops8/5/2015 3:49:11 PM
Neil actually sounds like he might know something. Neil, i hope you are right.
ziik8/5/2015 3:52:12 PM
Neil is reliable. He does not just blab.
The Dude8/5/2015 4:00:48 PM
For the uninitiated; Who is Neil and do we think he actually knows this to be true? Seem to have generated a mixture of sarcasm and hesistant believers, confusing. Spill the beans please.
ziik8/5/2015 4:12:28 PM
Speak less, listen more Dude
The Dude8/5/2015 4:15:55 PM
Someone get Ziik a few Martinis so we can get the backstory here!
Never too early for an afternoon cocktail or 2.
ziik8/5/2015 4:26:55 PM
I have had to stop drinking, Dude. I need some opiates.
Bigfan8/5/2015 4:27:36 PM
Neil, if you are right, you will go into legendary GWHoops status.
We can all have a drink to celebrate if Darnell comes here, which he should for so many reasons.
ziik8/5/2015 4:28:23 PM
ps--Neil is Fan's cousin. Each shows up here on occasion Neil, especially the past 2-3 years, seems to be in the know. Relax, and believe the guy. What options do you have, anyways?
The Dude8/5/2015 5:23:20 PM
IF Darnell signs today, Martinis, Opiates and Quaaludes! We should all look like Leo in Wolf Street at the end of the night. (no driving though, leave the cars at home)
The MV8/5/2015 5:56:02 PM
Does anyone know if Darnell's announcement will be televised? Does anyone have a link?
Neil8/5/2015 6:47:08 PM
I am not fans cousin. I do not know him if I saw him.
Darnell Rodgers will be great at GW.
ziik8/5/2015 6:50:44 PM
Just drawing you out, Neil. Thanks
SHOFAZ+18/6/2015 9:02:23 AM
can some of you guys who are more in tune with HS and AAU bball tell us how good is really Darnell?
in the most-likely scenario, who would you compare him to from the GW past? is he as good as his dad was at this age? as good as Joe Mac?
what about best and worst case scenario? what former or current GW players would you compare him to?
tk8/6/2015 10:56:50 AM
you can't really compare him to anyone besides maybe his dad. that's the good/bad thing
188.8.131.528/6/2015 11:50:11 AM
Shiraz +1, he is a cross between Mike Hall and Mike Brown, with a little Garino mixed in. Best case is Yinka, worst case Bill Brigham.
184.108.40.2068/6/2015 12:27:25 PM
If Neil has this right, I vote that we give him a years pass on letting him ask about where the game is televised.
thinker8/6/2015 1:15:15 PM
I have a good friend who is a basketball coach who is actually friends with his dad. There are basically two issues basketball-wise with Darnell:
1) He has to be REALLY good to be effective at his size. Hypothetically, he might be just as "good" as JoeMac who is very effective with his size/skil combo. But that might not be good enough to be effective at 5'3". It's clear he's "good" it's just not clear if he's REALLY good. He's a good defender on the ball as the other team is coming up the floor - but what happens when teams scout him and prepare to take advantage of his size?
2) He has to play in a REALLY fast uptempo system to take advantage of his skills. He's mostly going to be able to score on the break and in transition against defenses that aren't set because he can beat most everyone down the floor. He is a decent shooter, but for instance in the Peach Jam, most of his shots came when the other team left him open. It's much tougher at his size to get a shot off when a defender is playing closer.
The wildcard - which I don't know anything about but has been mentioned here is academics.
So if a coach determines that he is REALLY good AND he can qualify then the question becomes are you going to run a system that takes advantage of his skills and takes a lot of care to protect against mismatches because of his size. Others here have said he might be great as an off the bench change of pace guy and I agree. But is that what he and his dad would want? I don't know
Mentzinger8/6/2015 8:36:56 PM
Havent seen this much anticipation for a recruit since Erik Copes
The Dude8/6/2015 8:59:03 PM
Cimino. There was a lot of sweating out the Cimino decision too. 1 Year ago. We had some sweatier folks here than Pat Ewing at the FT line.
