GW vs. Gtown
maine colonial
 4/25/2017 9:19:39 AM      Replies: 145

maine colonial3/23/2017 7:39:27 PM

With a non-Thompson as head coach at Gtown, will GW and Gtown resume a rivalry next season that has been on hold for 35 years? The last time the teams played it was Dec. 16, 1981, John Thompson Jr. was the coach of Gtown, Gerry Gimelstob was in his first season at GW, and I was a GW freshman. So far it sounds like Tommy Amaker is the leading candidate to take over and one would think he might agree to resume the rivalry given that he agreed to play GW and his former player Patrick Steeves this year at Harvard and next year at GW? Since the 1949-50 season, GW and Georgetown have played 55 times and GW is leading the series 31-24.


tennessee colonial3/23/2017 7:49:23 PM

Alas, with Jr. still there it won't happen. I wonder why Red didn't take Jr. to task for not playing his alma mater.

notta hater3/24/2017 7:48:21 AM

amazing how this has become a thing now. GU is just dug in now. It looks like we play every other sport we have in common, just not hoops. Maybe ML and JTIII can talk about it on air next time either is interviewed. Neither is so beholden to the former employer that they would try and spin it to "protect" their institution. My plea is like Reagan - "Georgetown, tear this wall down!" 


gw alum abroad3/24/2017 8:36:50 AM

Wrong Republican president Notta. Have them play in the Smith Center and make Satan's Minions pay for it!!!


notta hater3/24/2017 1:35:54 PM

GWAA, you are correct, I guess maybe I should have freshened up my reference to the 21st century. Sorry, still stuck in the 80's - when GU pulled the plug.

gw19873/24/2017 1:38:18 PM

I'd love to see this happen, but only when we can compete. I don't to see them mop the floor with us once a year.

ziik3/24/2017 2:14:47 PM

Its too bad we cannot get more glee from JT3's departure.

bigfan3/24/2017 2:27:42 PM

Responding to Ziik's apt point, if we weren't imploding literally right now, would help.

Still take glee in it, but wonder if that is shortsighted.

Maybe it would be more enjoyable to watch them squirm for another few years.

While clearly they hit rock bottom, figure could enjoy watching Daddy and Son fester for a few more years while their Administration wrung its hands.

But perhaps Daddy sold out Junior for the sake of preserving the shreds left of his own legacy. Which would be about right in that family. Ask Mom.

maine colonial3/24/2017 3:45:29 PM

Mike Brey's name is being floated for the Gtown job. If he took it and came home to the DMV, there is no doubt he would he would agree to play GW. Brey played in the last GW-Gtown game on Dec. 16, 1981. GW lost 61-48. GW went 5-7 against John Thompson Jr. before he ended the rivalry.

the dude3/24/2017 3:57:06 PM

Why would Mike Brey leave ND for G'town?  

The Thompsons MADE G'town, not sure its much of a program without them, things got ugly pretty fast under Craig Eshrick.

maine colonial3/24/2017 4:10:58 PM

Money and to move home to the DMV. JTIII was making $3 million a year, which is probably twice what Mike Brey is making. But Mike is twice tainted: he graduated from GW and he was an assistant to Coach K, so he has two strikes against him. Believe me, I don't want him to take the job but some Gtown fans think he might be a candidate.

ziik3/24/2017 4:17:29 PM

GU is not a step up. Brey can come to DC on ND's dime any time he wants. But, why give up a sure thing, great job for a real iffy one like GU?  

DUKE would be a different story. So would KU, UCLA, Ky, but not GU.

GU may yet prove to be just a JT creation.


gw05093/24/2017 4:20:37 PM

Agree with Ziik, more of a chance GU becomes a zombie program like St. John's or DePaul than back to a top program.


maine colonial3/24/2017 4:20:41 PM

Mike is leading the early balloting: LINK

maine colonial3/24/2017 4:24:09 PM

It's hilarious that a lot of Gtown fans want a GW alum hired to rescue their program. 

tennessee colonial3/24/2017 4:28:10 PM

Go to GU from Notre Dame? With Thompson around? Who would want that nightmare?  Cost of living is much cheaper

nj colonial3/24/2017 6:14:44 PM

Maine - don't even think it - a Colonial coaching at GU - yuck.  Bad enough GW didn' hire Brey away from Delaware.

maine colonial3/24/2017 6:31:00 PM

Mike Brey's wife also is a GW grad and probably wouldn't let him consider taking that job across Rock Creek. Mike's mom, Betty, the former Olympian who coached the GW swimming team back in our day, would be psyched that James Winchester has GW's swimming and diving team on the rise.  GW's All-American Andrea Bolognesi will be in the B Final tonight looking to make All-American again and set a new GW and A10 record. This GW Magazine story about Mike is a classic: LINK


ziik3/24/2017 6:39:35 PM


maine colonial3/24/2017 6:53:28 PM

Are there are so many new posts on GWHoops that you can't find the time to read something that's not all about basketball? GW having an All-American swimmer is as rare as GW's men's basketball team making the Sweet Sixteen, which makes Andreas one of the top athletes in GW history. 


maine colonial3/24/2017 9:08:03 PM

Bolo is an All-American 2-years in a row after winning the B Final heat and finishing ninth in the nation. He'll race again tomorrow to end his GW career. Amazing. 

ziik3/24/2017 9:32:02 PM

A-10 Talk has a strange video of Marfo pushing Toro, and seems to think it matters

manuel colonial3/24/2017 9:44:39 PM

Daniel Frank is GW's #1 fan and he's in high school. The Toro push of Marco was when the guys were prematurely celebrating the win over VCU. 

maine colonial3/25/2017 9:20:39 AM

Yikes...I'm not sure how I typed that name on my phone but my eyes must have been tired and/or spell check did the trick.

notta hater3/25/2017 10:39:41 AM

The WAPO reports that Brey attended graduate school at GW. Correct me if I am wrong. I thought he graduated from GW after he transfered from one of the Louisiana colleges (I forget if it was Tech, or one of the "directional" schools). I really don't recall him playing at GW in post-grad status. If I am correct we can draw two conclusions about GU or WAPO - it was a bitch slap at GW because they don't want to admit they are drooling to turn their program over to a GW baller and GW grad.


maine colonial3/25/2017 11:28:34 AM

It's all in the GW Magazine feature story: LINK 11:28:37 AM


two good editorials. My takeaway:

metrics for what constitutes a good run at a college has shifted - think about it . . . would GW fire a coach because in a 10 year period he kept getting knocked out in rounds 1-3 even with conference crowns and a few sweet 16 trips? That's the death penalty for coaches at about 20 schools now.

because of the sudden shift in how teams are rewarded for season accomplishments (NCAA bids and nice seeds), there are few decent programs outside of the state schools or football elite that coaches want to strive for.

