the dude1/17/2017 4:25:19 PM
We badly need a win after a tough stretch. Does it happen at home vs Dukes tomorrow night?
Thoughts on Duquense? The game, matchups, etc?
the dude1/17/2017 4:26:47 PM
Duquesne that is, pardon the spelling!
ziik1/17/2017 4:41:25 PM
Both teams show up. Some may wonder, why? Guys here will mope, no matter the outcome.
the mv1/17/2017 4:58:42 PM
A number of people have commented on how bad Duquesne, how lowly they are, how pathetic we are if we can't beat them, etc. All I'm going to say is that while Mason and Colter have graduated and Gill transferred to Maryland, they have four starters in double figures including one freshman (Isiaha Mike) who has been a two time conference rookie of the week and another (Mike Lewis III) who has made 32 3's, a Niagara transfer (Blackman) who is a swiss army knife type and a point guard (Tarin Smith) who has a better A:TO ratio than Jaren. They have beaten Pitt this season, and are ahead of us in the conference standings (at 2-3) including a road win at Fordham. Not predicting a GW loss but let's at least have an understanding that they are improving while we thus far have not been.
the dude1/17/2017 5:33:31 PM
Yea, Dukes are better than some may have suggested. No gimme win.
Dope throwback uniforms! Missing.... matching huge 70's Afro.
nostradamus1/17/2017 5:34:16 PM
71-66 GW... final score closer than the game actually is but GW wins easliy
swish1/17/2017 6:07:24 PM
colonial ny1/17/2017 6:09:30 PM
GW finally gets a win. 71-68. Won't be easy but there are no style points to be awarded this season.
the other mg1/17/2017 6:55:39 PM
GW wins, 69-68, and I will take it. Our last basket from Colonial NY's prediction is waved off.
swish1/17/2017 7:19:40 PM
Strange time to be taking a shot, at the buzzer with a 1 point lead.
gw691/17/2017 8:09:12 PM
Everytime we play the Dukes I can't help but think of one of
my all time favorite names.When I was a mere tyke I remember
watching Temple playing them on TV--1954 or 55.The star for the
Dukes that year was Sihugo Green.I just fell in love with that name and never forgot it.
In the draft of 56 he was taken first ahead of Bill Russell!!!
He played for 9 years? and never was a factor for the Rochester Royals.
Died of cancer in his 40's.
The only Sihugo I've ever heard of.
the dude1/17/2017 8:22:32 PM
Passing on Russell to pick Si Green could be the worst draft decision of all time. Sam Bowie might have something to say about that.
tmj1/17/2017 8:31:07 PM
herve1/17/2017 9:21:10 PM
GW 70, Dukes 59
elj1/17/2017 11:58:25 PM
GW69, you may also recall that Sihugo Green's star partner with Duquesne that year was a two-sport legend, Dick Ricketts, who later played major league ball with the Pirates. But Joe Holup and Corky Devlin used to beat those guys like a drum for GW.
the dude1/18/2017 12:13:58 AM
Pretty incredible to have one 3 time All-American. Those Dukes team had TWO 3 time all-Americans, Ricketts and Green.
Rickets was also the first overall pick in the NBA draft, and he also died very young, around age 50.
long suffering fan1/18/2017 12:28:19 AM
Vegas says GW -8. Vegas also says Duquesne +335, GW -425. We didn't just lose the last 3 games...we failed to keep it competitive. GW in free fall. Tempted to take Duquesne on the money line, but GW will pull it out 79-77. My only cause for optimism? Our worst RPI loss so far this season is 125 (UAB). Duquesne is 203. There are intangibles that coaches bring with them, one of which is maintaining team morale in the face of adversity. A big test for a young coach. I had previously discussed seeing fear and panic on faces of players...this is not the same as saying they don't play hard, because they do, they just come apart under pressure. We can most definitely lose this game.
the dude1/18/2017 12:47:23 AM
GW played 5 very close games under Mojo and won them all.