Goo Colonials Go8/7/2015 9:38:42 AM
Correct, Dude. We were all pretty amped up about Cimino. Yuta as well, I think.
And Thinker, I think you're spot on if we're talking about a realistic assessment of Rogers. Never know what happens behind closed doors, but I can't imagine ML and crew being overly swayed by the sentimentality of bringing another Rogers to GW. A consideration? Yes. But if we're right on the cusp of getting him as some have winked and nodded to, I hope that means the coaches see the skills and growth potential of a contributor to this team in the future.
2cents8/7/2015 10:03:24 AM
...cause any other 5'3" player (with hair) would have probably been written off a while ago. Someone said earlier that a player has to be exceptional at his height. Is he? Just playing devils advocate.
Mentzinger8/7/2015 12:21:50 PM
Yuta came out of nowhere. I doubt we even had a recruit page for him here before he signed.
220.127.116.118/7/2015 12:25:20 PM
We learned about Yuta on Jan. 11 and he committed on Feb. 4.
Goo Colonials Go8/7/2015 1:37:45 PM
I stand corrected. Do I owe pushups for this?
BM10/5/2015 10:27:24 AM
Corey Evans @coreyevans_10
2016 Indian Land guard Darnell Rogers is currently on an official visit to George Washington
Mike K10/5/2015 11:13:16 AM
Too bad he and Marfo could not have met....Darnell would have thought "Wow, 4 years of dishing to this guy," and Marfo would have thought "Wow, 4 years of getting dishes from this guy!"
Florida Colonial10/5/2015 11:17:32 AM
If there was a like button I'd be using it
Mike K10/5/2015 12:00:06 PM
The season starts soon!
By: Florida Colonial (562 posts) - 7/27/2015 7:45:37 PM
darnell rogers @rogers_shawnta 1h1 hour ago
Looking to end my recruitment before the season start
Bigfan10/5/2015 7:18:32 PM
It is time for Darnell to make an unshakeable commitment.
We have been recruiting him longer and harder than anyone. It is by far the best offer he has.
At GW. he will be loved and embraced by everyone.
At other schools, he will be seen as a curiosity, not a player. At GW, he will be seen as a real player right from the start.
This is where Darnell was meant to be. Darnell and GW are meant for each other.
Time for Darnell to commit and sign the first day he can. He is blessed to have this opportunity and should seize it while he can.
Igor.. not Yegor10/5/2015 7:56:45 PM
OMG OMG OMG
Igor.. not Yegor10/5/2015 8:01:17 PM
Even Al is excited!!!!
Buff and Blue Bandit10/5/2015 8:25:04 PM
Is the excitement that he came or that he signed @Igor.. not Yegor? I don't see anything about a committment online.
Skittles10/5/2015 8:58:16 PM
Expect Rogers to commit tomorrow. Marfo will decide between GW and BC in the next few days. Mom is pushing BC but the kid likes GW. Fingers crossed!
Chuck7410/5/2015 9:12:22 PM
That's pretty specific, Skittles.
Igor.. not Yegor10/5/2015 10:17:10 PM
Sorry Buff and Blue Bandit, no specific information from me. As I've stated above and in other threads, I am personally really excited for this particular recruit. With several of our regular posters stating that this is not gonna get done, I was starting to get a little pessimistic to the prospect. I mean I've met Metzinger and he seems like a pretty rational guy. Thinker is clearly much more clued in to the day to day of the program than I am. They both indicated that this may not be happening. Even Poog was dropping hints... and that guy reads non picture books during half time, so ya know he's smart. So yeah, when I read that DR is on an official visit, I got a little (understatement) excited. I hope skittles is in da know on this one. That would be some great news!!!
The Other MG10/5/2015 11:43:07 PM
Hope the hookers are ready.................sorry.........
Bo Knows10/5/2015 11:48:13 PM
I wouldn't bet against Skittles' info.