Big East is not a top to bottom elite conference any more.

A-10 and AAC (other than say, UCONN) are now seen as stepping stones not places to stay - hence, any coach we hire will be viewed in the industry as a non-long term solution. 

notta hater3/25/2017 11:29:12 AM

oops, that was me, last post

maine colonial3/25/2017 11:41:24 AM

So Gene Wang has it wrong: Mike Brey received his undergraduate degree from GW in 1982, five months after playing in GW's last game against Gtown. All Gene had to do was check Mike's official bio on the Notre Dame website: 


Brey was a standout guard in his collegiate playing days, competing for three seasons at Northwestern Louisiana State (now Northwestern State) from 1977-80, leading the team in assists and steals all three years. He played his final collegiate season at George Washington in 1980-81 after sitting out the 1979-80 season as a transfer. He averaged 5.0 points and 4.8 rebounds per game for the Colonials, serving as team captain and being named team MVP. 

Brey comes from an athletic family of educators. His late father, Paul, was a high school athletics director in Maryland while his mother, the late Betty Mullen, was the women’s swimming coach at George Washington. 

Betty was perhaps the family’s most accomplished athlete, as she attended Purdue University and swam for the AAU team in West Lafayette, Ind. For a time, she held the world record in the butterfly events and competed for the United States at the 1956 Olympics in Melbourne, Australia. Betty’s brother, Jack Mullen, played guard at Duke University and was a member of the school’s first ACC championship team in 1950. 

Brey’s mother passed away on March 21, 2015, hours before Notre Dame defeated Butler 67-64 in overtime of the NCAA Tournament in Pittsburgh, Pa. He coached the game that night as a tribute to his mother and the inspiration she provided to him throughout his career, with the Irish team only learning of his mother’s passing after the conclusion of the game. Brey’s father, Paul, passed away on Dec. 20, 2015. 

Brey’s younger sister, Brenda, swam competitively at LSU and is a physical education teacher in the Rockville, Md., area. His younger brother, Shane, was a high school standout at Walter Johnson High School in Bethesda, Md. Born March 22, 1959, 

Brey is a 1982 graduate of George Washington with a degree in physical education. He has two children - Kyle and Callie - and a granddaughter, Olivia Marie." 

maine colonial3/25/2017 12:19:07 PM

It looks like Mike's Notre Dame bio is wrong: he played for GW during the 1981-1982 season after sitting out the year before. Here's a shot of him in the 1982 Cherry Tree: LINK

thomas3/25/2017 12:28:28 PM

Notta,  thanks for posting that article!!

I agree that the Big East is not what it was for about a 10 year period in the 80's through the early 90's when guys like Chris Mullin, Patrick Ewing, Derrick Coleman, Pearl Washington, Walter Berry and Billy Owens were dominating, but they still sent 7 teams to the NCAA tournament this year. I've heard some guys on the radio(friends of John Thompson Jr/Big John) who seemed to be making excuses for the Georgetown's drop off over the last couple of seasons. Sure, Georgetown may not have the facilities(the newly constructed John Thompson Center will help) that other Big East schools have, but Georgetown's rich basketball tradition combined with them being in a recruiting hotbed like the D.C.area should be enough for them to be an elite Big East team. If Butler, Xavier and Creighton can come in from lower level conferences and immediately become upper-tier Big East teams, Georgetown has no excuse!!


maine colonial3/25/2017 3:22:53 PM

Surprise, surprise, Notre Dame this week came out with plans for a basketball practice facility that Mike Brey has been waiting for a decade or more to become a reality. They're at the fundraising stage so it would take a couple years to get built. LINK They're probably going to also sweeten his deal to make sure they don't lose him to another school like the one next door in Indiana and the one next door in D.C.


the dude3/25/2017 3:41:29 PM

Brey is almost 60, and while he's done a great job at ND (particularly the last 3 years) he doesn't really fit the profile of a guy who lands one of the top 10 jobs.  Sean and Archie Miller do, Hurley might, Kevin Keatts does, Shaka did (wouldn't have been my choice but he did)

He has also reversed a stretch where he had a rep for as a guy who loses early in the tourney:  (missed NCAAs in 04 05 06 14)   

2007 #6 First Round #11 Winthrop L 64–74
2008 #5 First Round
Second Round
#12 George Mason
#4 Washington State
W 68–50
L 41–61
2010 #6 First Round #11 Old Dominion L 50–51
2011 #2 Second Round
Third Round
#15 Akron
#10 Florida State
W 69–56
L 57–71
2012 #7 Second Round #10 Xavier L 63–67
2013 #7 Second Round #10 Iowa State L 58–76

maine colonial3/25/2017 3:54:22 PM

It looks like Gtown fans are hoping for Brey or Shaka instead of Amaker or Hurley.

the dude3/25/2017 4:10:59 PM

Amaker is an interesting case. In 10 years at SH and Michigan, he made just 1 NCAA.

Beilein's success at Michigan makes Amaker's tenure look shoddy. (43-53 in big 10, zero NCAA Tourneys for Amaker at Mich.)  The last 2 years at Harvard haven't been so amazing either, probably should have bolted a couple of seasons ago.