The fear and panic you are imagining on the player's faces sounds like projection.
maine colonial1/18/2017 8:14:43 AM
This is going to be an interesting game because MoJo used the last two games to test Jair and he performed well. Now how is MoJo going to distribute the minutes among the guards and also in the front court? Besides shoring up the defense, MoJo's other big challenge is getting Tyler back on track. Hopefully Tyler will feast tonight.
dc native1/18/2017 8:50:17 AM
How can you have 1970s style throwback unis with shorts that extend below the knees?
maine colonial1/18/2017 9:26:34 AM
Because the team would have transferred if the players were forced to wear 1970s-style short shorts and knee-high tube socks.
long suffering fan1/18/2017 1:26:55 PM
have you not seen the loss of composure on this team in game after game this season? Let me tell you what to look for. Players dribbling coast to coast and putting up a wild shot. Players passing the ball right into the hands of the other team. Players comletely out of position. The other team dunking on us without a defender in sight. I am not even talking about just the blowout losses, ala Florida State and VCU (I hope the therapist that had to treat them when ML was mean to them is still available for the PTSD they suffered during those loses. They had no idea what hit them at St. Joes, or Lasalle, or Richmond. Even some of the wins. Bowie State, Sienna, UMES...we fell apart when the other team came on strong...fortunately these teams were so bad that we were able to hang on. Even our signature win vs. Temple we fell apart at the end and blew a very large lead, but was fortunate that TC hit that 3 point shot. When the team is unravelling, it would be nice to have a coach that is able to put in an answer other than to pat the air with palms down and tell them to calm down.
maine colonial1/18/2017 1:41:26 PM
You mean a coach like we had when Pato, Joe, Kethan and Kevin were freshmen?
fmc1/18/2017 1:42:55 PM
This is all coming from the suffering fan who blamed every loss on ML's coaching too. Also, making fun of the kids for feeling abused by ML isn't cool.
maine colonial1/18/2017 1:45:52 PM
In case you forgot, here's a LINK Oh, look...The team was 13-17.
the dude1/18/2017 1:59:50 PM
What makes that 17 loss season even more remarkable was we all recall a nearly identical personnel went 24-9 and NCAA the next season. Was ML a bad Coach in year 2 and a great Coach in year 3?
GW this year has rallied multiple times from huge deficits. They aren't fearful and panic stricken, they are young, inconsistent and inexperienced, that is to say its an almost entirely new team coming together, with only Ty and Yuta having played together at any length.
the mv1/18/2017 2:07:47 PM
Cut it out LSF; Lonergan isn't coming back so lay off MoJo. (I hope you know that's a joke.)
I know, MoJo is doing the best he can under very difficult circumstances. He should be immune from any criticism as a result. Got it.
Of course, LSF, anyone with 1/2 of an objective brain can see the unraveling and lack of confidence. Only those who can't bear to read another word about how it would only be fair and reasonable to learn Mike's side of the story can't see the forest through the trees. They are too busy trying to squash this story to actually understand what's taking place on the court.
We are 1-4 in the conference. Had we been 4-1, you would only be reading a small fraction's worth of criticisms if any. At 1-4, everyone needs to deal with it because it's unfortunately warranted.
newgwfan1/18/2017 2:24:02 PM
Teflon Mojo as he's known to GW Fans, you guys need to get over it, people are going to critique his performance on this season. Mojo is going to be graded on this season for one reason, it's his only track record. Sorry but we can't reference his past success/failure because HE HAS NEVER BEEN A HEAD COACH BEFORE. So if he's 9-9 and if he finishes with an equally bad record as ML from his first or second year, guess what, he won't be the coach here next year. It's not an ideal situation for Mojo, but if he's can't figure out a way to have this team play better defense and have that translate into more W's he's not going to get the position. In fact I would suggest this game tonight is due or die for him. If the team doesn't come out angry and energized to defend their home court and beat a middle of the pack Duquense team then it's not meant to be.
In comparing ML's second season at GW 13-17 guess why he wasn't fired, probably cause he spent 6 years at UVM and went 126-68 and 12 seasons at Catholic going 251-88. That's what you call a track record. His team was showing progress which translate the next three years at GW to going 24-9, 22-13, 28-10. Not too shabby.
Mojo doesn't get the same leash that ML had, partly cause ML had a 5 year contract at the time. Mojo is on a one year contract.
the other mg1/18/2017 2:31:53 PM
SWISH - We get the rebound of a missed shot, Colin Smith passes ahead to Toro, flashing down court before they can foul Smith, and Toro slams it, right after the buzzer sounds. I dreamed it.
