Whither Darnell?
FredD
 8/22/2016 7:24:35 PM      Replies: 71

FredD8/18/2016 8:56:33 AM

I looked on the recruits page and the Darnell threads I could find and there was no explanation for the fact that he is not listed on the 2016-2017 roster on the GW Sports website. The obvious answer is he didn't get into GW and if that is the case I would have thought it would be the lead topic at least for a day. Thanks

96.231.213.648/18/2016 9:00:28 AM

The party line is that Darnell is great, everytthing is fine, will be playing by January, just a little bump in the road,  at 5'3" will be the greatest player ever to wear a GW uniform.

Remember Fort Myer8/18/2016 9:11:15 AM

The George Washington University has an obligation to stretch the rules and provide extra help so that some deserving applicants can make a go of it.  But is anyone other than me wondering just what GW's academic standards are?

Maine Colonial8/18/2016 9:36:26 AM

The last two players to transfer to GW to play men's basketball came from Dartmouth and Harvard. Across Rock Creek, they just took on two guys from Robert Morris and Allegany junior college, which obviously can't compare academically to the two Ivys. We have incoming players who choose GW for the academics and go on to make the A10 academic lists each year. Their student managers are the only ones who were on this year's Big East academic list. So it's not close comparing which program has higher academic standards. If the coaches and administration think Darnell can cut it academically once he qualifies then I think he deserves a shot to prove it. 

JAE8/18/2016 9:39:17 AM

Thanks Maine.

 

BM8/18/2016 10:00:37 AM

Maine,

Pryor also spent time at two JUCOs (last one being Cloud County CC) before playing one season with the Robert Morris Colonials.

Maine Colonial8/18/2016 10:19:24 AM

Hopefully "Poster" will look into that next when he gets back from Rio and filing his last hard hitting story about an athlete in a Beyoncé video, Zika, thongs and trash. Too bad Kilgore didn't think to track down Pato while he was down there and do a feature story on him being the heir to Manu and the Golden Generation That would have been too obvious and would have conflicted with his obvious agenda.

96.231.213.648/18/2016 10:24:53 AM

Oh I think our friend Kilgore is going to have plenty to write about when he gets back from Rio, Maine Colonial. Not to worry.

Playa8/18/2016 10:26:11 AM

Thanks Maine Colonial for both outstanding posts. 

Maine Colonial8/18/2016 11:41:14 AM

As a Syracuse alum, I would think Kilgore would also love giving equal attention to the questionable academic standards of the parochial school's men's basketball team. I can't imagine what the transfers' transcripts look like given the schools they came from. Clearly JTIII was desperate for help generating offense.

Bigfan8/18/2016 2:48:51 PM

They are scared of the father and a combination of sycophancy and political correctness would never allow them to challenge anything built by the great (ass) JT.

Kilgore should stay in Rio. Maybe he can find a job as a different kind of prostitute than his current position. Then when a client jokes about his gender or says a mean thing, he can call up Page 1.

Rimhigh8/18/2016 7:08:42 PM

I heard that in the only interview that Kilgore gave regarding his article on Lonergan/GW, he made a statement saying that Garino was playing for Spain.  That guy is just freaking all over it.

Maine Colonial8/18/2016 9:23:48 PM

Why is Paul White transferring less than two weeks before classes start on the other side of Rock Creek? LINK Hopefully Kilgore can get to the bottom of that.

Maine Colonial8/18/2016 9:39:37 PM

From their fan board: "When Bennimon left:

"Jerrelle is transferring and although he has not announced where he will go, wherever it is, we wish him all of the best." Coach Thompson said.

When Nikita left:

"Nikita expressed the interest to transfer to a school where he knows he will get more playing time than he feels he will get here," Thompson said. "We wish him the best in his future endeavors and appreciate his hard work."

When Macklin left:

"We appreciate the hard work he put in at Georgetown, both on and off the floor," Thompson said. "We wish him the best in the future."

All of those are from the guhoyas.com press releases announcing those transfers. Interesting that JT3 is silent in White's press release."

I wonder how their transfer rate compares to GW's? An investigative reporter like Kilgore could figure that out. Maybe he should contact the former players and find out what's going on behind what their fans call the "Iron Curtain." Kilgore could offer to keep their names anonymous of course.