Shaka we've discussed. Is he a Ball roller or a builder? Danny Hurley would be my choice of these 4 (if you can stomach his insane sideline decorum)

Do these guys even want the G'Town job? Why would Shaka or Brey, it would be a step down.


bigfan3/25/2017 5:22:17 PM

Turns out Amaker is local. We might have had a shot at him this fall, before all the openings.

nj colonial3/25/2017 6:22:16 PM

Bigfan, we still might, don't sell GW short. Interesting that there is still no word on the HC decision in Foggy Bottom.

bigfan3/25/2017 6:52:02 PM

 Looking like that Florida win may have to sustain our dreams for years to come.

nj colonial3/25/2017 7:25:33 PM

Bigfan, little faith?


gw19873/25/2017 8:42:27 PM

GT is superior to GW in every way, but I hate it with a burning passion. We should be the #1 team in DC. Our players and fans deserve it. When will we get the fame we deserve?


maine colonial3/25/2017 8:50:49 PM


GW has a bigger endowment. 

GW's real estate is far more valuable.

GW has an engineering school and GT doesn't. 

GW has a school of fine arts and GT doesn't. 

GW has two museums and soon will have three. GT has zero museums. 

I could go on-and-on if you want me to. 


the dude3/25/2017 9:08:49 PM

go on ....Music to the ears ...


maine colonial3/25/2017 9:43:20 PM

GW's athletics program is on the rise and Gtown's is on the decline.


GW is superior in:

Men's and Women's Squash

Men's Swimming

Men's Rowing

Men's Tennis




Gtown is superior in:

Men's and Women's Soccer 

Men's and Women's XC and Track

Women's Lacrosse

Women's Rowing

Women's Tennis

Men's Golf


The programs are pretty even in:

Men's and Women's Basketball




GW is also nationally ranked in Gymnastics, which Gtown doesn't compete in.



nj colonial3/25/2017 9:48:05 PM

GW has Maine Colonial and GU does not!

Mic drop!

gw19873/26/2017 1:04:57 AM


1 national title

3 time runner up

5 final fours 


0 national titles

0 time runner up

0 final four


Quit being such a homer and open your eyes...GW will never be GT. We will never have the prestige, the name, or the basketball program. No one gives a flying rats ass about the other sports. I love GW and I think we should be #1, but it's not happening anytime soon.


maine colonial3/26/2017 7:38:17 AM

It's not 1987 any more 1987. GW isn't trying to be GT, a smaller Catholic school that doesn't have an engineering program or a school of fine arts. GW just needs to be GW, a larger more urban university located in the center of the most powerful city in the world. There's a reason Cornell and Columbia are investing millions into building facilities in New York City that look remarkably like our new Science and Engineering Hall and a new version of the Corcoran Flagg Building. President LeBlanc sees the potential and his job will be to institute the budgetary discipline that has always held GW back from reaching its full potential forcing it two move two times to survive. He will also fundraise to take GW to the next level and I predict you will see GW rise at least 20 spots in the next 10 years.  

As far as the other sports go, plenty of people do care that the last five-year athletics program strategic plan paid dividends and can't wait to see the next plan unveiled which could see GW add another varsity program or two.

Many of the teams are under the leadership of new coaches, who also see the potential. A perfect example is Swimming and Diving head coach James Winchester, who just turned Andreas Bolognesi into a two-time All-American and turned GW's men's swimming and diving team into Atlantic 10 Conference champions. You're going to see more and more accomplishments like that in the years to come.

Just because you're still stuck in the '80s doesn't mean GW and its current students, faculty and coaches are. And if Gonzaga can go to the Final Four so can GW and there are a lot of people invested in making it happen. 




invested3/26/2017 7:45:29 AM

Except for the athletic department, which doesn't want to invest in a real coach


notta hater3/26/2017 8:04:02 AM

as JTIII's termination suggests, the national title and runner up finish are ancient history and belong to a different era and a different coach. it was a different sport and GU was a different school too. It had a dental school, more applied science programs and even a school of language. Those are gone too. 


bobo3/26/2017 8:05:43 AM

Men's lacrosse? If GU can compee in men's lacrosse why can't GW even field a team?

maine colonial3/26/2017 8:05:49 AM

In every sport, GW has tried to identify the best person to take over the program. If the administration decides MoJo is that person, I am confident he will be successful. They have made great hires for all of the other sports teams so why should Men's Basketball be any different? And back in 1972, who would have thought a high school basketball coach would eventually lead our neighbors to a national championship? We certainly didn't or otherwise we would have hired him when we had the chance. We don't need a coach who will use GW as a stepping stone. We need a coach like Mark Few, who is a winner, has the right personality, and has the potential to be a lifer. In 1989, Few was 27 or so when he was hired by Gonzaga and then promoted from associate head coach to head coach 10 years later. So he's been with the program almost 30 years. 


maine colonial3/26/2017 8:17:55 AM

GW has a club men's lacrosse team that has a long history going back to the '60s. Last year they graduated a bunch of seniors so this spring they have 18 new players and they are off to a tough start but they have wins against Alabama and URI. They're playing Northeastern today at 11 a.m. at Gaithersburg High School.

"The George Washington Men's lacrosse team is a "virtual varsity" program that competes in the Men's Collegiate Lacrosse Association (MCLA) - Division 1, which is comprised of 12 conferences and over 100 teams nationwide. The team has a full coaching staff; team managers; sports information, website, and social media staff; and a recruiting coordinator who recruits prospective student-athletes from across the country. However, walk-on players are also welcome to tryout and have been successful in earning contributing roles on the team. The fall preseason runs from the beginning of September to late October and typically consists of 3-5 games and 1 road trip tournament. The spring regular season consists of 12-18 games and runs from the end of January to the end April. The team's practices and home games are held at the Mount Vernon Athletic Complex and Woodrow Wilson High School." 


The team has a nice website and great uniforms. LINK

maine colonial3/26/2017 8:25:44 AM

I didn't list most of the programs only one of the schools competes in.

GW competes in Gymnastics and Men's and Women's Water Polo.

GT competes in Men's Lacross and Women's Golf and Field Hockey.


bobo3/26/2017 8:26:43 AM

I see Georgetown.  I can't find GWU anywhere in the rankings. 