BC10/5/2015 11:53:02 PM
Damn, now you've got me excited. Calm down Bob. BTW, I've heard the Poog even reads non-fiction! Knock on wood.
Bigfan10/6/2015 3:59:29 AM
Let's hope Skittles is right
Darnell knows what the right thing to do is and that he will be comfortable at GW and is already beloved by the fans and coaches.
Mike K10/6/2015 6:24:02 AM
Skittles, you were right with inside info on Yuta's injury....hoping for the same this time around.
Skittles10/6/2015 8:14:45 AM
One definitely hopes so!
Skittles10/6/2015 2:05:07 PM
Craig Martinez10/6/2015 2:34:52 PM
Bigfan10/6/2015 2:49:56 PM
Recall seeing that article.
It says Darnell is most proud of his defense. At GW, he will be playing for a coach that rewards defensive effort.
If his dream is to play professional basketball despite his size, the one place where it's proven that it can happen is at GW.
Now, it is time for Darnell to finally commit so he can prove to the outside world what he can do at this level.
Unlike anywhere else, he doesn't need to struggle to prove himself to us. Everyone at GW already knows him and loves him.
There is absolutely no better place on earth for Darnell.
Time to seize this opportunity he is blessed to have--while it is still available.
Goo Colonials Go10/6/2015 2:57:42 PM
If we don't hear anything today I motion that we all pull resources and take out an ad in the WaPo express and Darnell's local newspaper. The ad would be a letter composed only of quotes from BigFan's board postings over the past several months:
This is so hard to take since anyone who saw Shawnta play knows how Darnell can have real potential at GW. Darnell seems similarly amazing.
He is GW heritage, with his father in the Hall of Fame. Be great to have Darnell there one day, along with his Dad.
We appreciate and understand Darnell's great talent because of what his father did for GW--and most important in this case, what GW did for his father.
If his dream is to play professional basketball despite his size, the one place where it's proven that it can happen is at GW.
Now, it is time for Darnell to finally commit so he can prove to the outside world what he can do at this level.
This is tormenting me.
Come home, Darnell.
This is the place for you.
BigFan and GWHoops
The MV10/6/2015 3:11:10 PM
Well done Goo. How you managed to pull that Bigfan letter off without using the words "love", "obsession" or "man-crush" is beyond me.
BACCAS9210/6/2015 3:40:35 PM
I think Marfo will be a bad Marfo for us.
The Dude10/6/2015 3:55:07 PM
Seriously, BigFan is a relentless recruiter. If our own staff are as diligent and persistent, we'll be in great hands for years to come.
Coffee is for Closers.
Goo Colonials Go10/6/2015 3:58:44 PM
+1 Dude. We need to get BigFan on the trail!
BM10/6/2015 4:09:46 PM
Call it Darnell!! BigFan wants you here! So do all the rest of us!!
The Dude10/6/2015 4:14:25 PM
Haha, no doubt GCG!
BigFan are you available for a mid/late October recruiting sweep through Europe? You do speak South-Slavic languages yes?
Bigfan10/6/2015 4:19:13 PM
For what it is worth, was actually in Belarus one time after Koul signed and tried to get local word about him and any other prospects.
The Dude10/6/2015 4:36:06 PM
BigFan, that's good enough for me. I'm sold. Get your passport ready, you sir are on quite the adventure back across the European hoops hotbeds.
First stop, Munich, Germany. We've had a Dirrk, find us the next Dirk. We'll settle for a Sven Schulte.
Goo Colonials Go10/6/2015 4:55:15 PM
Or a Detlef Schrempf
Rich Maier10/6/2015 5:25:15 PM
I think the tone of recent recruiting discussions about ML's ability to recruit will change quickly if we get Darnell and/or Marfo.
Craig Martinez10/6/2015 5:34:00 PM
Please and! please and!
CRAIG MARTINEZ10/6/2015 5:54:58 PM
YESSSSSSS WE GOT HIM!!!