 

 

96.231.213.648/18/2016 11:21:51 PM

I think we need to add Maine Colonial to the list of those who will not be able to handle what unfolds at GW in the near future. 

Maine Colonial8/18/2016 11:32:28 PM

Since JTIII became head coach across the creek in 2004, at least 14 players have transferred out: Paul White just left; Stephen Domingo in 2014; Jerrelle Benimon in 2011; Vee Sanford in 2011; Nikita Mescheriakov in 2009; Omar Wattad in 2009; Vernon Macklin in 2008; Jeremiah Rivers in 2008; Octavius Spann in 2007; Marc Egerson in 2007; Josh Thornton in 2006; Ray Reed in 2005; Cornelio Guibunda in 2005; and Matt Causey in 2004. After JTIII took the job, three of five players from the 2004-5 recruiting class eventually transferred out: Egerson, Spann and Thornton. Two of three players in the 2005-6 recruiting class transferred: Macklin and Rivers. Two of four players in the 2006-7 recruiting class transferred: Mesheriakov and Wattad. All four members of the 2007-8 recruiting class stuck with the program. Two of three members of the 2008-9 recruiting class transferred: Benimon and Sanford. So examining JTIII's early tenure, 9 of 19 players or 47% of the 2004 to 2008 recruiting classes transferred out. According to Kilgore's story, 13 players have transferred out in Mike's first five seasons. Is there a huge disparity between the schools' transfer rates early on in JTIII's and Lonergan's tenures? I would argue there isn't. Also worth noting is that in JTIII's 11 seasons coaching across the creek, this is the first time he has ever accepted junior college transfers and he now effectively has two. So is he compromising his academic standards and the school's in order to try to save his job? Clearly. Will "Poster" dig into this further? Doubtful.

Bigfan8/19/2016 12:06:40 AM

Very good points and researched stats, Maine Colonial.

Sure it' s a case of emotional abuse; there are no other reasons for transferring.

And while our transfers have come from Harvard,Dartmouth, Seton Hall and an economics major from Wake Forest,they are now taking two JUCOS.

But we are the ones with the bad program,if you believe The Post,which no sane person would.

BC8/19/2016 12:12:13 AM

Just how many WaPo writers have said bad things about GW?  Kilgore and who else?  Ignoring us is not the same thing as giving us bad press or exposing dirty laundry.

Thomas8/19/2016 12:52:06 AM

Maine Colonial, I wasn't aware that Paul White transferred from Georgetown until you posted, and I'll admit that I read the Hoya board on a regular basis, it will be interesting to hear how they spin this!! What's funny is, a few months ago a poster on their board actually started a thread in which he praised the staff and players because no one transferred from Georgetown. I guess that poster forgot or wasn't aware of Georgetown's high number of transfers in recent years. We all understand that transfers are common now in college basketball, but a player transferring right before the school year starts??

I believe Georgetown was 1 over the scholarship limit this year and the solution was going to be that Trey Mourning(the son of NBA/Georgetown great Alonzo) would pay for his scholarship this year so they wouldn't be over the limit. Maybe they just convinced Paul White that he'll get more playing time somewhere else!!!  Paul White was also injured for most of last season and I don't think Georgetown ever applied for a redshirt for him, which may have indicated that they weren't too enthused about what he could do in the future for them.

That was some good info that you and BM provided about their grad transfer Rodney Pryor. I thought he was at Robert Morris for 4 years(playing 3 of those 4 years) and then decided to transfer to Georgetown. I didn't realize that he bounced around JUCO's. Also, Georgetown's student managers are the only ones who made this year's Big East All-Academic list....WOW!!! And they like to thumb their noses at other BCS programs as if their players are academic elites!!!

Maine Colonial8/19/2016 5:03:33 AM

In addition to the 14 players listed above, Brandon Bolden transferred out of Georgetown in May 2013. He played one season and entered four games totaling one missed shot in five minutes of playing time.  