Rankings - NCAA Men's Lacrosse RPI

Through Games MAR. 21, 2017
NCAA Men's Lacrosse RPI
1 Notre Dame Atlantic Coast 4-1 1-1 1-0 2-0 0-0
2 Hofstra Colonial 7-0 3-0 0-0 4-0 0-0
3 Denver Big East 5-2 0-1 0-0 5-1 0-0
4 Penn St. Big Ten 8-0 3-0 0-0 5-0 0-0
5 Rutgers Big Ten 8-0 3-0 0-0 5-0 0-0
6 Syracuse Atlantic Coast 5-1 2-0 0-0 3-1 0-0
7 Ohio St. Big Ten 9-0 2-0 1-0 6-0 0-0
8 Princeton Ivy League 5-2 1-1 0-0 4-1 0-0
9 Albany (NY) America East 5-1 4-1 0-0 1-0 0-0
10 North Carolina Atlantic Coast 5-3 2-0 1-0 2-3 0-0
11 Johns Hopkins Big Ten 4-3 1-2 0-0 3-1 0-0
12 Richmond Southern 7-1 3-0 0-0 4-1 0-0
13 Towson Colonial 4-2 3-0 0-0 1-2 0-0
14 Army West Point Patriot 7-1 4-1 0-0 3-0 0-0
15 Boston U. Patriot 8-1 5-0 0-0 3-1 0-0
16 Penn Ivy League 3-3 1-2 0-0 2-1 0-0
17 Stony Brook America East 4-3 3-2 0-0 1-1 0-0
18 Marquette Big East 3-2 2-1 0-0 1-1 0-0
19 Duke Atlantic Coast 7-2 2-1 0-0 5-1 0-0
20 Air Force Southern 5-3 2-2 2-0 1-1 0-0
21 Providence Big East 5-3 3-1 0-0 2-2 0-0
22 Harvard Ivy League 4-3 2-2 0-0 2-1 0-0
23 Maryland Big Ten 4-2 2-1 0-0 2-1 0-0
24 UMBC America East 3-4 2-2 0-1 1-1 0-0
25 Villanova Big East 4-4 3-0 0-0 1-4 0-0
26 Massachusetts Colonial 3-4 2-3 0-0 1-1 0-0
27 Michigan Big Ten 7-1 5-1 0-0 2-0 0-0
28 Georgetown Big East 2-5 1-1 0-1 1-3 0-0
29 Virginia Atlantic Coast 5-3 1-2 1-0 3-1 0-0
30 Binghamton America East 5-1 3-0 0-0 2-1 0-0
31 Loyola Maryland Patriot 4-3 2-2 0-0 2-1 0-0
32 Marist Metro Atlantic 4-4 3-3 0-0 1-1 0-0
33 Brown Ivy League 3-3 0-1 0-0 3-2 0-0
34 Robert Morris Northeast 5-3 3-2 0-0 2-1 0-0
35 Delaware Colonial 6-3 3-0 0-0 3-3 0-0
36 Monmouth Metro Atlantic 4-3 2-3 0-0 2-0 0-0
37 Fairfield Colonial 3-5 2-4 0-0 1-1 0-0
38 Furman Southern 2-6 1-2 0-1 1-3 0-0
39 Sacred Heart Northeast 4-3 2-0 1-0 1-3 0-0
40 Vermont America East 4-4 3-3 0-0 1-1 0-0
41 Canisius Metro Atlantic 3-4 1-2 0-1 2-1 0-0
42 Yale Ivy League 3-3 1-1 0-0 2-2 0-0
43 Drexel Colonial 3-4 1-2 0-0 2-2 0-0
44 Cleveland St. Independent 3-6 0-3 0-1 0-2 3-0
45 Cornell Ivy League 1-5 0-3 0-1 1-1 0-0
46 Hobart and William Smith Colleges Northeast 4-4 0-2 0-0 4-2 0-0
47 High Point Southern 3-5 1-4 0-0 2-1 0-0
48 Saint Joseph's Northeast 3-5 2-3 0-0 1-2 0-0
49 Holy Cross Patriot 2-6 1-3 0-0 1-3 0-0
50 Navy Patriot 3-6 1-4 0-0 2-2 0-0
51 Mt. St. Mary's Northeast 2-4 1-0 0-0 1-4 0-0
52 Bucknell Patriot 3-5 2-2 0-0 1-3 0-0
53 Mercer Southern 3-4 2-1 1-0 0-3 0-0
54 Detroit Mercy Metro Atlantic 3-6 0-4 1-1 2-1 0-0
55 Colgate Patriot 3-5 1-2 0-0 2-3 0-0
56 Lehigh Patriot 4-3 2-2 0-0 2-1 0-0
57 Bryant Northeast 4-5 2-4 0-0 2-1 0-0
58 Lafayette Patriot 1-6 0-5 0-0 1-1 0-0
59 UMass Lowell America East 2-7 1-2 0-0 1-5 0-0
60 Jacksonville Southern 0-7 0-4 0-0 0-3 0-0
61 Hartford America East 3-4 1-1 0-0 2-3 0-0
62 VMI Southern 1-5 0-3 0-0 1-2 0-0
63 Wagner Northeast 4-5 0-4 0-0 3-1 1-0
64 St. John's (NY) Big East 1-6 1-1 0-0 0-5 0-0
65 Bellarmine Southern 1-6 1-2 0-2 0-2 0-0
66 NJIT Independent 0-9 0-6 0-0 0-3 0-0
67 Manhattan Metro Atlantic 2-6 1-2 0-0 1-4 0-0
68 Dartmouth Ivy League 1-5 0-4 0-0 1-1 0-0
69 Siena Metro Atlantic 0-8 0-6 0-0 0-2 0-0
70 Quinnipiac Metro Atlantic 1-5 1-2 0-0 0-3 0-0


maine colonial3/26/2017 8:35:45 AM

Not yet. But if GW eventually adds Men's Lacrosse as a varsity sport it will skyrocket up the rankings just like Sailing. 

maine colonial3/26/2017 8:39:03 AM

Did you notice GT's men's lacrosse team's record: 2-5. Alums are not happy.

notta hater3/26/2017 8:48:33 AM

Maine don't laugh - I think Richmond's varsity lacrosse team is under 5 years. It does not take long to get the program going and ranked at this point.

bobo3/26/2017 9:02:55 AM

So why does GW field scholarship teams in sports very few people care about and not field a D1 team in one of the fastest growing and most popular sports in the geographic area we live in and recruit from? 

