Tyler Thread
 12/24/2017 9:53:51 AM      Replies: 30

dmvpiranha12/6/2017 10:35:20 PM

Thought it would be best to create a separate thread to keep track of Tyler's run in the NBA.

The Hawks fell in a close one to the Magic 110-106 in OT, but Tyler played 30 minutes off the bench scoring 13 pts, 6 rbs, and 2 asts (5-10 FG, 2-4 3pt, 1-2 FT) and even started the second half in front of Plumlee. He also scored at the buzzer before halftime.




bigfan12/7/2017 12:03:25 AM

Noticed that.

Tyler really showing he can have NBA impact.

Hawks were smart to sign him.


bigfan12/7/2017 8:06:58 AM

Our Tyler can defend big and small in the NBA, it turns out. And score.

Real good numbers last night, but get the sense that even without large numbers, coaches know Tyler makes a difference in all the big and little things.

From the Atlanta Journal Constitution:

"The Hawks made their run mostly while using “center-less” lineups with Ersan Ilyasova or Tyler Cavanaugh at the five. That’s likely why Budenholzer began the second half with Cavanaugh at center instead of Miles Plumlee. Cavanaugh (six rebounds in 30 minutes) did a respectable job banging in the paint with Vucevic and Bismack Biyombo. He also was effective when switching on to guards in pick-and-rolls and scored 13 points on 10 shots."

Fan comment on Peachtreehoops.com:

"Game 24: The Hawks lost a game in overtime, but they also gained a reliable young player in Tyler Cavanaugh."

bigfan12/7/2017 8:21:10 AM

Also this from the game article in Peachtreehoops.com.

Starting to seem like if Tyler wasn't under the two-way contract, limiting his NBA time, other teams would come calling.

"Tyler Cavanaugh and the bench

Tyler Cavanaugh led a great bench effort (the Hawks’ bench outscoring the Magic bench 40-16) with 13 points on 5-of-10 shooting and 2-of-4 from behind the arc in 29 minutes of play.

This was the kind of performance, in addition to what he has already done thus far, where you might begin to think that Cavanaugh might just belong in the NBA, maybe they will convert his two-way contract into a full contract (of course, the Hawks would have to waive someone from the current roster to make that happen) — he has been very solid. He has been shooting the ball well, pretty decent passer and competes on the defensive end — he took it to Vucevic at times defensively last night.


Cavanaugh also started the second half in place of Miles Plumlee, and it makes you wonder if the Hawks might just start Cavanaugh when the Hawks take on the Magic again on Saturday.

While he did start the second half, coach Bud said he was happy with Miles Plumlee’s strong third quarter and that he was simply rewarding Cavanaugh for his strong play of late while trying to limit Plumlee’s minutes.

“Tyler’s just getting better and better,” said coach Bud. “He’s taking advantage of his minutes, taking advantage of his opportunities. I felt like we wanted to reward him for his minutes.

“We’re trying to monitor Miles’ minutes and keep them low. I thought Miles had a great stretch in the second half too. Just giving Tyler a few more minutes, monitoring Miles’ minutes, just a little both of those things.”

A lot credit to Cavanaugh, he’s definitely making the most of his opportunities and it’s just as well he’s under a two-way contract."


colonial1312/7/2017 8:56:17 AM

Awesome highlights : http://www.nba.com/hawks/tyler-cavanaugh-provides-spark-vs-magic


kaj12/7/2017 8:58:59 AM

Second highlight vid


ziik the senile old man12/7/2017 9:56:46 AM

I don't look at pro ball. But Ty will push any Plumlee to the bench. There are big white stiffs (Plumlees), and guys who can play. 

xac12/7/2017 10:15:31 AM

What's not being discussed is that the Hawks two best front court players (and starters) Dedmon and Collins are injured (and out for a while). Both are very athletic agile guys and 7 footers. Also, a top front court reserve, Muscala, is still injured. As quoted by the coach, Tyler's taking advantage of his minutes, and hopefully getting more will help. Before the injuries to the two starters, Tyler was getting around 10 minutes a game, and they were not always very productive.

Tyler guards some BIG guys on defense, but on offense, he hangs around the perimeter too much, and waits for 3 point opportunities. His percentage has steadily gone down. His 2 point shots have been money, so he needs to take more of those.

The Hawks are not a good team down the stretch. They've played many games where they were competitive for three quarters, but btreak down in the 4th. Turnovers. Bembry has returned to the lineup, and those he's athletic as hell, he does not play under control and can be a turnover machine. When Tyler's in the game, the seem to play under control, and that may be a factor in his minutes. It would be nice for Tyler to get a new contract, but the Hawks would have to let either Illyasova, Plumlee, or Muscala go (and all three have guaranteed contracts at $5M or greater).


formerly senioritis12/7/2017 12:24:52 PM

It will be interesting to see what the Hawks will do with Tyler since his permitted time with the NBA club under a two-way contract is starting to run out. According to this PeachtreHoops post the Hawks signed Tyler to his two-way deal on Nov. 5, about 19 days after the start of the NBA season.  Because he was signed after the start of the season, under NBA rules, the 45-day rule (the number of days a two-way player can stay with the NBA club) is pro-rated as of the time of signing.  So the Hawks can keep Tyler for 41 days before he will be required to go back down to the G-League.  As of Nov. 30, he had 15 of those 41 days remaining and I belive he has used 7 of those since Nov. 30 (I don't see any indication that he was sent back down) so the Hawks will have used his full 41 days by December 15.  The two-way deal does have the option of being converted into an NBA contract, but the Hawks will need to have a roster spot available on their 15-man roster in order to sign him, so it would appear that the Hawks need to make some sort of move if they want to keep TCav.