BM10/6/2015 5:55:34 PM
Florida Colonial10/6/2015 6:01:10 PM
Not sure how I triple posted that. Maybe it was worth a triple post
The MV10/6/2015 6:08:50 PM
Congratulations Darnell. Am thrilled that you've chosen to be a Colonial and am very excited to watch you play. You've made a great choice.
2cents10/6/2015 6:09:07 PM
2cents10/6/2015 6:12:59 PM
Also, congratulations to Darnell and family, as well as GW Basketball! A big thanks also to Bigfan. I don't think it would have been possible without you!
BM10/6/2015 6:13:45 PM
2cents10/6/2015 6:20:25 PM
...just so you don't have to look back through the thread to remind yourself how much fun he will be to watch.
Abe10/6/2015 6:26:13 PM
Finally some good recruiting news! And a great one at that! Excited to see what Darnell can do.
BM10/6/2015 6:36:19 PM
Unfortunately, Team CP3 and BABC never played at the EYBL this year. WOuld've been nice for Marfo to see Darnell feed the ball to the bigs again and again.
Goo Colonials Go10/6/2015 6:38:27 PM
I picked the worst time to walk home from work, but HELL YES!!!
Goo Colonials Go10/6/2015 6:47:50 PM
ESPN article for those interested.
"My dad is an alum, and I have a family relationship with the coaching staff," Darnell Rogers told ESPN. "Their starting point guard is leaving when I come in. It's a great situation for me and I also love D.C."
Poog10/6/2015 6:48:39 PM
Perhaps the only thing as bad as being called Georgetown or the Colonels is being referred to as the University of George Washington. But in this case, who cares? Just hope that fan expectations don't ruin what hopefully will be a very exciting continuation of Shawnta's legacy in Foggy Bottom.
ziik10/6/2015 6:51:10 PM
Nice. He should get 3 stars though, from the video I have seen.
Mentzinger10/6/2015 7:15:59 PM
Very surprised. Welcome Darnell!
Mike K10/6/2015 7:32:13 PM
Welcome to the whole Rogers family! very exciting!
BM10/6/2015 7:36:43 PM
Pretty sure this has been posted before somewhere, but worth watching again.
Bigfan10/6/2015 7:38:18 PM
Goo Colonials Go10/6/2015 7:49:22 PM
Bigfan, head on over to the Marfo thread. He's still making his decision!
CPots10/6/2015 8:04:31 PM
Yessss! VCU Havoc here we come...
Free Quebec10/6/2015 8:09:42 PM
Not only do I love this as a means of cementing family tradition of GW hoops, but even if he can't play quite as his dad's leve, we are going to get to watch the most exciting player in the country for four years.
I can't wait to watch the frustration of visiting fans who taunt him and expect to dominate him and then are shocked when the kid proves to tough to handle!
colonials3710/6/2015 8:31:19 PM
George Washington landed a commitment from Darnell Rogers, a 5-foot-3 point guard, from Georgia on Tuesday night.
Jeff Goodman of ESPN reported the commitment.
Rogers is the son of Shawnta Rogers, the 5-foot-4 point guard who played for the Colonials from 1995-99, earning Atlantic 10 Player of the Year honors as a senior.
“My dad is an alum, and I have a family relationship with the coaching staff,” Darnell Rogers told ESPN. “Their starting point guard is leaving when I come in. It’s a great situation for me and I also love D.C.”
In July, during the Nike Peach Jam, you may have seen clips or photos of the diminutive floor general playing for CP3, alongside arguably the nation’s top recruit, Harry Giles. In 22 appearances with CP3 in the Nike EYBL, Rogers averaged 10.0 points, 3.4 assists and 2.0 rebounds per game.
By the time Rogers reaches campus, Joe McDonald and Alex Mitola will have both exhausted their eligibility, while Paul Jorgensen and Seton Hall transfer Jaren Sina will both be juniors.
He joins power forward Collin Smith in GW’s Class of 2016. The two commits are separated by 18 inches.