Lacrosse is very big in MD, VA, NJ, PA, NY and New England. 

Sailing, water polo, squash and (more recently) tennis are not.

How the hell does a promiinant and successful university that resides in the center of the lacrosse universe not field a men's D1 lacrosse program?




maine colonial3/26/2017 9:06:34 AM

There's a good chance the next five-year athletic's strategic plan will add men's lacrosse as a sport.


notta hater3/26/2017 9:51:27 AM

the miss in not having a lax program IMO and maybe the business case for its inclusion: Even as a varsity sport it is a very close-held network by both mens and womens participants. I got to know a ton of the UVA, W&L, UNC and Duke teams and their player alum. At some point I got it. Somebody asked me "why create a non-revenue sport like lax" I retorted, it's not at the gate or on tv where a school benefits from the team, it's that these guys are headed to Wall Street, law school and med school. They have intense feelings and memories of their schools and their teams. I have noticed that the lax players have no problem finding summer internships - they resort to the pipeline and off they go to a hedge fund, some VC firm, Wall Street, a marketing arm of a company etc. Without fail. Recently, a pal asked me if I could help his son (a Lafayette student with a flashy GPA) get looped into a network to enhance his chances of landing a Wall Street internship. I asked "does he know the lax players there?" Two weeks later he told me that he had landed an internship and also a summer place to stay in NYC through one of his pals who is on the lax team. He then asked me "how did you know this?" Like womens' hoops, mens lax has a pro-league. However, the money there is not enough to have a sane person "go all in" and drop the books to pursue the pro sport option that plagues football, baseball and hoops. Further, the recruiting base is hugely high schools where the kids want to use their lax skills to leverage admission to a school they really want to attend (there are few scholarships and some very good programs are in conferences where you can't give athletic scholarships). They are willing to pay full off the rack rate to go to the school.  I say build the darn program and build it now. I would bet we would be a top 15-20 program within 5 years. 


florida colonial3/26/2017 11:40:17 AM

Sailing was added for multiple reasons:

No scholarships allowed in sailing (aka low cost addition)

Type of student it attracts (prep school etc $$)

Affluent parents ($)

Puts it in competition with the schools GW aspires to be (Ivy and highly selective)


Sailing is not the reason we dont have lacrosse. 

BTW squash attracts very much the same crowd, with the addition of foreign students (I'm guessing no scholarships either)




nj colonial3/26/2017 6:12:59 PM

Keep in mind that with Title IX, adding men's teams is very difficult.   for example, if we added football, something I'd love, we would have to add several women's sports and drop some existing men's teams.

maine colonial3/26/2017 6:15:35 PM

So if we add Men's Lacrosse, we would need to add Women's Golf, Field Hockey and/or Rugby. 

notta hater3/26/2017 6:30:49 PM

how about women's bowling 

maine colonial3/27/2017 6:09:11 PM

Great quote from Gtown's student newspaper:

"Georgetown’s endowment is now ranked 61st for endowment funds of peer universities, below Harvard University, The George Washington University and Stanford University."

GW ranks 57th: LINK 


gw19873/27/2017 6:24:12 PM

Endowment dosen't tell everything. Last year GW's endowment was 1.616 billion. Right above us at 1.683 billion? VCU. I honestly doubt anyone on this fourm would consider VCU to be the higher academic instution over GW and GT, but alas, their endowment is superior.

GT will always be superior to GW. I am a full GW homer, but we have to face reality. We can't even secure a head coach. How can we expect to be a contender in the A-10 in the next few years if there is all this internal struggle in the athletic department?

It is what it is. Again, if you are trying to play the endowment card, VCU is better than us.


maine colonial3/27/2017 6:29:36 PM

GW does have a permanent head coach...The hilltoppers don't.

colonialman3/27/2017 8:20:33 PM

Yeah I agree with 87. Let's not play the endowment card...we will loose that argument. Poor choice.


the sons of liberty3/27/2017 8:39:37 PM

I'd be careful with that VCU endowment number.  A couple of years ago they "revalued" their endowment to include several "quasi" endowments within the university system.

gw19873/27/2017 9:12:50 PM

Regardless, it's the official number. Facts are facts.


maine colonial3/27/2017 9:45:30 PM

Try getting your Facts straight...If you check the numbers that were just released, you can clearly see GW is ahead of both Gtown and VCU: LINK 


ziik the bureaucrat3/27/2017 9:46:19 PM

You go to Richmond, and, it seems the entire city is re-branded by VCU. Heck, even if it just is a creative paint and signage campaign, it is damned impressive.


gw19873/27/2017 9:52:46 PM

Main please go back read what I posted...I said last year, not current numbers. Last years numbers are what they are.


colonialman3/27/2017 9:57:30 PM

87 is right:


maine colonial3/27/2017 10:04:37 PM

Wikipedia has the 2015 numbers listed. The numbers I cited are 2016 so 87 was wrong. VCU's endowment dropped below ours. GW is now ranked 57 and VCU is ranked 59 and Gtown 61. Check again: LINK


happily retired3/27/2017 10:11:03 PM

Tommy Amaker was in a tough spot when he took the Michigan job. They were coming off serious sanctions regarding the Fab Five.  Wasn't given enough time to clean up the mess he inherited.  


the dude3/27/2017 11:10:04 PM

What explains going from NIT champs in year 3, to 13-18 in year 4?   Years 5 and years 6 still NIT?Beilein inherited a 10-22 roster year 1 from Tommy and was winning NCAA game year 2.

What's happened at Harvard the last 2 years?

ziik3/27/2017 11:16:33 PM

Life, Dude. 


the dude3/27/2017 11:45:57 PM

Yes Ziik, but these men are judged on results.  That is also a fact of life. When the next Coach takes the team to the National title game, and you didn't make the NCAA tourney in 6 seasons...