Maine Colonial8/19/2016 6:22:33 AM

If Kilgore examines the University of Maryland program, he will discover a similar pattern of transfers and departures under Turgeon during his first five seasons as he rebuilt the program. A quick search turned up the following: In 2011, three months after Turgeon took over the program, forward Haukur Palsson of Iceland left with three years of eligibility remaining. In 2013, junior point guard Pe'Shon Howard left after three years with the program. In April 2014, Shaquille Cleare, Nick Faust and Roddy Peters announced they were leaving the program. A month later in May 2014, Charles Mitchell and Seth Allen announced they also were leaving the program. In August 2014, incoming freshman center Trayvon Reed didn't enroll after "failing to meet the standards that are required." A number of others including Diamond Stone left the program early to turn pro. What makes Maryland and Georgetown different from GW is they have been able to keep the outgoing players from complaining publicly or anonymously about their disappointment. But the end result is the same in all three instances: a significant number of players have transferred out to make way for new talent that better fit each coach's style and make the teams more competitive. If GW has had slightly more turnover, it's because Lonergan hasn't been able to tap into the same talent pool as the other two programs and has had to gamble on borderline high Divsion 1 players at times. Maybe Steinberg or Kilgore could do a sidebar comparing the turnover at all three programs and how they all show a similar pattern early on in each coach's tenure?

Skittles8/19/2016 10:53:49 AM

14 players transferred in 12 years? What's there to investigate? We have a rate that's probably 400%+ that. That's why WaPo looked into it. 

Shofaz+18/19/2016 10:54:28 AM

that post above was me 

96.231.213.648/19/2016 11:06:24 AM

I'm guessing the WAPO hasn't looked into Georgetown or Maryland because they weren't contacted by players from those schools sharing disgusting stories about the head coach---after going to the school and the school doing nothing about it......

Poster, Shofaz+18/19/2016 12:02:58 PM

Transfers are now part of the college basketball landscape and impact all D-1 programs. What's unique about GW's situation and what the investigation will ultimately show is that we are the only university in which the AD is having inappropriate contact with players and has his responsibilities altered as a result. Chew on this for a bit (just found this out from someone in the know): the AD was the only person alive back in March who DIDN'T want GW to accept the invitation to the NIT. It's all starting to make sense now.

Bo Knows8/19/2016 12:29:59 PM

400% of that ... huh? So we have had 48 players transfer in 12 years? Nothing like a little exaggeration.

Here are the transfers since ML arrived ...

Davis, Guest, Pellom, Kromah, Maragkos, Cartagena, Savage, Jorgensen, Swan, Griffin, Bryant, Cimino = 12

Of the 12, 1/3 (4) were not recruited by ML. Prior to this year, ML has recruited 18 scholarship players to GW (those with 2 or more years of eligibility meaning they could leave - I won't count the one-year transfers or non-scholarship walkons). Eight of those players have left or a transfer rate of 44%. The national average was about 39% in 2015 but is probably even higher now (source:http://sports.cbslocal.com/2015/03/25/college-basketballs-transfer-problem/ ). 

So wtf are we really talking about here???????? I swear if lunacy was a currency we'd have several posters (and apparently a Post reporter) who could comprise the Federal Reserve.

Remember Fort Myer8/19/2016 12:31:51 PM

The point I was trying to make yesterday was whether GW was trying to put a square peg (Darnell) into a round hole (GW's academic standards).  Unless Darnell is going to be the next Calvin Murphy or Muggsy Bogues, its seems that he is being strung along and that would be a disservice to him.  I thought a school like GW has academics as its first priority.  Not sure it matters what Georgetown does or whether we have Ivy transfers.  How does Darnell fit into the academic mission of GWU?

BC8/19/2016 12:51:10 PM

I'm the father of two learning disabled children, and if GW wants to admit a learning disabled kid, then the more damn power to them.  Shawnta had a learning disability has well.   Doesn't mean they're not intelligent, my daughter is relatively so, it just means that they have struggles in some day-to-day learning.  There are ways to overcome these deficits, shouldn't we encourage this rather than deride it?

Remember Fort Myer8/19/2016 1:08:37 PM

I was unaware of the reason that Darnell does not seem to be ready to play basketball at GW.  But I am sensitive to the need for all schools to provide customized support for the learning disabled.  If that is part of the academic mission of GW, great. But does anyone know to what degree this is part of the mission? And does it extend to students who do not play basketball?

BC8/19/2016 3:23:40 PM

I don't know whether he is or not learning disabled, but his father was IIRC.  It's always been a possibility in my eyes.  Perhaps I'm more sensitive about it than others.

Remember Fort Myer8/19/2016 3:56:16 PM

This must be GW's most mysterious recruit ever, or is there another?

I know this is a basketball board, but maybe instead of wishing that he show up on the court, we should be wishing that he shows up at graduation with something of life-long value under his belt. Better still, both should happen.  