Pkgw10/6/2015 8:59:51 PM
Awesome news. His dad always represented GW with class and I am sure he will as well. Congratulations Darnell on a bright academic and athletic future.
Mentzinger10/6/2015 10:18:39 PM
According to Rogers, Lonergan offered him a scholarship at a workout as an eighth-grader.
I believe that's new information.
18.104.22.16810/6/2015 10:21:26 PM
Are there any rules as to when you can offer a player a scholarship (like what grade they are in)?
the sons of liberty10/6/2015 10:40:32 PM
thinker10/7/2015 12:39:04 AM
I am truly surprised -- I just didn't expect this. It will be VERY interesting to see how Darnell's career at GW plays out.
I'll stick with what I've said before that in order to be most effective Darnell should be pressing the opposing guard bringing the ball up the court. Combined with the shot clock going down to 30 seconds, that could reduce the amount of time Darnell would be exposed on defense against a set offense.
And on offense we need to really trying to run wherever we can and allow Darnell to beat the defense up the court on the break or in transition.
I hope that Darnell's commitment means that ML wants to play that way at least part of the time and believes he'll have the talent and depth to be able to.
More than almost any recruit, I REALLY hope this works out for Darnell and GW.
Poog10/7/2015 1:04:11 AM
The least of my concerns is that Lonergan will not use Rogers in a way that maximizes his strengths and minimizes his vulnerabilities. You don't go after a guy of his size without a pretty firm understanding and commitment on how you plan to use him. Whether he has the career his father had remains to be seen but I have little doubt that Shawnta played an influential role in helping to determine whether Lonergan and GW were the best fit for his son. Hopefully, a new generation of GW fans will get the first-hand opportunity to relive a GW legend. Wally who?
The Dude10/7/2015 1:04:20 AM
Thrilled. Great news, La Famiglia Rogers, welcome home.
Darnell Rogers, great decision, very excited for you and GW.
Buff10/7/2015 9:31:42 AM
What great news! Really looking forward to see him play. His game is going to be a fast paced get up and down the floor excitement that is enjoyable to the fans. Great job ML! You are getting it DONE!! No surprises here.
The MV10/7/2015 9:45:03 AM
Interesting that Darnell has commented that based on watching his dad play overseas, he feels his own game is a bit different that Shawnta's.
Bo Knows10/7/2015 10:17:05 AM
1. I think this is going to be a very good signing for GW putting aside the obvious family connections. He is a great change of pace guy who will be hard to guard and will be a pesk on the defensive end.
2. He is not his Dad in several ways including his overall strength and ability to rebound and control the game. I think we need to be careful about exepctations here. It will be different and it is unfair to hang the albatross of his Dad's success around his neck as the bar upon which he will be judged at GW. He may well be a very effective player for us but to ask him to be Shawnta despite the inevitable comparisons given size and lineage, is unfair. I know nobody has directly said this but I think much of optimism surrounding this commitment is based on the fact that some think we are getting Shawnta II. Darnell can fall short of his Dad and still be a very effective player for GW. He will be different and it is a different game now. I hope we remember that from time to time as he steps on the court.
Pkgw10/7/2015 10:28:14 AM
i know the timing does not work but Rogers and Garino in a fast paced open court offense would be fun to watch. Spread some stretch 4s out and let Rogers create with his quickness. Would be a significant change crom our offense in recent years with Big Kevin in paint
Goo Colonials Go10/7/2015 10:40:27 AM
Good points, Bo. I think point 2 is one we'll have to constantly remind ourselves of. He's a different player and basketball is a different game than when his dad was at GW. Need to manage expectations.
That said, I think Darnell brings a lot to the table. His ball-handling and passing seems to be very strong. I could see him being a solid Havoc-breaker, and a drive and kick guy who can get some of our now-young shooters open shots.