I remember Duquesne great Willie Somerset, who couldn't have been more than 5'9, but was an unstoppable load.
swish1/18/2017 2:47:02 PM
MG, may your words prove prophetic. GW needs a W!
maine colonial1/18/2017 2:50:03 PM
It's fine to evaluate MoJo but it's not fine to pretend ML could do any better with a bunch of freshmen because, with all of his years of experience, ML certainly didn't do any better his first two years at GW: 10-21 (5-11 in A10) and 13-17 (7-9 in A10). So MoJo still has a chance to improve upon ML's first two seasons if he can win more than four games the rest of the year.
fmc1/18/2017 3:11:20 PM
spot on Maine, man, the Mojo bashers make reading this board painful. this season has little to do with Mojo, and a lot to do with the graduation of the Core and years of not properly replacing them
same few folks bashing Mojo, bashed ML and blamed every loss on his supposed coaching shortcomings. I guess it makes them feel less inadequate to pretend they know more than people who do this for a living. you want to win in college? recruit good players. stop pretending this year is about Mojo, its shortcoming in the roster his predecessor brought in
the only way to avoid an enormous drop, would be to get big seasons from a lot of the newcomers, chiefly Steeves, Sina, and Marfo the top recruit. none of that has happened yet.
newgwfan1/18/2017 3:20:37 PM
ML's lack of success in year one and year two to me was a result of him having to adapt (which he did poorly) to the players he inherited and implement his system and recruit players that fit his mold. With that said, I think your misplaced in suggesting that ML would have struggled just because he would have had an influx of freshman. His system was in place, he brought in all of these players. He would have had experience coaching TC, Yuta, Roland, Hart, and Sina (albeit from practices). I think it's possible ML would have done better, but we never will truely know and it is possible he would have done worse. That questions will never have a clear answer to.
I think I've said this before, but I think ML would have molded TC to have a season very similar to Evan Fjeld who he coached at UVM. Fjeld (10 pts and 6 boards) was a starter and part of the NCAA team at UVM that was led by their star Senior Marques Blakely, Maurice Joseph, and Nick Vier. After those three graduated the consencous was the team would take a step back and instead they maintained the same level of play and Fjeld led the team scoring 15 points a game and 6 boards a game. I think TC has regressed this season, you look at his stats and they are on par with last year but his gone from being a 50% FG shooter to a 38% shooter. That's scary stuff.
My bottom line is I do think there is a difference in coaching and the team is not performing up to the level they would have if a coaching change was not made. Unfortunately a coaching change was made, and we have to live with that.
I don't disagree with your statement that Mojo can improve upon ML's first two season if he wins four games the rest of the season. I don't think it will be grounds to give him the job full time. He hasn't shown me that he's capable of winning in the A-10 in the near to immediate future.
the mv1/18/2017 3:20:40 PM
Maine, these comparisons are asinine. Lonergan's first year, he had Hobbs recruits who he had nothing to do with recruiting (unlike MoJo who helped recruit the current team and who had prior experience coaching five of these players) who were recruited to GW to play a different style and tempo than what ML demanded, plus John Kopriva. In year 2, he recruits a significant freshman class plus picks up a role player from Villanova in Zeke Armwood. MoJo inherits a talented freshman class plus he has the MVP of last year's NIT, a burgeoning player in Yuta, and a former Big East all-rookie team selection in Jaren Sina.
To suggest that MoJo has inherited an equally bad if not worse situation from a talent standpoint than Lonergan did in his first season (really either of his first two seasons but the second season is arguable whereas the first season is not even close) is laughable. Therefore, comparing their won-loss records also makes no sense.
the mv1/18/2017 3:25:21 PM
And FMC, nobody here is a Mojo basher. Start 1-4 in the conference, coach a team that looks unprepared and unconfident, guess what? You are going to get some criticism. That has nothing to do with Lonergan being dismissed.
Win 4 of the next 5 and you'll likely see a lot less criticism. Until then, it's simply hard to hide behind 1-4, no matter how hard you try.
class of 051/18/2017 3:36:44 PM
The irony of that statement, coming from a man who spent years berating people about how great Hobbs was and then spent two more years arguing ML was left good players by Hobbs and squandered it with bad Coaching, is staggering.
As many have noted, there's a clear parallel between this year's team and the 2012/13 team.
fmc1/18/2017 3:39:41 PM
Mojo bashing began game 1, after a win. Continued after every loss, and even some of the wins. Comes from the handful of most argumentative people here, who were they to acknowledge the issue is we need better players, would not have much to constantly argue about. Creates a lot of heat, very little light.
bigfan1/18/2017 3:45:42 PM
So, since a poster said those unhappy with Mojo are the same who questioned ML, doesn't that prove more evenhandedness than bashers (or a personal favorite term of inaccuracy designed to facistically shut down debate) culters?