Michigan is a program where in 6 years a Amaker should have had them dancing. I think 2 years ago his stock was back to pretty lofty heights however, his career has been quite an interesting one

ziik the bureaucrat3/28/2017 12:04:56 AM


Put on the thinking cap. All 3 of them. Amaker was hired to do One Thing: clean up the mess, and make it so it did not stink.

Only after he did that was he instructed: Now, how about winning? 

Well, I doubt the guy was thinking about changing the direction of the program at that point, or, picking up speed. I am not saying Michigan was unreasonable. Just, that they hired him for a job, he did it, and, I think he really expected a few more slaps on the back, and not a new challenge, right away.

My guess is that Harvard is a lifetime job for him now. They will make him enormously wealthy, just from his contacts. (I had a pal who taught at one of the DC prep schools. He could have taught anywhere in the US or Great Britain. He stayed, because,they made it worth his while.) 

Why would anybody who had success there leave Harvard?


the dude3/28/2017 12:53:25 AM

Successful Ivy League Coaches generally leave the Ivy.

Good points Ziik, perhaps unfairly, but ultimately Amaker's stay at Michigan was not seen as a success, 43-53 in Big 10, no NCAAs:

"fans and sportswriters argued that Amaker's Michigan teams tended to underachieve and fall apart in pressure situations, particularly in conference, on the road and at the end of the regular season.[  On March 17, 2007, Amaker was fired by the University of Michigan. Amaker was paid $900,000 to buy out the remaining years on his contract."

I think his whole career has been rather interesting, largely good, some clear mixed data and puzzles. The Michigan stint is the worst of it.

maine colonial3/28/2017 6:10:18 AM

Mike Brey reportedly told Gtown he's not interested and it may or may not have anything to do with a 50-year-old DMV hoops feud involving John Thompson Jr. and Morgan Wooten. Fascinating story. LINK


maine colonial3/28/2017 7:08:54 AM

Danny Hurley is going to be the next Gtown head coach, according to rumors going around.

maine colonial3/28/2017 7:12:54 AM

One would think Hurley would be more open to playing GW than anyone from the Thompson family. 

maine colonial3/28/2017 8:04:26 AM

It sounds like Gtown was turned down by a number of coaches including Mike Brey and Ed Cooley. Hooray, for Mike Brey!


tennessee colonial3/28/2017 8:38:21 AM

And the REASON why GU doesn't play GW is?  Revenge?!


maine colonial3/28/2017 9:32:22 AM

I'm sure Brey has a good idea since he was a DeMatha guy and a GW guy and played in the last GW-Gtown game. Mark Plotkin has tried to get to the bottom of it: LINK


maine colonial3/28/2017 9:36:49 AM

It's too bad the local rivalry ended because GW-Gtown games provided amazing memories for both teams. Here's a Washington Post story from 1980: LINK


mvcolonial3/28/2017 1:36:01 PM

Don't remember the exact year, probably 61. GW Freshmen beat the Gtown Freshmen, at Gtown, with only 3 men playing at the end of the game. Might have been Kenny Leggins, Mark Clark and Joe Mullins.


ziik the bomb thrower3/28/2017 2:20:31 PM

I understand GU is giving up basketball, to become the U of Chicago, East


nj colonial3/28/2017 4:46:37 PM

Maybe they are talking to JIII's brother, Ronnie - and maybe he turned GU down!

bigfan3/28/2017 5:11:03 PM

Sure there will be a special pullout section in The Post about why Big John's legacy (not looking over a new coach' s shoulder like literally his son) is why these successful coaches won' t take the job.

Huge blowjobs to the Thomps*n family in the paper on the front page and (alumnus/wannabe?) Boswell, who should stick to baseball.



jae3/28/2017 5:35:39 PM

Wtop says both Brey and Shaka declined.


thomas3/28/2017 5:57:07 PM

Hurley finally broke through and made the NCAA tournament this year, I think he realizes that he has Rhode Island in a position to be real good for a long time so he's not leaving for Georgetown. He's going to hold out for an elite BCS job like Shaka Smart and Archie Miller did. Georgetown is slightly above an average/below average BCS job like Clemson or DePaul, but it's not an elite level BCS job. Hurley can wait a year or multiple years for an elite BCS job to open up.



maine colonial3/28/2017 7:19:21 PM

As of this week, Gtown is ranked 2nd in the country in Coed Sailing and your Colonial Navy is ranked 5th. In Women's sailing, Gtown ranks 9th and GW ranks 12th.  LINK


the dude3/28/2017 9:11:52 PM

What is Georgetown without a Thomspson? What is UCONN without Calhoun (or the players he recruited)  What is DePaul without Ray Meyer? (or the players he recruited)


the mv3/29/2017 10:29:27 AM

While Georgetown won the last 4 meetings between the two schools, it was the game in late 1980, a two point double overtime Hoya win against a subpar Colonial squad, that essentially ended the series. This was the final time the Hoyas men's basketball team entered the Smith Center.   The teams met once more, at the Capital Centre during Patrick Ewing's freshman year, because the game had already been scheduled.

There is an important distinction that the Thompsons have never opted to understand or recognize.  That double overtime loss was to an 8-19 GW team, against an NCAA caliber team led by Eric Sleepy Floyd.  That would indeed have been a disastrous loss for Georgetown if they needed to rely upon an at-large bid to reach the tournament.  Today's advanced metrics reward teams for playing better competition and winning road games.  Georgetown has experienced many more losses against a number of inferior teams to GW, in part because GW has been a serious drain on one's SOS/RPI arguably four times over the past 14 seasons.  In short, a loss to GW in the recent past would not have been a "bad loss" in the eyes of any committee during most seasons.