John Collins is out for 2-3 more weeks and Dedmon is going to be out for 2-4 more weeks.  The Hawks really have nothing to play for so I have to wonder where their priorities will be.  Are the willing to cut someone (and pay his contract, if it is guaranteed) in order to bring Tyler up to the NBA team (and pay him the NBA minimum) and continue his development or are they happy to send him back down to the G-League and save that money? Of course, there are other ways to free up a roster spot: season-ending injury, trade etc. We should have some clarity on the situation in the coming weeks.


free quebec12/8/2017 8:06:13 AM

is it actually 45 calendar days? I thought “days” meant game days (so, really, 45 games - whether he plays in the game or not).  That would be a big difference. 

formerly senioritis12/8/2017 10:25:31 AM

FC, it's definitely 45 "days" in the way that you and I refer to "days."  The 10-day contracts that G-League players sign with NBA teams are also days, not games.  It's a little odd because some teams could have 20 games in a given 45 day period while others could have 15, but the teams are free to promote and demote two-way players as they see fit, so in theory, a team could make it 45 games by promoting the player on game day and demoting him right after but that's not how the Hawks have done it -- TC has been a member of the team basically since he signed the two-way deal.


lets go12/8/2017 11:40:34 AM

All TC needed was a chance. He's proof that the A10 produces NBA level talent. Yuta's next. 


mg1412/8/2017 11:58:15 AM



Source says Hawks don't plan to use open roster spot now but eventually plan to sign "two-way" player Tyler Cavanaugh for rest of season.


the other mg12/8/2017 12:10:29 PM

That is fantastic news!  This is a testament to Tyler's talent, perseverance, and work ethic to continually improve.  After all he's been through, he is getting the karmic reward of right place, right time, right team.  


formerly senioritis12/8/2017 12:14:24 PM

Good find, MG.  Hawks are waiving Brussino (Pato's teammate on the Argentine Natinoal Team) and signing Tyler when his 45 days are up.  If Brussino is not claimed off waivers, Hawks will have to pay the remaining $900K of his salary. 

In other words, Hawks think TC is worth the NBA minimum + the $900K they'll have to pay Brussino not to play for them.


From the article: "Cavanaugh currently is playing on a “two-way” contract that limits the amount of days he can be on the NBA roster, with the balance of the season spent at the team’s G-League affiliate in Erie, Pa. Cavanaugh will reach that limit in about two weeks, at which point the Hawks plan to sign him to a full NBA contract, according to a person with knowledge of the team’s plan."



the mv12/8/2017 12:52:09 PM

Way to go Tyler.  To a far smaller but important extent, it is also a testament to Keith Glass, Tyler's agent.  Years ago, I questioned Pops's decision to sign with John Grieg, an agent with extensive international contacts but who wasn't well connected in NBA circles.  Told by some here that I was crazy of course but if you don't think this sort of thing makes a difference, you are deluding yourself.  Pops could easily have had a very different playing career, one which would have had him play far more in the NBA, had he signed with a different agent.

Of course, am very happy for Keith as well.  I know Keith a little bit but knew his dad Joe pretty well.  Joe was Larry Brown's agent/advisor/close friend.  Larry did very well by Joe.


bigfan12/8/2017 8:11:33 PM

Also expressed questions about Pop's agent. A more savvy agent and Pops would have had a better NBA career.

Tyler's agent knew enough to move him to Atlanta, rather than the original summer league team.Hawks put money where their mouth is twice with Tyler.

And they got a great bargain in Tyler who came to play.

They locked up solid young  player a number of teams would be interested.

If this plan reaches fruition and for his work so far, congrats to Tyler and his family.

Hard work and smarts can pay off.

dmvpiranha12/9/2017 9:56:49 PM

Tyler didn't start (I thought he would given the matchup against Orlando) but he had his second straight good game with 14 points 8 rebounds and 2 assists (5-8 FG, 3-5 3pt, 1-2 FT) in 27 minutes in a 117-110 home win for Atlanta. He somehow had a -7, probably driven by his four fouls, but love seeing him do well thus far.


bigfan12/9/2017 10:15:33 PM

Keep it up Tyler.

Clearly helped Hawks to a rare win.