Actually extending to Mojo the same opinions we had with ML.
See we all like Mojo and all are rooting for him to succeed. But some wonder what the hell happened, why is Mojo suddenly in charge and what is he doing with this great opportunity.
We should win tonight, and frankly, it should be easy, if one reads the odds post correctly.
ziik1/18/2017 3:52:30 PM
An awful lot of argument for its own sake today.
the mv1/18/2017 3:59:00 PM
Nice try 05 but not exactly. I did go on about Hobbs from the standpoint that he had great success at GW and that I felt many people here had very short memories when it came to wanting to fire him. I also felt that after two dismal years, he had turned the corner a bit with two years of improvement before he was let go. I did not think he should have been fired, for sure. However, it is inaccurate of you to suggest that I felt Lonergan was inheriting good players and was squandering the opportunity with bad coaching. What I did say repeatedly, was that there was a bad fit between Hobbs's players and the way they wanted to play and ML's coaching style and the way he wanted them to play. That was Year 1 of Lonergan's run in a nutshell. Year 2 was about playing a ton of freshmen and living with the mistakes that freshmen often make while gaining experience (which is a similarity that moJo is experiencing this season.).
One last thing, since I am not familiar with "Class of 05" and yet you clearly read if not comprehended what I had to write six years ago or so, why not just use the poster name that I and others would be familiar with?
the mv1/18/2017 4:01:39 PM
Yes, FMC. Game 1 saw GW nearly blow a 19 point lead to one of the worst teams in America before escaping with a 4 point victory. It's amazing that I didn't feel like coming on here and saying "great game coach."
ziik1/18/2017 4:04:26 PM
fmc1/18/2017 4:07:32 PM
Ziik, you are right. As I said, lot of heat, very little light.
invictus1/18/2017 4:14:59 PM
Players play. Players win and lose. Coaches recruit players. Acting like a jackass on the sidelines might get you a call or two, but even ML wasn't a jackass enough for that, it take Hurley level antics. The biggest decision a Coach makes is which 5 players to have on the court.
Anyone have anything to say about the game tonight, the Dukes, etc? Same ol' Mojo is to blame gets very old, perhaps start a single chain and you can voice all of your Mojo blame there.
the mv1/18/2017 4:33:21 PM
it's funny, and not the slightest bit coincidental, how some of you substitute the word "blame" for the word "criticize". There is not a single poster, myself included, who is blaming MoJo for this season. That said, this does not make him immune from criticism. It's about time some of you antagonists realize that.
sgw1/18/2017 4:43:34 PM
If you feel ML got screwed, and maybe he did, you can take solace in this one fact for his sake:
Years of poor ML recruiting, the reason this team is suffering a huge dropoff, is now being displaced onto the interim Coach for not waving his hands and yelling enough on the sidelines by the loudest few posters. Pretty sure the bulk of the fan base is not fooled by this.
long suffering fan1/18/2017 4:48:25 PM
My post was meant to be a response to Dude, who doesn't see the fear and panic on the faces of the players, which I thought was quite obvious. The rest of my post was just to get some of you going. It is so easy.
gw05091/18/2017 4:48:58 PM
I somewhat agree MV; I wish people WERE criticizing MoJo's in-game decision making during and after games, but too often it gets boiled down to arguing about whether ML would've gotten a different result. Evaluate MoJo on the merits (like: is he utilizing the best lineups, defensive-schemes, etc.), not what the record would be if someone else is coaching, because right now that discussion is irrelevant.
rich maier1/18/2017 4:53:10 PM
Today's best quote is from MV 'And FMC, nobody here is a Mojo basher'. Oh, really.
bo knows1/18/2017 4:55:12 PM
So to understand it correctly, some fan in the cheap seats could come down and coach UCLA to mutiple titles in the 1960s and 1970s. Who needs John Wooden since they had the best talent? Coach K? Nope it was all talent. Funny how the one of the supposed best teams in NCAA history (UNLV) lost to Duke despite having more talent. Fab 5 won every year right? The Creighton, Virginia, Wichita State wins were because we had more talent right?
Those that discount the role of coaching in a college game have either never been on the bench, been to many practices or seen the behind the scenes work. This isn't the NBA where talent is experienced and largely available. College basketball coaches impact the game positively and negatively from recruiting, to practice, to scheme, to in-game adjustments. It's called a program for a reason and the CEO of the program is the head coach.