The only other factors from Georgetown's perspective have to do with recruiting and bragging rights.  Would a GW win over Georgetown tilt the recruiting landscape at all?  It's hard to think it would when considering that the schools have not truly competed for the same player in quite some time.  Aside from Allen Iverson which carried a very unique set of circumstances, can anyone even think of an instance where either school lost out to the other over a player that they were aggressively recruiting?  And, as for bragging rights, this means very little in the overall scheme of things.  If Georgetown really won't player for no other reason that it could not take losing to GW, I would simply respond by saying "Get Over Yourselves."


gonzo3/29/2017 10:49:00 AM

I dont really care if we ever play them or not. (Does AU complain we dont play them anymore?) Let's focus on our team and our program. If they find their way on the schedule, that's cool.


nj colonial3/29/2017 1:33:24 PM

Gonzo is right - and we should only agree to play them if it is a home and home arrangment, involving our home, Smith Center!


tennessee colonial3/30/2017 1:38:17 PM

NO!!! 2 for 1, 2 at our place.  Since we have to lower ourselves to play them.


nj colonial3/30/2017 3:05:56 PM

Tennessee, yes! New Jersey stands corrected!

gw19873/30/2017 7:11:05 PM

Kind of sad we have to come up with excuses like Men's Rowing to find reasons we are better than GT...just saying.


maine colonial3/30/2017 9:35:07 PM

There are many examples where GW is ahead of GT when you line them up: besides some of the ones mentioned above, another example is the GW School of Media and Public Affairs is ranked #13 in the country and Gtown's McCourt is ranked #25...just saying.

kdb san diego3/30/2017 9:47:38 PM

Put me in the group, perhaps a small one, that believe the rowing and sailing team success (sailing now #5 in the nation) will in the long run be very good for GWU.  And that from a basketball strong fan from the Ft. Myers days.  Forget GT, play our own game.  Improved academic ratings will grow and that in the long run is most important.


maine colonial3/31/2017 7:42:40 AM

The Gymnastics team, which is ranked #20 in the nation, competes at the NCAA Regional in West Virginia tomorrow. So if you're a gymnast and you want to go to school in the nation's capital and compete for a nationally-ranked program, there's only one option for you: GW. 


nj colonial3/31/2017 10:57:39 AM

KDB - agreed, that's why we need a decent, no, state of the art - boathouse!


nj colonial3/31/2017 11:00:07 AM

GW1987 - kinda sad that you have so little faith in GW and a lseeming lack of appreciation for our university's promise and potential.  GU was nothing special until the John Thompson show started there in '72, which I agree was a p.r. bonanza for them.  Now it is our time - Raise High!


maine colonial4/1/2017 8:59:13 AM

GW is to Gtown as MIT is to Harvard. 

In both cases, the duos are 1.8 miles apart. Discuss...


maine colonial4/3/2017 8:22:25 AM

Gtown and Harvard never moved over the centuries while GW and MIT were both relocated to new campuses less than two miles from the older schools. William Wilson Corcoran financed GW's move from near Meridian Park to just east of the White House in a new building near 15th and H streets NW in 1873. Financial mismanagement forced GW to move again in 1912 to its current location in Foggy Bottom, the area President Washington had originally envisioned as the location of a national university. "Boston Tech" moved from its first campus in Boston to a new location across the river in Cambridge in 1916 after rejecting at least six merger proposals from Harvard. George Eastman of Kodak fame and fortune financed the purchase of land and the construction of new buildings for MIT by donating $20 million worth of cash and stock. LINK LINK2 Eastman's generosity allowed the construction of MIT's more lavish "New Technology" campus. Look for President LeBlanc to spearhead GW's push to join the exclusive Association of American Universities, an association of 62 of the nation's leading research universities. Harvard and MIT belong to the AAU but Gtown doesn't. 


2cents4/3/2017 9:33:45 AM

I hope he's scouting the intramural games so we can bring in some walk-ons to fill out the roster

nj colonial4/3/2017 10:01:28 AM

I'd say that GW is to GU as MIT is to Boston College.  GU and BC are both rather overrated sectarian institutions with limited resources.  They have succeeded largely on the attention gained from athletics.  As for The George Washington University, I find it interesting that GW's development has taken it from a bucolic hilltop setting at the edge of the L'Enfant city (College Hill, the original Columbian College campus) to Washington's midtown/financial district (15th and H Streets NW) and then to Foggy Bottom/Old West End, only a few block s from the White House.  The norm for colleges in the U.S. has been to move from original town center locations out to larger suburban and even rural campuses.  Along with the main campus in FB, having the Mount Vernon and the Virginia Science and Technology campuses gives GW the best of both worlds and room for growth. 


sw4/3/2017 2:39:52 PM

So they reportedly hired Ewing today. Genius decision. This program cannot stop stepping on its dick.


Five years from now the same myopic losers will be making excuses to why they're getting bent over in the new big least and why they still won't play GW and MD.


Fuck Gtown


ziik4/3/2017 2:56:01 PM

Can he coach? Who cares. He can hire assistants for that.

Smart move, cause, any other would drive JT over a cliff.

dc native4/3/2017 3:01:08 PM

Georgetown still can't get past 1984, and probably never will...


the dude4/3/2017 3:04:29 PM

Why is this seen as a bad hire, but Chris Mullin was viewed as a good hire?

For the record, I think they are both bad hires.  But Ewing at least has a lot of Coaching experience.

These jobs require a degree of insane hunger to win, if you have lived the good life as a superstar player and have a few hundred million in the bank, not sure how hungry you can be on the recruiting trail. 


maine colonial4/3/2017 9:12:35 PM

If anyone could convince Patrick to play GW, one would think it would be Mike Jarvis, who coached him for three years in high school.



maine colonial4/7/2017 9:26:32 AM

At Patrick Ewing's first press conference as Gtown's new head coach, GW alum Mark Plotkin asked the second question Ewing faced. Plotkin asked Ewing whether he would be in favor of playing GW in a Ward 2 Classic, which is being proposed by City Councilmember Jack Evans. Plotkin prefaced his question by noting that Patrick played in the last GW-Gtown game December 16, 1981 at the Cap Centre. Ewing sidestepped the question and said he hadn't even started his new job and would consult with Gtown AD Lee Reed about scheduling. If you watch the press conference, Plotkin's question is at 10:52. LINK Evans has been trying to arrange a GW-Gtown game since 2006. LINK


nj colonial4/7/2017 11:12:43 AM

Gotta hand it to Plotkin, he sure is "Loyal to G-double U!"

maine colonial4/14/2017 3:21:23 PM

The GW Women's Rowing team dominated Gtown this morning. LINK

patrick nero4/14/2017 4:23:58 PM

Thanks Maine Colonial, you beat me to it!