They need to jurry up on the permanent contract if Hawks want to be smart.

dmvpiranha12/14/2017 10:23:21 PM

Tyler was relegated to garbage time minutes against the Pistons as Collins returned from injury. He did shoot very well in his eight minutes on the court in the fourth quarter though, with 9 points and 2 rebounds (3-3 FG, 2-2 3pt, 1-1 FT). I think he should be getting minutes over Plumlee who hasn't really done that much from the minutes I've seen of him.


the dude12/15/2017 1:29:15 AM

Might have been garbage time, but that's some good shooting.

bobo12/15/2017 8:57:26 AM

Tyler is shooting well.  His defensive ratings are below average (not surprising).  Atlanta is truly a terrible team with the least amount of player talent in the league right now.  I don't know what that means for Tyler's future as the team obviously needs to turn over its roster to get better in future years.  If Tyler keeps working and getting better he could be one of the few on the team that sticks long-term.

bm12/15/2017 9:46:45 AM

Best ORtg, 2FG% on the team.

xac12/15/2017 10:51:07 AM

Would not read too much into Tyler's PT, even though Collins has returned.

After watching many games, it's apparent that Coach Bud coaches in the moment, and uses players based on situation rather than some repeatable template. In many games, starters who have had a great 1st half, wind up with limited minutes in the 2nd half. This is apparent from the last two games-- Tyler starts and has a good game, and then the next game doesn't enter till the 4th quarter when the game is out of reach. Also, last night was the first of a back-to-back in the schedule, so Coach may have been resting some of the guys.

Since Plumlee has returned, I've been impressed. He is a much better match up against the huge front court players than all of the other Hawks front court, and surprisingly, been a pretty good rim protector.

Check back in tonight.


bm12/15/2017 11:21:49 AM

Meanwhile :)


free quebec12/15/2017 12:49:28 PM

Was poking around BM's link.  Kind of fun to see click on some of those teams and see which former college stars are playing for them. I was looking at the teams leading the Basketball Champions League (which is the 2nd highest European club level after EuroLeague) and came across this Turkish team leading Group C.

I know Herve hates their point guard, but good to see he's doing well on a Turkish team.


xac12/15/2017 2:16:07 PM

Speaking of foreign leagues, I've been following Jonquel Jones this winter. She's playing in China (WCBA) - arguably the best pro league after the WNBA. Many WNBA players there including Sylvia Fowles, Breanna Stewart, Tina Charles, etc... but a quick peek at what JJ's been doing:

JJ's feats....

Want to see an impressive number, then click on the RPG tab of the Stats Leaders widget. Although "Tucker" is listed leading scorer, but it's actually Morgan Tuck, and she's played in far fewer games tha JJ so far.


thomas12/15/2017 3:47:19 PM

NBA League Pass is having a free preview for the weekend's games starting tonight. This means you can watch any NBA game on TV or online through www.nba.com Cavanaugh and the Hawks play at Memphis tonight at 8. Unfortunately, the Hawks don't have a game tomorrow or Sunday, so tonight will be the only chance you get to see Cavanaugh unless you've already paid for NBA League Pass or live somewhere that televises Hawks games. 


dmvpiranha12/24/2017 8:10:54 AM

After a string of three games where Tyler was inactive (@ MEM, vs. MIA, vs. IND) he returned to action Friday in Oklahoma City. He scored 4 points (2-5 FG, 0-3 3-pt) in 19 minutes along with 2 rebounds, an assists, 2 steals, and 3 personal fouls. He also played in the back-to-back game against Dallas last night at home, scoring 7 points (3-5 FG, 1-3 3-pt) along with 5 rebounds and 2 personal fouls in 15 minutes of play. The Hawks coach seems to be rotating the bench every few games so I would expect Tyler's minutes to continue to be a bit sporadic. He has continued to be very effective offensively when he does play.

Nice pick-and-roll play: https://twitter.com/HawksOnFSSE/status/944737454665302016

Tough reverse layup: https://twitter.com/HawksOnFSSE/status/944735917377335296

Also, entering Friday's games, Tyler ranked 6th in rookie offensive +/-, 8th in rookie real +/-, 7th in rookie player efficiency, 5th in rookie win shares per 48 minutes, 5th in rookie box +/-, and 1st in rookie offensive box +/- (via Andy Bailey). I don't know what some of those categories mean, but it's cool to see Tyler continuing to hold his own in the NBA.



xac12/24/2017 9:53:51 AM

The rotation changed against Oklahoma when Dennis Schroder went out with an injury, and Belenelli moved from the SF to SG. This opened up a front court spot for Tyler. Schroder was back last night and Tyler continued his spot in the rotation, primarily subbing for Ersan Ilyasova. Normally, the slot would go to Luke Babbitt, but he has been struggling, and currently, he's the odd man out. Plumlee has been playing well at center, and John Collins (who has been playing great) subs for him at center. When DeWayne Dedmon comes back in the next few weeks, Collins will go to forward. Mike Muscala (PF) is rehabbing in the G League and could get called up at any time. Also, Bembry's minutes have diminished as his TOs have increased; very athletic, but plays out of control. All of this will have an effect on Tyler's playing time, but he seems always ready when called on.



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