There is zero question that ML from A to Z would have this team playing better. That's not a knock on Mojo. There would be something wrong if that wasn't the case given the vast disparity in experience. Mojo is like the sous chef promoted to head chef trying to cook the meal at the same level of quality. It might happen but it is going to take time since the recipes were the head chefs (at least for this year).
And that statement has zero to do with the reasons (or lack thereof) for dismissal. That is a purely basketball analysis.
Ask yourself this, if Mojo and ML were the same, why didn't GW move earlier. They could have saved some money. Of course, we all know the reason. Don't conflate the conflict between ML and PN with coaching ability. There has never been a doubt about ML's coaching ability at any level. He has proven results at three different schools including at GW.
I like and respect Mojo so let's not get this twisted. Nobody and I mean nobody in the college basketball world thought GW helped themselves on the court this season by removing ML. I don't believe anyone at the University believes that either notwithstanding their views on ML's conduct.
That all said, it's Mojo's job for at least the moment so we should support him - win or lose. I have refrained from any criticism because he gets a pass this season and he didn't ask for this. Not his fault regardless of the results given the time he was given to prepare. If Mojo were to win every game left on the schedule I would still believe everything posted above.
sgw1/18/2017 5:37:39 PM
Rich M! Good spot, I think that pretty much sums up this chain.
Let me make it a little clearer, the team is not going through a huge drop off because ML is not here to Coach it, the team is struggling because the players ML brought here to Coach, almost all of them except two who barely played ever for the team before. A mixture of inexperience, youth, and some player who are just not as good as the guys we watched the last three seasons who have almost all departed, except the two, very slow to replace them.
maine colonial1/18/2017 6:11:18 PM
We need a head chef who knows how to cook and doesn't have as much turnover in the kitchen. Plus, he needs to get along with the general manager.
high flyer1/18/2017 6:19:50 PM
Gentlemen we have a game tonight, onto the game, lets GO GW, time to get back to winning.
bobo1/18/2017 6:19:54 PM
Talent trumps coaching. But those bashing the level of talent on the team aren't making an argument to keep MoJo. They are making an argument to replace the entire staff. MoJo has been able to recruit the previous 3 years, Carm 2 and Hajj 5. If they haven't recruited well they all need to be replaced.
bobo1/18/2017 6:24:19 PM
If you couldn't recruit as an assistant coach, why the hell should we hire you as a head coach?
mentzinger1/18/2017 6:26:23 PM
GW 79 DU 76. TC with 18. Still no technical from MJ.
fmc1/18/2017 6:44:46 PM
I would hire a proven recruiter, not Mojo.
Point is, ML created this team, and it is what is because of ML. Mojo has done a decent Coaching job, he's been fine, we need better players, you want to say as an assistant he shares part of the blame, ok. But bitching about his Coaching incessantly is just a bunch of empty noise.
the dude1/18/2017 6:45:13 PM
maine colonial1/18/2017 6:48:06 PM
To beat a dead horse, Sports Reference has a stat for each team's average years experience weighted by minutes played.
It looks like this team is by far the youngest since Sports Reference began calculating this stat.
2010-12 2.7 years
2011-12 2.9 years
2012-13 3.0 years
2013-14 2.9 years
2014-15 2.7 years
2015-16 2.5 years
2016-17 1.2 years
This is the youngest GW team by far, which explains why the defense isn't as tight and the players with less experience aren't as consistent game-to-game. Hopefully they are going to grow up fast beginning tonight.
invictus1/18/2017 6:58:41 PM
Very hard to blame recruiting on a single assistant, just too hard to know who was responsible for which guys. The entire ML assistants in recent years & above all ML? Yeah, not good enough.
The early ML staff with Strickland & Sutton? really good.
roost 971/18/2017 7:06:42 PM
Anyone able to stream the game on A10 website?
gw1/18/2017 7:11:46 PM
holy shit no flex
greenpoint ny1/18/2017 7:12:01 PM
gw1/18/2017 7:52:10 PM
Look like a basketball team on offense so much better pace. Shitcan that flex.
rkelley1/18/2017 8:36:40 PM
What the fuck is going on in this game?
rkelley1/18/2017 8:48:01 PM
UGLY. We better win this or I'm going to have stroke. Especially now that Yuta is injurred. Really hope Yuta is aokay.
td1/18/2017 9:00:22 PM
That's injured? Damn. Is it serious?
td1/18/2017 9:01:00 PM