Looks like he has a shot, too. Some have questioned if he'll be able to get it off at this level. My gut says yes--college won't be the first time where he's had to shoot over guys taller than him. But even if doesn't average 10+ ppg, I see him as a very important piece of the longer-term puzzle. No one is going to have anyone like him on their roster.
Pkgw10/7/2015 10:52:03 AM
How tall was the UMASS point guard we struggled to contain a couple years ago?
BM10/7/2015 10:59:33 AM
Thomas10/7/2015 10:59:35 AM
Pkgw, Chaz Williams was about 5-8.
Mystery Colonial10/7/2015 11:20:33 AM
Really really excited to have D2 on the squad! Of course, as with any recruit he comes with a lot of risk and unknowns, but if you watch the tape, which I know you all have, I really think he's going to shine bright here. I think his height is actually a big advantage for him, given his speed and ball-handling. In the right scheme, I can see him drawing multiple defenders constantly, and I also don't think he needs a fast-breaks to score. Obviously we'll have to wait and see how he does with D1 competition, but the dude can create his own shot, and he's going to make heads spin! Lonergan is On Again!
Mentzinger10/7/2015 11:47:23 AM
Bo +1, especially given this incredible stat line:
As a senior at George Washington, 5’4” Shawnta averaged 20.7 Points, 6.8 Assists, and led the nation with 3.6 Steals per game. He was named the Atlantic 10 Player of the Year and won the Frances Pomeroy Naismith Award (NCAAs best player under 6’).
GWAlum200110/7/2015 1:33:26 PM
Excited about this news...loved watching Shawnta play and being at GW from 1997 to 2001, he really got me into watching the team and I have been a season ticker holder ever since.
One thing I wanted to comment on was Shawnta's strength, and how that was a key part of his success. Absolutely agree, but that was all "natural" and not built at GW. During his time at GW, our strength training facilities and program where pathetic. The entire university, including the D1 athletes shared a tiny room of free weights (pre Hell Well). I shared the weight room with Shawnta and the hoops team frequently, and no one took strength training seriously. (one may argue that Ngongba was a physical speciman, which was true, but that was all god given, he didn't build that at GW).
To contrast that to our facilities and strength and conditioning program now is night and day. While Darnell may never be as strong as his pop, he will get stronger at GW.
Bo Knows10/7/2015 2:15:43 PM
Just remember that there is weight room strength and then there is basketball strength and sometimes the two are different. For example, basketball strength is often about how quick you can move with power (quick explosion off of two feet and off of one foot) and change of direction movement with power. Shawnta had exceptional lower body strength and explosion/change of direction for a guy of his build/height. He also had sneaky quick hands. Darnell definitely has some of all of that but I am not sure how much more he can get. You would have to ask Matt Johnson about that.
ELJ10/7/2015 3:35:51 PM
Having Darnell on the team is the coffee. The cream will be having 'Nut at the games to watch!
The Dude10/7/2015 4:27:03 PM
“Their starting point guard is leaving when I come in. It’s a great situation for me and I also love D.C.” Reminiscent of some recent board convos.
Haha 2001, I was at GW those same 4 years and recall being routinely kicked out of the weightroom, that tiny crappy weightroom by any GW team, often the Women's Hoops team for some reason. I also recall seeing Chris Monroe and the team eating a lot of the same crap fast food at J Street, mostly Wendy's. Surely today's Team has both better facilities, a superb trainer in Matt Johnson, and better access to a superior diet.
As for Darnell, just a reminder, the dude is very strong like Dad, here he is as a HS Frosh again:
22.214.171.12410/9/2015 8:47:18 PM
OMG.... I am so excited.
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BM10/9/2015 9:52:52 PM
darnell rogers @rogers_shawnta 4h4 hours ago
CONGRATS TO KEVIN MARFO FOR JOINING THE FAMILY #colonials
BM10/26/2015 10:47:12 AM
Some playground highlights from Darnell and his AAU teammate (and former GW recruit ) Grant Williams.
Craig Martinez1/3/2016 9:44:55 PM
Anyone have eyes or ears on anything regarding the young Rogers?