I should now shut up on this subject.

ziik8/19/2016 4:05:06 PM

Cheap shot, Ft. Myer. We all have been stupid and rude, but, you take the cake so far for today. What are your values?

bobo8/19/2016 4:05:57 PM

If Darnell is attending GW and taking classes, as has been relayed on this board earlier, then GW will see if he can handle the accademic workload.  If he can, he'll be able to play once the NCAA Clearinghouse clears him to do so, whether that be 2nd semester this year or the start of next season.

Remember Fort Myer8/19/2016 4:12:46 PM

Bea, would you come to my defense?

thinker8/19/2016 5:00:22 PM

I don't know that transfers absent any other issues raise that much concern. Once other issues are raised then it opens transfers to being more closely scrutinized. Obviously a number of players that have transfered out have raised concerns about ML's treatment of them. That brings greater scrutiny.

JTIII has as a matter of policy recruited over players and forced out guys that didn't fit. That's just what he's always done. Some schools and fans are OK with that and some aren't. I think it's understood there that if you don't cut it you're going to have to leave.

dmvpiranha8/19/2016 5:14:12 PM

I can't understand what the rush is for Darnell to play in the second semester if he is cleared then. Wouldn't that be a waste of a year of playing time to play only half of it? Better off red-shirting him so we can enjoy watching him for all eight semesters if he passes the academic qualifications. It would also give him valuable practice time which seemed to help Tyler when he transferred here

Maine Colonial8/19/2016 5:15:56 PM

If you listen to Kilgore's radio interview, he said it was the number of transfers that raised the red flag and convinced them to look into the player's allegations further. But the difference in transfer rates between the three programs in their head coaches' first five seasons is pretty insignificant. As far as Kilgore's radio interview goes, Kilgore actually said on the radio that Garino would be playing in the Olympics for Italy so maybe he couldn't find Pato to interview him because he attended the wrong games? And as for learning disabiilities, both Magic Johnson and John Thompson overcame them to attend college and become productive adults. They seem to have done fine. And they aren't alone: LINK

The Dude8/19/2016 5:16:54 PM

Very rare for GW to do that, although in this case it may well make sense.

Mentzinger8/19/2016 6:31:09 PM

Patience while the Clearinghouse does its usual yeoman's work vetting Darnell's academics. This is a recruit ML will stick by till the bitter end.

Bigfan8/19/2016 10:23:31 PM

Let' s not presume what we don' t know.

And FYI folks,believe Darnell is bilingual and speaks Italian,maybe French,from when his great father played overseas.

Bigfan8/19/2016 10:31:09 PM

On Kilgore,bet he wouldn't have known GW basketballl from his ass or a hole in the ground,before anonymous email that no reputable media bit on.

Aso in that radio interview,believe he slipped and let his true feelings out, saying smugly, " I reject that, " when asked whether Lonergan was just a tough coach,like many in the profession.

Reporters are supposed to be neutral,not take sides.

From the interview,pretty clear that smarmy Kilgore is far from neutral.

 

96.247.193.598/19/2016 11:45:12 PM

Curious tweet from Darnell dated August 16th, leading me to wonder if he traveled to Japan with the team even if he is not able to play.

Japan girls so real😳

Long Suffering Fan8/19/2016 11:55:31 PM

Above post from me

Skittles8/20/2016 11:44:10 AM

The son of the best player in program history was rejected by GW yesterday.  This would never have happened if Kvancz and Chernak were still around.  I feel bad for Darnell and ML.

BC8/20/2016 11:56:25 AM

That's disappointing if true,, and I expect it is, since skittles is reliable.

96.231.61.698/20/2016 12:16:25 PM

So GW is supposed to have academic standards for everybody but Darnell Rogers? 

dmvpiranha8/20/2016 12:38:16 PM

It seems to be true. He has removed the GW banner from his twitter account

ziik8/20/2016 12:58:17 PM

That rejection letter ought to have an explanation of what he needs to do to ask for reconsideration. A year at prep or Juco? so what. we belong together.

Bballfan8/20/2016 1:04:16 PM

Sad day for GW Basketball.  Hoping this is the last bad decision by PN.  Another act of retaliation against ML for turning him in.  