I also wanted to let everyone know that the GW Co-ed transgender kick ball team is ranked #1 in the country right now. Who needs basketball when we have all these other great teams out there.


bigfan4/14/2017 4:26:28 PM

Worth even seeing an extra minute of that puke-inducing press conference from Loserville to hear the Mark Plotkin question.

Go Plotkin! Put it to those filthy cowards.

Needless to say, the new head coward, tall as he is, punted on the subject. Ironically, he would be nothing without the great former GW coach Mike Jarvis, so maybe even he will somehow reclaim the balls that are removed upon passing through the Georget#&n gates and do the right thing. We would have kicked their ass in three of the last four years, so maybe they can temper their cowardice with the thought that we are also rebuilding and this is their best shot to win instead of being hiding little whiners (want to say pussies but don't know if that is politically correct).

Of course, this will never make the paper.

mentzinger4/14/2017 4:31:50 PM

Would be interesting if a former GW head coach ended up at Georgetown.

boom4/14/2017 4:36:03 PM

To the bigoted Nero bashing cowardly troll. Go away your posts are just harmful to GW. Go away and Good riddance. 


maine colonial4/16/2017 5:14:22 AM

Tyler Cavanaugh and Gtown's Rodney Pryor faced off at the Portsmouth Invitational Tournament Friday and TC clearly won the GW-Gtown battle. Both guys started and TC ended up with 22 points on 10-14 shooting in 28 minutes. Rodney ended with 5 points on 1-7 shooting in 25 minutes. TC's team won the game and ended up winning the championship too and TC was named to the All-Tournament team. Pryor struggled all Tournament. Advantage: GW. 


maine colonial4/20/2017 8:54:27 PM

GW Men's Tennis defeated Gtown today 4-2: LINK 

Men's Rowing will go up against Gtown and Rutgers on the Potomac Saturday.


maine colonial4/21/2017 4:40:22 AM

Here's a nice headline and one we will be seeing regularly in the coming years: LINK


maine colonial4/21/2017 10:00:07 AM

#14 GW will take on #16 Gtown along with Rutgers Saturday morning on the Potomac: LINK


nj colonial4/21/2017 10:21:30 AM

MC - great headline indeed, thanks for sharing.


maine colonial4/22/2017 10:53:56 AM

GW's Men's Varsity 8 beat Gtown this morning by a length and GW boats also won the 2v and the 3v: LINK 


maine colonial4/22/2017 1:20:13 PM

GWSports has a nice recap of the Colonials sweep of all four races: LINK

Coach Davis' take: "The Varsity 8 was a bit closer with a win over Georgetown by 4.5 seconds. The Georgetown boat was really strong and it was a very close race up to the halfway point. We slowly moved away from them one stroke at a time. It was a really good race, hats off to the Georgetown crew as they made us work for every inch."


maine colonial4/22/2017 6:55:39 PM

Word has it that Karl Hobbs is remaining in Piscataway and not moving to the hilltop. 


maine colonial4/22/2017 9:34:06 PM

Look for GW Men's Rowing to Raise Higher in the national rankings within the next couple weeks. 


nj colonial4/22/2017 11:08:34 PM

Maine, keep the good news coming!

maine colonial4/23/2017 10:11:30 AM

Baseball has put together another 20-win season to make it five in a row and will match up against Gtown May 2nd at Gtown. GW lost 6-4 to Gtown at home on March 1st.


maine colonial4/23/2017 1:20:33 PM

The GW Women's Sailing team finished up Day 1 of the MAISA Women's Championship in third place out of 17 teams, right behind Gtown: LINK  

maine colonial4/23/2017 1:25:24 PM

The team has five more races to go today to determine if they will be one of the top nine teams that will qualify for national's.

maine colonial4/23/2017 8:37:22 PM

The wind died so GW ended up third behind St. Mary's and Gtown but ahead of the following schools: Hobart; Cornell; Penn; Fordham; U.S. Naval Academy; UVA; CNU; Columbia; Old Dominion; Monmouth; Stony Brook; Queen's; Drexel; and William & Mary. It's always great beating the alma maters of Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, Jimmy Carter, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg as well as both of Donald Trump's schools.

sw4/23/2017 9:15:48 PM

I'm surprised Gtown allowed Plotkin into their Ewing press conference. Who's he writing for now, the Ward 2 Penny Saver?


bigfan4/23/2017 9:35:11 PM

Plotkin was man enough to ask a question no one else has the courage to.pose, much less answer.

We owe him for that and his steadfast support of The Colonials.


nj colonial4/24/2017 12:05:23 PM

Bigfan+1 -  Mark is the very definition ofd a loyal Colonial.


ziik4/24/2017 1:12:57 PM

I used to wonder if Mark had all his marbles. But, I had some interaction with him, and, he really is enjoyable. 



old fan4/25/2017 12:51:06 AM

God bless Plotkin. 

maine colonial4/25/2017 5:29:30 AM

MoJo and Patrick are tied with one signing each so far. 

maine colonial4/25/2017 6:05:54 AM

Fascinating. Gtown held a special service yesterday to seek forgiveness for selling 272 Catholic slaves nearly two centuries ago. If you watch the video of the service, President Jack DeGoia speaks at 1:14. DeGoia ignored the issue until two years ago when student protests forced him to deal with it.


maine colonial4/25/2017 8:55:24 AM

The Post had a story about the service: LINK

The Post also had a rundown of landmarks either erected by slaves or built with fortunes derived from slavery. The list includes the White House, the Capitol, Gtown and Mount Vernon: LINK

maine colonial4/25/2017 9:19:39 AM

Correction: The service was held last week. 

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