Free Quebec1/3/2016 10:46:00 PM
His speed and ball handling will be welcome against teams that pressure the ball the way Fordham did tonight. We could have used a speedy ball handler today.
Steveg2023/24/2016 3:41:29 PM
Any info on Darnell? I've heard that he's took off a season to perhaps focus on grades. As with Mitola a good PG really would elevate GWs offense. His Dad did that and more for GW and I'm hoping that Darnel and the GW coaching staff still expect him to play in 2017.
Poog3/24/2016 3:56:42 PM
As has been discussed before, Rogers was ineligible to play this year because of high school transfer rules. He is currently expected to enroll and play at GW next year. No indication this was anything more than administrative restrictions governing the transfer of students into his current school district.
The Dude3/24/2016 8:40:39 PM
Can't WAIT to see young Mr. Rogers in action
The Other MG3/25/2016 7:24:49 PM
Will we be seeing Darnell or any of our other recruits playing AAU ball this summer, or are their rules prohibiting this?
BM3/25/2016 8:35:39 PM
Kenner league up close and personal.
Mike K3/28/2016 9:09:22 PM
20 points 5 assists in Jan 2016
Craig Martinez3/31/2016 10:25:03 PM
very active on Twitter tonight. I bet he can't wait to get on the hardwood with tyler and yuta and the rest of our boys next year!
Steveg2024/5/2016 7:46:47 PM
Darnell's senior year progress is a mystery to me. Two long-time posters recently wrote Darnell is ineligible and not playing basketball while the year has been filled with no news. Mike K posted a Twitter feed that Darnell scored 20 points and 5 assists in January 2016. What gives and how come so little news from a GW bound kid whose father was one of our best players ever. With so little to talk about my interest in piqued.
FredD4/5/2016 8:04:54 PM
i thought Darnell transferred back to a previous high school and was therefore ineligible. Was this confirmed or refuted? Does he have scores and grades? Does he reconsider for any number of reasons?
Craig Martinez4/5/2016 8:47:19 PM
Darnell has retweeted numerous posts regarding GW's success and his future attendance in the last week or so. He sure seems to still think he's coming, even if some of the folks on this board don't.
Haha4/5/2016 9:24:08 PM
Guys, take a look at his Instagram and you will understand he is not detached from GW
Craig Martinez4/19/2016 9:21:42 PM
Darnell in a cast. unclear why.
darnell rogers @rogers_shawnta
Not be able to play and workout is relaxing but this not how I wanna live because that's the only thing on my mind pic.twitter.com/pP2M4wguz8
BM4/29/2016 9:24:45 PM
Not sure if this will show up since Darnell's tweets are protected, but here's proof that Shawnta was ranked #27 in the country as a senior in HS.
ziik4/29/2016 9:36:13 PM
I recall when I first heard of the guy. Jarvis said UNC was on his tail, but he got there first. It sounded like puffery, until you saw the guy on the court.
I think he would have been a great boxer. Fastest hands you never saw.
Anybody who doubts his standing in the rankings ought to hang his head.
BM10/5/2016 3:26:29 PM
BACCAS9210/5/2016 3:42:00 PM
Man look at that list of players. Garnett, Vince Carter, Marbury, Mercer, Traylor. Wow.
So basically top ten high school players are guaranteed NBA stars?
Thomas10/5/2016 4:14:38 PM
1995 was just a year that produced an enormous amount of future NBA players, Antawn Jamison(#17) and Chauncey Billups(#21) were also in that class. I believe 1988 and 2004 also produced a similar amount of NBA players. Most years, its a lot of hit and miss when you look back at the highest ranked high school players
thinker10/5/2016 5:11:27 PM
I think this should tell us that Darnell's issues with getting into GW were likely connected to academics not some internal GW politics issue.
I hope he has a great years and we get to see him excel in college next year.
Bigfan10/5/2016 5:45:23 PM
Have a suggestion where he can play after a successful prep year.Worked out great for his father.
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