This isn't about lowering standards, it is about working with a student.  Didn't they work with Yuta until his language improved. Sad. 😥

BC8/20/2016 1:07:30 PM

We have no idea why this happened and we have no right to know.   This has to be between Darnell and the school due to privacy laws.

Bballfan8/20/2016 1:09:38 PM

You have no idea BC. Don't speak for me. 

96.231.61.698/20/2016 1:23:02 PM

Yes, surely Nero rejected Darnell to "get back at" ML.  Is ML spreading that rumour too?? Jesus. Please, investigators, hurry up already.

Skittles8/20/2016 1:25:34 PM

Poster shut up already shouldn't you be busy job hunting since after this investigation you will certainly no longer be at GW

Bballfan8/20/2016 1:32:16 PM

Skittles +1

Winorgohome8/20/2016 1:34:52 PM

Yuta's never been a bad student. Pretty sure his GPA was 3.9 at some point and he even made the GW's Athletic Academic Dean's List.

Disappointing that Darnell couldn't make the squad, but life goes on. I don't think he would've made the rotation over Roland or Hart anyway. 


 

96.231.61.698/20/2016 1:42:57 PM

Skittles--why would I be job hunting--I'm not one of the coaches--

ziik8/20/2016 2:07:30 PM

Yuta had a lot of trouble passing the language tests.  He is not a bad student - just had trouble with English.  He is actually a very good student.  

 

Bballfan8/20/2016 2:08:13 PM

last post was mine. Not ziik. 

Thomas8/20/2016 3:03:44 PM

Two days ago(8/18) a poster on the A-10 board calling themselves saints(a Siena fan and/or insider) mentioned that Darnell was having a difficult time being admitted to GW and would end up at Siena!! I would've posted this sooner, but I just came across this today. I find it interesting that Darnell's name is linked to Siena, has he visited Siena at some point? Did ML and Patsos talk about Darnell at any point??

 

Remember Fort Myer8/20/2016 3:23:35 PM

In the original Darnell Rogers thread there is discussion during July 2015 of Darnell receiving an offer from Siena.

dmvpiranha8/20/2016 4:10:46 PM

He did indeed receive an offer from Siena, as well as UMES and Towson if I remember correctly. Siena would probably be the best from a basketball standpoint of the three, although of course we are easily the best of all of them. Sad day, was really hoping to see him play. It may put an end to any others from the Rogers family coming here in the future too

Rich Maier8/20/2016 4:46:28 PM

BC +1 for the best posts of the day.

Thomas8/20/2016 4:47:23 PM

Thanks Fort Meyer and dmvpiranha, I recall that REAL long Darnell Rogers recruiting thread, but didn't remember seeing anything about what other schools were interested or offered him. Most of the talk was about  the excitement of having Shawnta's son wearing a GW uniform. The Siena rumor was a complete surprise to me until you guys cleared things up.  

Bigfan8/20/2016 6:16:55 PM

All that work,so many posts,for nothing.

Screwed up situation that may have something to do with Nero not going to bat. Knew this was likely coming,though personally was hoping for a miracle.

Have to say,imagine that his switching a number of high schools after commiting,in his meaninglesss senior career,was quite probably unnecessary and unhelpful to getting into school.

A dark cloud over next four years.

And for this season, we are f' ed at point guard. Just f' ed.

Saying we are screwed is just too polite an understatement.

 

 

 

The Dude8/20/2016 8:03:13 PM

Sina will be fine for us playing big minutes, barring injury.  Depth is an issue but that was true with our w/out Freshmen Darnell. Hoping Jair emerges as a nice back up.

 

Mike K8/21/2016 1:12:08 AM

Very depressing to read this.  Best of luck to Darnell and his family. 

BC8/21/2016 11:33:10 AM

Ditto, Mike K.

NJ Colonial8/22/2016 9:38:52 AM

Maine Colonial - just wanted to say I always enjoy your posts and I appreciate the facts and positive atttude about GW in general that you bring to this site.  And keep the heat on both the parochial school across Rock Creek and the College Park community college!

hungryhungrytrachtenberg8/22/2016 12:28:30 PM

this has me thinking about changing my poster name to "Longing for Paul Jorg"

squid8/22/2016 7:24:35 PM

This seems like still more rumors, but it's a damn shame if so. I was really looking forward to seeing Darnell, so were my friends. My buddy has a custom-made Shawnta Rogers jersey even.

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